Downloading Speed checks

AdrianII

Saw a news piece on tv3 last night about, garmin nuvi's being able to download speed camera checkpoints off the internet. Are these free, any info would be great

sharkman

IrishSpeedTraps

ednwireland

€35 per year only available for garmin at the mo

sharkman

Ther are tools on the net which will convert the Garmin files to other formats ..

Look here : http://tomtom.gps-data-team.com/

Krusty_Clown

My list is free... Just pm me your e-mail address and I'll send it to you..
You can see it here.

Doesn't include any mobile camera locations, just fixed cameras and raised Garda platforms, but it's free... and if I'm feeling generous, I'll even convert it to another format for ya!

CrowdedHouse

ednwireland wrote: »

€35 per year only available for garmin at the mo

So they're flogging the information that visitors to the site gave for free...FFS

Krusty_Clown

Well, it's a business model that has worked in the past in other countries. They have gone to a lot of trouble, have a content rich website, and do promise regular updates, so on that basis (and assuming we ever get our promised additional speed cameras) it could well be worth the 35 euro per year..

I just happen to prefer to the sharing/open-source philosophy. Having said that, I've handed out my locations file to hundreds of e-mail addresses so far, and have never received a single location from anyone in return. At least their concept may encourage more contributions from the public (in order to avail of a free subscription for a year).

Still don't know how you can copyright a longitude and latitude though!

sharkman

And as the new speed cameras come online , it is possible that we could have a thread here to share information about their whereabouts !

Krusty_Clown

sharkman wrote: »

And as the new speed cameras come online , it is possible that we could have a thread here to share information about their whereabouts !

Cracking idea..

Sevenie

Good Stuff Krusty, nice to see someone going to a bit a trouble for no return. But I must say I live in the South East and have yet to see a Fixed Speed Camera, loads of cops in their cars but no permanant ones.

Might get a copy for my Garmin from you if you'd be so kind.

Thanks

Krusty_Clown

Sevenie wrote: »

Good Stuff Krusty, nice to see someone going to a bit a trouble for no return. But I must say I live in the South East and have yet to see a Fixed Speed Camera, loads of cops in their cars but no permanant ones.

Might get a copy for my Garmin from you if you'd be so kind.

Thanks

Sure. Just pm me your e-mail address. ...and it's no trouble. I've collected them for personal use. So an e-mail here or there isn't any bother..

Do you really want more fixed cameras in the South East?
You should start a petition!

Sevenie

Ha Ha, God no the last thing I want is more. Thanks I'll pass on my email.

Lex Luthor

Sharkman, the link to that file on filefactory you sent me a while ago has discontinued but I have it on my laptop, so if anyone is looking for one for TomTom, I can send it out by email, just PM me your email. TT users only please.

on a side note, did anyone hear Ciaran from Irishspeedtraps.com on Matt Cooper last week? I thought he did well

Krusty_Clown

Didn't catch it. Anyone have a link?

Did they happen to cover the subject of the legality of any device that indicates the existence of...<snip>...apparatus used to...<snip> <detect speed>?

311

I thought the speed checking was being privatised in the new year ,surely this will make the current speed camera locations obsolete ?

sharkman

Yes, but part of the tender stated that all locations must be highly visible and be published .

Krusty_Clown

_Brian_ wrote: »

I thought the speed checking was being privatised in the new year ,surely this will make the current speed camera locations obsolete ?

Sure. Then we scrap it all and start over! Think how much fun it will be! Like geo-caching, only with speed cameras... I can't wait.

Hal1

Thats awesome fair play, now only if I had a GPS

Neil_Sedaka

Thanks for the info Krusty, much appreciated

sharkman

Costs shoot up for Govt's speed-cameras plan21/12/2007 - 07:49:52

The Government's plan to outsource speed cameras has reportedly run into more difficulty.

Reports this morning say the cost of the project is much more that the original €25m estimate made last March.

The contract went to tender late last year and six bidders were shortlisted, but five years after the Government first announced plans to privatise speed cameras, the process still has not been completed.

Six hundred accident blackspots will be targeted once the project is implemented.

© Thomas Crosbie Media 2007

Lex Luthor

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

Didn't catch it. Anyone have a link?

Did they happen to cover the subject of the legality of any device that indicates the existence of...<snip>...apparatus used to...<snip> <detect speed>?

the podcast link is gone....

the question was asked about its legaility but there is nothing wrong with it. All it is, is a sophisticated map of telling you where they are

Krusty_Clown

Lex Luthor wrote: »

the podcast link is gone....
the question was asked about its legaility but there is nothing wrong with it. All it is, is a sophisticated map of telling you where they are

I'm well aware of of what it is! What I'm specifically wondering about is the legislation that suggests that any device that indicates the location of a speed measuring device is illegal.
I'm guessing that it has never been challenged in the courts. I just wondered if the IrishSpeedTraps guys (who post here occasionally) had done any research or had an opinion.

