iPhone launch 14th March on O2 Ireland...

cgarvey

talkingclock wrote: »

so if the pricing has nothing to do with the operator then it must be God-given.

I've made my point enough times now, and in as plain English as I can. I'm sorry that you don't understand.

horseflesh

horseflesh wrote: »

How does e-mail work on the iPhone?
I use eircom's mail, so when I "tap" a person's name from my contacts does it automatically go to eircom mail (presuming I set it up to do that somehow)?

Is it easy to copy over stuff like downloaded movie trailers from PC to the iPhone?

Yes, you're right, I really don't have a clue......:D

(thinking of buying one though)

Bueller?
Bueller...........

Sellphone

cgarvey wrote: »

I have no connection to any operator, other than being a customer of o2. I'm not defending our (Irish) high ARPUs/data charges, I'm simply pointing out that it has nothing to do with o2 or iPhone specifically and is a much broader problem.

At last, someone else who sees the big picture!:)

LFCFan

If you build it, they will come. This can be translated to 'If you charge it, the Irish will pay it'

py2006

richieg wrote: »

What are people's thoughts about not being able to send MMS messages on the iphone?
Is this not something that will put people off (more so in Europe than in the US)

I went into an O2 store yesterday to put my desposit down on an iPhone but I was astonished when I learnt that you can't send MMS directly to another phone and you can't send files etc via bluetooth to another phone. Also it needs to be charged every night!!

For the price all of the above should be standard without question. I am having seconds thoughts now but then again when I consider the amount of times I send MMS or photos/ringtones via bluetooth, well its minimal to say the least.

Its just seems bizarre that they would release a product without the basic functionality and charge as much as they are!

Anybody got any thoughts, is it putting you off?

thesteve

You can't be told you have to charge it every night. That totally depends on usage. I used one for 3 days without charging it...

For anyone who is going to use this as a corporate device, I'd hold off for the corp version just announced by Apple;

Enterprise features in iPhone 2.0 software beta.

Upcoming iPhone support for Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync and industry-standard corporate security standards will allow IT professionals to seamlessly integrate iPhone into their enterprise environments. New features include:

* Push email
* Push contacts
* Push calendar
* Global Address List

* Certificates and Identities
* WPA2/802.1x
* Enforced security policies

* More VPN protocols
* Device configuration
* Remote wipe

http://www.apple.com/iphone/enterprise/

faceman

thesteve wrote: »

For anyone who is going to use this as a corporate device, I'd hold off for the corp version just announced by Apple;

Enterprise features in iPhone 2.0 software beta.

Upcoming iPhone support for Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync and industry-standard corporate security standards will allow IT professionals to seamlessly integrate iPhone into their enterprise environments. New features include:

* Push email
* Push contacts
* Push calendar
* Global Address List

* Certificates and Identities
* WPA2/802.1x
* Enforced security policies

* More VPN protocols
* Device configuration
* Remote wipe

http://www.apple.com/iphone/enterprise/

Was just going to post something from FT.com about this too. I expect that next gen iphone for consumers will be short afterward.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/dd86e03c-ebe6-11dc-9493-0000779fd2ac.html?nclick_check=1

note the comment about third party software from June this year.

BostonB

Cool interface and gadget. But there better phones out there.

I'm waiting until theres decent 3rd party support, with more useful apps.

thesteve

Cool interface and gadget. But there better phones out there.

I'm waiting until theres decent 3rd party support, with more useful apps.

There is already, you just have to jailbreak it

LFCFan

When these apps are added and if it had a 5MP camera, 3G, better SMS/MMS support and GPS, it would be the best gadget ever!

Petands

GUIGuy wrote: »

I'm someone with both an iPhone and a 8Gb N95. I had the iPhone first and I've stopped using it. Yes it's sweet but its crap at being a PHONE. I know 3 people with one and all 3 of us were geting compalints from friends that we didn't reply to missed calls. What missed calls? Now I know that the iPhone has no visual voicemail here... I also know that you don't get a text to tell you there's a message left in your voicemail. So I regularly rang my voice mail to check. Nope! Quite often no record of a missed call. So I did experiments with my brother calling him. At least a 5th of the time Id get a dial tone but his phone did not ring. I never got a chance to leave a message. I've both Voda and O2 sims and he's an O2 only customer. This is not the network... this is the phone. So both of us us Nokias again. I prefer the experience on the iPhone, but it has nowhere near as much functionality and I sadly can't rely on it... pity!

I think we should learn from other peoples experiences.
Your pain is our gain, Nayyy iphone:mad: Yayyy N95 8GB:D
Get stuffed o2

Basq

Petands wrote: »

I think we should learn from other peoples experiences.
Your pain is our gain, Nayyy iphone:mad: Yayyy N95 8GB:D
Get stuffed o2

Christ.. any chance of bit more objective? That's one guy's experience! :rolleyes:

I've had my iPhone for a few weeks and make and recieve probably about 5 - 6 calls a day. Have never had anyone tell me they couldn't get through to me or there were problems.

