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Irish Women; Gods Gift to the Earth

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    #92
    Hellm0
    Registered Users Posts: 1,028 ✭✭✭Hellm0


    SimpleSam06 wrote: »
    Yeah you did. Women who are sluts dress "disrespectfully", as is shown below. If you don't dress "respectfully", you are obviously a self hating beast and want to get hassled, since you have no self respect, obviously. :rolleyes: No good trying to backtrack at this stage of the game, baby.




    Oh its extremely simple. I'd go so far as to say its entirely in the vegetative state, in fact. I'll try to go to that level though, if only to make the point that just because your horny sauced up brain sees a leg and thinks "WANT" doesn't mean shes a slut.


    Yup, no surprises here.

    Such a high horse. Honestly have you acually read my posts or are you just stuck on repeat?


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    #93
    Phil01
    Closed Accounts Posts: 206 ✭✭Phil01


    LadyJ wrote: »
    Even the times when it has seemed like the guy chatting me up is nice and just wants company, it has always turned out that he wants sex. I have never been approached on a night out by a guy who wanted to be friends.

    I guess that maybe some irish guys are setting the standards for irish women but the women aren't setting there own standards for the guys


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    #94
    Rob_l
    Registered Users Posts: 2,905 ✭✭✭Rob_l


    LadyJ wrote: »
    Even the times when it has seemed like the guy chatting me up is nice and just wants company, it has always turned out that he wants sex. I have never been approached on a night out by a guy who wanted to be friends.

    I have never been approached by a girl who wanted to be friends


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    #95
    LadyJ
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,122 ✭✭✭LadyJ


    Phil01 wrote: »
    I guess that maybe some irish guys are setting the standards for irish women but the women aren't setting there own standards for the guys
    How do you mean? That comment confuses me.


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    #96
    Zombrex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Hellm0 wrote: »
    What research is this then? Last I heard we have communication(and social interaction) to thank for our big brains.
    http://faculty.ed.uiuc.edu/g-cziko/wm/05.html

    You seem to be having a really hard time grasping the difference between:

    - communication between people who both desire to communicate

    - communication between people where one person doesn't desire to communicate.

    I'm not sure why exactly. As I said it is a very common human behavioral trait that people will get annoyed (and sometimes aggressive) if they are required to talk to someone they do not want to talk to. The longer the communication continues the more annoyed they will get. This has been studied many many times.
    Hellm0 wrote: »
    My point was more that the majority of people enjoy human interaction and dont shun/despise being communicated with in the same manner you seem to.

    Everyone one enjoys talking to people they want to talk to

    No one enjoys talking to people they don't want to talk to

    If you don't believe me you can run this little experiment. The next time you are on the bus get slightly drunk and start talking to random people, and record (if you can) how many people are actually enjoying talking with you :rolleyes:


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    #97
    LadyJ
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    Rob_l wrote: »
    I have never been approached by a girl who wanted to be friends


    That because I don't think girls walk up to guys in clubs asking to be mates! I know I don't.


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    #98
    SimpleSam06
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,048 ✭✭✭SimpleSam06


    Hellm0 wrote: »
    Such a high horse. Honestly have you acually read my posts or are you just stuck on repeat?
    Have you got anything interesting to add or are you just going to carry on blathering about your horse fetish?


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    #99
    Rob_l
    Registered Users Posts: 2,905 ✭✭✭Rob_l


    LadyJ wrote: »
    That because I don't think girls walk up to guys in clubs asking to be mates! I know I don't.



    they dont:eek:
    So what do they expect?


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    #100
    LadyJ
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,122 ✭✭✭LadyJ


    Rob_l wrote: »
    they dont:eek:
    So what do they expect?

    Have you read my posts?

    I'm agreeing with you!:rolleyes:


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    #101
    Zombrex
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    Phil01 wrote: »
    I guess that maybe some irish guys are setting the standards for irish women but the women aren't setting there own standards for the guys

    Do you honestly think they care?

    I've never met an Irish woman who complained that she didn't get hit on enough by random strangers ...