Alun

There was a thread here not too long ago (can't find it for the life of me) on that very point, and someone, who I believe had looked into importing something like the RoadAngel into Ireland, was trying to claim that devices that indicated the position of speed traps, as opposed to detecting their signals was "indicating the existence of ..." or whatever wishy-washy terminology was used in the legislation. I reckon that's complete bullsh!t myself, and indeed, the head of the Traffic Corps who was on the radio with the guy from IrishSpeedTraps never mentioned anything about it being illegal. My argument was that if these devices were illegal, then markings on a paper map would be illegal too, which would be ludicrous.

I'd have imagined also that the IrishSpeedTraps people would have done their research first too ... any comment there IrishSpeedTraps ???

Lex Luthor

Alun wrote: »

My argument was that if these devices were illegal, then markings on a paper map would be illegal too, which would be ludicrous.

exactly Alun....why would they have a problem with people obeying the speed limits

mondeo

I wanted to buy them downloads for 35e but I'm abit paranoid about it....Incase some garda trys to pin me for having them.... I would like to see
some law enforcement person say their legit before I buy them otherwise I'll wait around and see if anyone else gets done for having them on their satnav.

Timothy

Krusty_Clown

Lex Luthor wrote: »

exactly Alun....why would they have a problem with people obeying the speed limits

That's not really the point. The point is that the Road Traffic Act suggests that they might be illegal. Don't get me wrong, I'm not bothered by the whole thing. I've collected these locations myself, and will proudly store and use them on my GPS receiver and send them to anyone via e-mail.. I'm just curious if the IrishSpeedTraps guys have done their homework, given that they're selling the data for 35 quid a year.

Here's that thread Alun.

Alun

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

Here's that thread Alun.

That's the one, thanks!

As I see it, it all still hinges on the exact legal interpretation of ambiguous words and phrases like "device" and "indicates the presence of".

Lex Luthor

well, after today its going to be very much impossible to police this seeing as nearly every man in the country probably got a sat nav for xmas.

they can't stop everyone and check their sat navs. They are not an illegal device to have in the car, so what are they gonna do?

If you need to you can always delete the POI category instantly from teh unit if thats what you want to do...

I.S.T.

Hi Lads,

Regarding the legality of our download we don't believe that it is illegal. We are not detecting the locations of speed cameras, we are notifing you of the most frequent locations where the Guards set up. We are not notifing you in real time, we are showing where the locations are based on historical data. All of this is a red herring anyway as the Guards, National Safety Council and Government said they will be notifing drivers of where the 600 new cameras are themselves. We have been on the radio with Guards who said they have no problem with our download. If there was a problem with legality then I think the the head of Garda Traffic Corps would have raised it when he was on Morning Ireland with us.

Ciarán

I.S.T.

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

Didn't catch it. Anyone have a link?

Did they happen to cover the subject of the legality of any device that indicates the existence of...<snip>...apparatus used to...<snip> <detect speed>?

Lex Luthor wrote: »

the podcast link is gone....

the question was asked about its legaility but there is nothing wrong with it. All it is, is a sophisticated map of telling you where they are

You can get the interview on our site irishspeedtraps.com

Lex Luthor

Ciaran, do you think you'll be making the download available for TomTom's at any stage? I've heard of some programs that can convert the file types for various platforms, so I might look into that.

I currently have a POI category that has all the current locations for the TT, but I'll be needing to get the new updated file when these new privately operated cameras come into operation

I.S.T.

Lex Luthor wrote: »

Ciaran, do you think you'll be making the download available for TomTom's at any stage? I've heard of some programs that can convert the file types for various platforms, so I might look into that.

I currently have a POI category that has all the current locations for the TT, but I'll be needing to get the new updated file when these new privately operated cameras come into operation

We'll be doing a download for TomTom early next year.

Sully

IrishSpeedTraps wrote: »

We'll be doing a download for TomTom early next year.

You should consider doing a discount for boardsies, considering a large majority of Boards users gave you that information for free - the least you could do is do some sort of discount saying "Thanks". I certainly didn't think it would be sold on. *shrrugs*

I.S.T.

Sully wrote: »

You should consider doing a discount for boardsies, considering a large majority of Boards users gave you that information for free - the least you could do is do some sort of discount saying "Thanks". I certainly didn't think it would be sold on. *shrrugs*

We went one better than that and give a free subscription to anyone who submitted a location.