Petands

basquille wrote: »

Christ.. any chance of bit more objective? That's one guy's experience! :rolleyes:

I've had my iPhone for a few weeks and make and recieve probably about 5 - 6 calls a day. Have never had anyone tell me they couldn't get through to me or there were problems.

Great, you have an iphone. What's it like to live with. If you for some unfortunate reason you had to replace it in the morning would you get another one?
Tell me more

Basq

Petands wrote: »

Great, you have an iphone. What's it like to live with.

Keeps leaving the toilet seat up... the bastard! :mad:

Petands wrote: »

If you for some unfortunate reason you had to replace it in the morning would you get another one?

Hell yeah I would. Best UI i've ever worked with. Much better e-mail client and browser than the ones I've used on most Nokia's. YouTube / Map's are a nice feature.

But there's people who'll always prefer the N95.. completely understandable but I'll never trust a Nokia phone again. I used to buy nothing but Nokia's but, as i said on a recent thread here, my last three Nokia phone's have been wrought with bugs, lock-up's, freezing. I wasn't the only one who thought it.. If i had to buy another phone make, I'd probably go with a Sony Ericsson - never a Nokia again though.

But different strokes for different folks!

horseflesh

basquille wrote: »

Keeps leaving the toilet seat up... the bastard! :mad:


Hell yeah I would. Best UI i've ever worked with. Much better e-mail client and browser than the ones I've used on most Nokia's. YouTube / Map's are a nice feature.

But there's people who'll always prefer the N95.. completely understandable but I'll never trust a Nokia phone again. I used to buy nothing but Nokia's but, as i said on a recent thread here, my last three Nokia phone's have been wrought with bugs, lock-up's, freezing. I wasn't the only one who thought it.. If i had to buy another phone make, I'd probably go with a Sony Ericsson - never a Nokia again though.

But different strokes for different folks!

Could you give a quick answer to post 274??

Basq

horseflesh wrote: »

How does e-mail work on the iPhone?
I use eircom's mail, so when I "tap" a person's name from my contacts does it automatically go to eircom mail (presuming I set it up to do that somehow)?

You click on 'Contacts' and it gives you all your contacts. Click on one and it'll show you any information you've recorded for them (phone number, birthday, e-mail addresses, postal addresses etc).

This is very powerful as:

(a) You can click on the phone number to phone them, or send them a text.
(b) The postal address can be used to show them in Google Maps
(c) It'll remind you on birthdays etc.
(d) Click on an e-mail address and it'll automatically create a new e-mail addressed to them.

Regards showing your e-mail, you can set it up on your phone as either POP3 or IMAP (if supported). If POP3, you e-mail will all be downloaded onto the iPhone. If IMAP, only headers will be downloaded and you click on the e-mail to get the rest of the message.

horseflesh wrote: »

Is it easy to copy over stuff like downloaded movie trailers from PC to the iPhone?

Yeah, only certain video formats are supported right now (MP4 etc) - similar to the iPod video but Apple announced new formats in video playback in the revised firmware in July.

MiloFoxburr

basquille wrote: »

Meh.. never used to send MMS anyways. Can send a photo in an e-mail.. that's all I need!

PS - there's a 3rd party app called SwirlyMMS which allows you to send MMS on the iPhone but recieving them is still not possible.

SwirlyMMS has had the ability to send and receive MMS's for the past few days now its buggy but it works

Basq

MiloFoxburr wrote: »

SwirlyMMS has had the ability to send and receive MMS's for the past few days now its buggy but it works

Ahhh.. cheers for that.

Never even downloaded it.. i'm of the opinion that only proud new parents and teenagers use MMS!

MiloFoxburr

basquille wrote: »

Ahhh.. cheers for that.

Never even downloaded it.. i'm of the opinion that only proud new parents and teenagers use MMS!

I don't use it either think in all the time I've had an MMS phone I've gotten one picture. I do like to keep up to date with iPhone applications though.

who is this

cgarvey wrote: »

Yes it'd be great, but just because England has it doesn't translate to a valid expectation in the Irish market.

Actually that does translate to a valid expectation for it here. The UK (not England) were not revolutionary in offering unlimited data. AT&T, Orange France, and T-Mobile Deutschland also offer unlimited data. That's every market so far has unlimited data, so why shouldn't we get that too?

Gillo

Looking at the UK market, the average data usage was is just under 400 Meg's per month (it think the exact figure was either 389 or 394), so while there is a 1GB allowance I'd be very surprised when someone exceeded it.

