[Eircom & Resellers..BT, UTV etc] ADSL Speed upgrade to 8MB discussion...ongoing

AlmightyCushion · 31-01-2008 8:13pm

kaizersoze wrote: »

I can't make head nor tail of those calculations but according to the press release:

I figured it out, it actually means lower wholesale prices (the price that someone reselling the product has to pay eircom).

The Real B-man · 31-01-2008 8:22pm

Not many people will be able to get the Higher speeds unless eircom are rolling out adsl2+?

Spear · 31-01-2008 8:24pm

The Real B-man wrote: »

Not many people will be able to get the Higher speeds unless eircom are rolling out adsl2+?

Eircom's ADSL2+ rollout is the basis of all this.

Alun · 31-01-2008 8:40pm

Spear wrote: »

Eircom's ADSL2+ rollout is the basis of all this.

Will we need ADSL2+ modems to avail of these higher speeds then? I've still got the ZyXel modem I got when I first signed up years ago, before they were giving away the current Netopia wireless routers.

circos · 31-01-2008 8:47pm

i have the original netopia modem they used ....might ask them for a new one for a laugh lol see if i can get something for nothing off eircom...not bloody likely

yoyo · 31-01-2008 8:48pm

circos wrote: »

i have the original netopia modem they used ....might ask them for a new one for a laugh lol see if i can get something for nothing off eircom...not bloody likely

LOL. Expect to pay €90 for the new one! Power Surge killed my older netopia silver box, had to buy a new one! Is that ZyXel the stingray greeny modem, old skool stuff

. Only supports USB iirc lol, if so think you'd also need a upgrade

Nick

Spear · 31-01-2008 8:53pm

Alun wrote: »

Will we need ADSL2+ modems to avail of these higher speeds then? I've still got the ZyXel modem I got when I first signed up years ago, before they were giving away the current Netopia wireless routers.

Yes you will need one, but all the Eircom modems for the last few years have included ADSL2+ support anyway. Only the older ones will need swapping.

circos · 31-01-2008 9:26pm

Spear wrote: »

Yes you will need one, but all the Eircom modems for the last few years have included ADSL2+ support anyway. Only the older ones will need swapping.

which was the first one to support adsl2?

Spear · 31-01-2008 9:29pm

circos wrote: »

which was the first one to support adsl2?

The Netopia 2247 does at least. What model Zyxel do you have?

circos · 31-01-2008 9:35pm

i have netopia.......cant think of the model number think its a 3300 series....

oh im not at home right now thats why i cant check the model number

kaizersoze · 31-01-2008 10:19pm

circos wrote: »

i have netopia.......cant think of the model number think its a 3300 series....

oh im not at home right now thats why i cant check the model number

It's most likely the 3341 (USB/Ethernet) which is not adsl2+ compliant.

There is a firmware update on the Netopia website but it doesn't say what changes it makes to the modem. It may make it adsl2+ ready.
http://www.netopia.com/support/hardware/firmware/download_pages/jump_3341ent.html

http://www.netopia.com/equipment/products/3000/3300_bus_ds.pdf

http://www.netopia.com/support/hardware/3341ent.html

Praetorian · 31-01-2008 10:47pm

June for the speed increase on the 3m/bit packages, is that right! It's a long time away

1huge1 · 31-01-2008 10:48pm

this is definitely some of the biggest speed increases in ireland since digiweb metro came out 2 years ago

Skyuser · 31-01-2008 11:26pm

If the new 3Meg line is gonna be 7.6Meg then every exchange will have to be upgraded. How will that be done by June?

pro_gnostic_8 · 31-01-2008 11:34pm

Great news indeed for everyone WITH Broadband already; I'm pleased for all yiz....... genuinely I am!

But, not putting a damper on things or anything, this does increase yet further the discrepancy between the "Haves" and the "Have-Nots". It is dispiriting and soul-destroying for those still condemned to the hell of dial-up to realise that the chasm in speed difference is to be further increased.

AlmightyCushion · 31-01-2008 11:38pm

I think adsl2 increases the distance from the exchange in which you can get broadband. So people who were to far from the exchange on adsl may be able to get broadband now. People on a non-broadband enabled exchange are still getting screwed over, though.

yoyo · 31-01-2008 11:41pm

Skyuser wrote: »

If the new 3Meg line is gonna be 7.6Meg then every exchange will have to be upgraded. How will that be done by June?

Eircom were fast with their last "upgrades" belive it or not, this one will probably require more work though

Nick

Sqaull20 · 31-01-2008 11:43pm

Off topic >

Im with bt, 3mb connection.If I change back to eircom will I be able to avail of these new speeds or is it just for current customers....

Any news of bt following suit?

Im in newcastle west btw....

The Real B-man · 31-01-2008 11:44pm

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

I think adsl2 increases the distance from the exchange in which you can get broadband. So people who were to far from the exchange on adsl may be able to get broadband now. People on a non-broadband enabled exchange are still getting screwed over, though.

Exactly

AlmightyCushion · 31-01-2008 11:49pm

yoyo wrote: »

Eircom were fast with their last "upgrades" belive it or not, this one will probably require more work though

Nick

The last upgrade was different though. This requires an upgrade at the exchanges whereas the last upgrade didn't.