Krusty_Clown

IrishSpeedTraps wrote: »

We went one better than that and give a free subscription to anyone who submitted a location.

I didn't get one yet?!

I.S.T.

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

I didn't get one yet?!

There will be an email going out next week telling you what to do.

Sully

IrishSpeedTraps wrote: »

We went one better than that and give a free subscription to anyone who submitted a location.

Well, I like that plan. It does give back to those who gave to you. Fair play.

mondeo

I got an email telling me about a free subscription, have been waiting for the link to it though:cool:

Sully

mondeo wrote: »

I got an email telling me about a free subscription, have been waiting for the link to it though:cool:

Guess mine got lost in the mail? :P

I.S.T.

mondeo wrote: »

I got an email telling me about a free subscription, have been waiting for the link to it though:cool:

You'll get an email telling you what to do next week once I've eaten and digested all the turkey sambos!

mondeo

IrishSpeedTraps wrote: »

You'll get an email telling you what to do next week once I've eaten and digested all the turkey sambos!

Groovy:cool:

Nephew

Has anyone else had trouble creating an account on irishspeedtraps.com?

I entered my details in the new user part of the page, the page refreshes and I get the following error 'Invalid email or password combination, please try again' under the existing user section.

I.S.T.

Nephew wrote: »

Has anyone else had trouble creating an account on irishspeedtraps.com?

I entered my details in the new user part of the page, the page refreshes and I get the following error 'Invalid email or password combination, please try again' under the existing user section.

Hi,

It looks like you are entering your details in the "Existing User" section. You need to enter them in the "New User" for creating a new account.

I.S.T.

As per a previous posters suggestion we now have a €10 discount for boards.ie users. Details here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055231678

coylemj

Can I just get this straight - a Garda pulls over into a farm entrance in August 2007, runs a speed trap for 45 minutes, someone passing by notices, tells irishspeedraps.com and then they charge us for a database with this and other waypoints marked. The vast majority of waypoints marked on their map are listed as being the site of a mobile speed trap months ago, surely the advice should be for people to just observe the speed limit rather than have their Garmin unit beeping at them constantly about nonexistent speed traps all the way from Dublin to Cork based on out of date information?

What about the 'static' Gatso camera in Sligo reported by somone last October? According to another contributor last December it was erected by a contractor as part of a roadworks project, is obviously a dummy and is pointing into a field, all this is on the irishspeedtraps.com web site under 'sighting history' yet they still have it marked as a static camera and are charging people for the 'information'.

Krusty_Clown

coylemj wrote: »

...

I'm not affiliated with IrishSpeedTraps in any way (and in fact give out my own list of Gardai cameras and raised platforms for free to anyone who wants it). If you don't like their service, why don't you not subscribe to it? It's a commercial offering, and people have the choice to either buy it or walk away.

I've tried their product and think it's pretty good in terms of value add and functionality (correct speeds for the road, appropriate warning distances, updates every other week, and the speed camera locations are also directional (I think?) but don't think I'll subscribe as I have my own list, and I don't think there are enough fixed speed cameras in Ireland to warrant a subscription (yet).

When my Garmin beeps, I glance at it briefly to ensure that my speed has not crept just over the speed limit (I do like to drive right up to the upper limit, if the conditions are suitable).

Don't forget that speed traps are supposed to be visual deterrents, rather than hidden. They are supposed to slow drivers down in targeted areas. Sadly the reality is often quite different.

Hal1

If Mr Byrne's get his funding they will be deployed on every motorway / primary road. How's that site going to keep up with them then if there mobile gatzo's / cams?

TJJP

Alun wrote: »

That's the one, thanks!

As I see it, it all still hinges on the exact legal interpretation of ambiguous words and phrases like "device" and "indicates the presence of".

One here too:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055222200

Krusty_Clown

Hal1 wrote: »

If Mr Byrne's get his funding they will be deployed on every motorway / primary road. How's that site going to keep up with them then if there mobile gatzo's / cams?

I guess that's where their bread and butter will have to come from.. If they can keep up, they'll get a lot more subscribers. If they can't they'll lose them all.

I'd imagine a lot of people will be willing to identify the location of a camera (or mobile location) in order to get a free subscription for a year. I did.

Deadlobster

Can anyone tell me whether database will work with any sat nav. Thinking of getting a nuvi 200w or maybe 250, or must I purchase a 710 or some other with camera alerts preloaded?

coylemj

If it's a POI (Points of Interest) database it will work with any Garmin unit, most subscrption services for this data offer a Garmin version of the file. You will need to download the POI Loader s/w from the Garmin website, it's free....

http://www8.garmin.com/products/poiloader/