Having had an iphone to play with all week, I really miss it already even though I only gave it back four hours ago.

One thing I really liked was the emails displayed much better than on a Blackberry.

One or two minor drawbacks but all in all, I'd have very little hassle in recommending it.

matchthis

Gillo wrote: »

Looking at the UK market, the average data usage was is just under 400 Meg's per month (it think the exact figure was either 389 or 394), so while there is a 1GB allowance I'd be very surprised when someone exceeded it.

Mad, i was in a room today with other people and heard the exact same thing. Were you their....

chrislad

I said that pages ago!!!

matchthis

It's a small world after allllllllllll:D

horseflesh

basquille wrote: »

You click on 'Contacts' and it gives you all your contacts. Click on one and it'll show you any information you've recorded for them (phone number, birthday, e-mail addresses, postal addresses etc).

This is very powerful as:

(a) You can click on the phone number to phone them, or send them a text.
(b) The postal address can be used to show them in Google Maps
(c) It'll remind you on birthdays etc.
(d) Click on an e-mail address and it'll automatically create a new e-mail addressed to them.

Regards showing your e-mail, you can set it up on your phone as either POP3 or IMAP (if supported). If POP3, you e-mail will all be downloaded onto the iPhone. If IMAP, only headers will be downloaded and you click on the e-mail to get the rest of the message.


Yeah, only certain video formats are supported right now (MP4 etc) - similar to the iPod video but Apple announced new formats in video playback in the revised firmware in July.

Thanks.
Presumably it plays .avi files no problem?

This MMS business (not that I'd use it much).......does the phone need to be "jailbroken" to install something like SwirlyMMS (and other 3rd parts apps) ??

* I actually haven't a clue what jailbreaking is :D

BostonB

How about a list of what it doesn't do.

Basq

horseflesh wrote: »

Presumably it plays .avi files no problem?

No, it doesn't. Not without being converted to MP4 first using applications like iSquint or Videoara.

There's a good chance we'll get DivX / XviD (AVI) playback in the 2.0 firmware in June.

horseflesh wrote: »

This MMS business (not that I'd use it much).......does the phone need to be "jailbroken" to install something like SwirlyMMS (and other 3rd parts apps) ??

* I actually haven't a clue what jailbreaking is :D

Yep, it needs to be jailbroken to install 3rd party apps using an application (Installer.app). Jailbreaking opens up your iPhone to be accessed by external applications and allows you to access your iPhone's system etc. To be perfectly honest, you'd be at a loss without jailbreaking.

BostonB wrote: »

How about a list of what it doesn't do.

With or without jailbreaking:

• Songs as Ringtones (does with jailbreaking)
• Games (does with jailbreaking)
• Any flash support
• Instant Messaging (does with jailbreaking)
• MMS (does with jailbreaking)
• Video recording (does with jailbreaking)
• Voice recognition or voice dialing (does with jailbreaking)
• Hardware-only Bluetooth support
• 3G (EV-DO/HSDPA)
• GPS (an external device can now be bought for this, and a few 3rd party apps are available)
• Expandable Storage (does with jailbreaking)

So as you can see, jailbreaking does unlock a lot of these missing features.

BostonB

Thanks for that, that really shows whats what re: jailbreaking.

horseflesh

basquille wrote: »

No, it doesn't. Not without being converted to MP4 first using applications like iSquint or Videoara.

There's a good chance we'll get DivX / XviD (AVI) playback in the 2.0 firmware in June.


Yep, it needs to be jailbroken to install 3rd party apps using an application (Installer.app). Jailbreaking opens up your iPhone to be accessed by external applications and allows you to access your iPhone's system etc. To be perfectly honest, you'd be at a loss without jailbreaking.


With or without jailbreaking:

• Songs as Ringtones (does with jailbreaking)
• Games (does with jailbreaking)
• Any flash support
• Instant Messaging (does with jailbreaking)
• MMS (does with jailbreaking)
• Video recording (does with jailbreaking)
• Voice recognition or voice dialing (does with jailbreaking)
• Hardware-only Bluetooth support
• 3G (EV-DO/HSDPA)
• GPS (an external device can now be bought for this, and a few 3rd party apps are available)
• Expandable Storage (does with jailbreaking)

So as you can see, jailbreaking does unlock a lot of these missing features.

Thanks again.
Are there big risks involved with jailbreaking though? Would it void any Apple/O2 warranties? Could it brick the phone?

Basq

horseflesh wrote: »

Thanks again.
Are there big risks involved with jailbreaking though? Would it void any Apple/O2 warranties? Could it brick the phone?

Well.. i've never heard of anyone bricking their phone by jailbreaking. Practically anything you do on the iPhone - if it goes wrong, 99.5% of problems can be fixed by a restore to a previous firmware in iTunes.

It does void the warranty though.