Sqaull20 wrote: »

Off topic >

Im with bt, 3mb connection.If I change back to eircom will I be able to avail of these new speeds or is it just for current customers....

Any news of bt following suit?

Im in newcastle west btw....

Bt resell eircoms broadband so they along with all other bitstream resellers will be offering these speeds too.

Bodan · 31-01-2008 11:53pm

For the purposed speed increases, Eircom does not need to upgrade to Adsl 2 for the majority of customers. Shamelessly taken from Wiki

Hopefully we will be upgraded soon.

AlmightyCushion · 31-01-2008 11:59pm

Bodan wrote: »

For the purposed speed increases, Eircom does not need to upgrade to Adsl 2 for the majority of customers. Shamelessly taken from Wiki

Hopefully we will be upgraded soon.

I'm pretty sure that the max for adsl is 8Mbps and for that you'd have to be right next to the exchange to get. The further you go from the exchange the lower the max speed you'll be able to get. I'd say the 7Mbps and above packages will be on adsl2.

Praetorian · 01-02-2008 12:02am

Bodan wrote: »

For the purposed speed increases, Eircom does not need to upgrade to Adsl 2 for the majority of customers. Shamelessly taken from Wiki

Hopefully we will be upgraded soon.

Technically you are correct, but I have it on good authority now that they are doing the upgrades with ADSL2+ technology accross the country. In the majority of cases the line quality isn't sufficient for these upgrades via adsl1 tech. We have a lot of very old copper. Hope my sources aren't wrong

kaizersoze · 01-02-2008 12:18am

Skyuser wrote: »

If the new 3Meg line is gonna be 7.6Meg then every exchange will have to be upgraded. How will that be done by June?

This wasn't just decided today. The upgrade work has been going on for a couple of months already. In the majority of exchanges, the upgrade to adsl2+ only requires a firmware upgrade to existing equipment rather than replacement.

Bodan · 01-02-2008 12:18am

I suspect both of you are right. If the price changes in March, supposedly the speed increases will begin around then! What’s the point in making a speed increase announcement 5 months ahead of schedule if not only to torture us!!

Iago · 01-02-2008 12:25am

Praetorian wrote: »

Technically you are correct, but I have it on good authority now that they are doing the upgrades with ADSL2+ technology accross the country. In the majority of cases the line quality isn't sufficient for these upgrades via adsl1 tech. We have a lot of very old copper. Hope my sources aren't wrong

this won't change with adsl2+, the new adsl2+ platform will upgrade the network connections, it won't change anything on the line to your home. If the copper quality is bad adsl2+ is not going to resolve that for you.

the limitation of adsl1 is a maximum downstream of 8Mbps as mentioned earlier in the thread, if you can get that speed on your line it doesn't matter whether it's on the adsl1 or adsl2+ equipment. So my guess is that adsl2+ will be for the speeds above 8Mbps, and anything from 8Mbps down will stay on the existing platforms.

AlmightyCushion · 01-02-2008 12:29am

Iago wrote: »

this won't change with adsl2+, the new adsl2+ platform will upgrade the network connections, it won't change anything on the line to your home. If the copper quality is bad adsl2+ is not going to resolve that for you.

the limitation of adsl1 is a maximum downstream of 8Mbps as mentioned earlier in the thread, if you can get that speed on your line it doesn't matter whether it's on the adsl1 or adsl2+ equipment. So my guess is that adsl2+ will be for the speeds above 8Mbps, and anything from 8Mbps down will stay on the existing platforms.

Yes but because the line is using adsl2 it will be able to get higher speeds. For example my line is capable of around 4Mbps on adsl, on adsl2 it's capable of around 14Mbps.

Praetorian · 01-02-2008 12:43am

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Yes but because the line is using adsl2 it will be able to get higher speeds. For example my line is capable of around 4Mbps on adsl, on adsl2 it's capable of around 14Mbps.

Exactly

Iago · 01-02-2008 12:45am

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Yes but because the line is using adsl2 it will be able to get higher speeds. For example my line is capable of around 4Mbps on adsl, on adsl2 it's capable of around 14Mbps.

That's not completely true, there are a number of factors that dictate what speed your line is capable of.

It's entirely possible that if your line is capable of around 4Mbps on adsl, it will only be capable of around 4Mbps on adsl2+ as well.

However if your line was capable of receiving 14Mbps you would only ever get a maximum of 8Mbps on an adsl1 service, whereas with adsl2+ you could get the full 14Mbps.

Peanut · 01-02-2008 12:55am

Bodan wrote: »

I suspect both of you are right. If the price changes in March, supposedly the speed increases will begin around then! What’s the point in making a speed increase announcement 5 months ahead of schedule if not only to torture us!!

Yep it sounds like they will be rolled out during the next 4 weeks, if the prices change from the start of March, you would expect that it would be mostly done by then.

Also like you say, publicly announcing an upgrade and then not implementing it quickly would annoy the punters quite a bit.

[Eircom & Resellers..BT, UTV etc] ADSL Speed upgrade to 8MB discussion...ongoing

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