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    #102
    Seraphina
    Registered Users Posts: 2,875 ✭✭✭Seraphina


    Phil01 wrote: »
    Ok, i dont know how that must like, but i do understand, but u must be able to tell the difference between a guy who is p*ss drunk and out for a shag and a guy who is sober and want's to talk with you.

    ok i'm a reasonable looking girl, so there's no requirement for beer goggles to have a guy come on to me.
    and you know what, in 23 years i dont think i have EVER had a single guy approach me who wasn't pissed. ok, wait there was ONE (he was a non drinker)

    ok, so a couple of them i probably chatted too, and politely declined. most of them made some kind of lecherous comment before the conversation really started properly, couldn't actually HOLD a conversation because they were too drunk, or thought me talking to them briefly was an indication that i wanted them to start feeling me up. some of them were (not to be rude, but it was pretty obvious) fishing waaaaaayy out of their league. like these guys were OLD. and most of them just COULD NOT TAKE A HINT. so i was rude.

    this has nothing to do with me being arrogant or stuck up my own ass. i just get sick of drunken retards thinking they're gods gift to women and i OWE them a snog/drink/shag whatever they're looking for.


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    #103
    Rob_l
    Registered Users Posts: 2,905 ✭✭✭Rob_l


    LadyJ wrote: »
    Have you read my posts?

    I'm agreeing with you!:rolleyes:

    I'll see your eyes and raise you:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

    you cant be agreeing with me I have no point or purpose in this thread I just think its funny reading.


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    #104
    Hellm0
    Registered Users Posts: 1,028 ✭✭✭Hellm0


    Wicknight wrote: »
    You seem to be having a really hard time grasping the difference between:

    - communication between people who both desire to communicate

    - communication between people where one person doesn't desire to communicate.
    No I get the implication but the point I'm driving at is quite simply that people DO like to communicate, even on occasion with *gasp* strangers! . You have been saying people DONT 100% of the time. This is not true.

    Wicknight wrote: »
    I'm not sure why exactly. As I said it is a very common human behavioral trait that people will get annoyed (and sometimes aggressive) if they are required to talk to someone they do not want to talk to. The longer the communication continues the more annoyed they will get. This has been studied many many times.
    There are plenty of people I dont want to talk to. That's not the point. I dont have a rule in my head saying "I dont want to talk to you if I dont know you".
    Wicknight wrote: »
    Everyone one enjoys talking to people they want to talk to
    Indeed, but are you relating this strictly with people you know already?
    If you don't believe me you can run this little experiment. The next time you are on the bus get slightly drunk and start talking to random people, and record (if you can) how many people are actually enjoying talking with you :rolleyes:

    I'd rather not. Why do you keep bringing the bus into this? The social context of the bus is nothing like that of a pub/nightclub. People on the bus or in the cinema have a reason for being there which is emphatically NOT to socialise. Whilst on the bus I'm usually tired and just want to get home, hence why I DONT socialise on the bus. When I go out to a social enviroment I expect to talk to people who I know and, yes, if the mood strikes me, to people I dont!


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    #105
    Dinxminx
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    Wicknight wrote: »
    Imagine if every time you got on a bus someone beside you started talking to you. You might be polite the first time. You might be polite the second time. You might be polite the 20th time. But after a while you would be sick of it and you would think to yourself "Who the f**k are these people who think it is ok to just start randomly talking to me. What makes them think I want to talk to them. I don't want to talk to them. Leave me the f**k alone"

    Wicknight speaks a lot of sense.

    This bus thing (and the nightclub thing but I'm not going into that now) actually happens to me. Almost every single time I get on public transport some young guy comes over, sits beside me and strikes up conversation. A lot of the times I don't want to talk to these people, especially when they announce they are heroin addicts and have been in "the 'Joy" (I kid you not, that actually happened to me). Most of these strangers say they felt they could talk to me because I have a 'friendly face'.

    For the record, I don't sit there smiling at strangers. I might be immersed in a book and some dude will sit almost on top of me and start chatting away as if I've invited him to discuss current affairs with me.

    I haven't yet got to the point where I've felt I could be rude to somebody and tell them to get lost - I'm a walkover and I tend to just smile and nod while feeling an overwhelming sense of despair - but I can understand girls who let their feelings be known.


    Also, the other day I was out with a friend wearing a knee length skirt, and as we were heading towards the exit some guy stuck his hand right up her skirt and grabbed her... She turned around and slapped him. She felt humiliated and was almost crying as we left the club, but just as we got out the door the guy (who had followed us) grabbed her arm and threw her into the wall yelling 'HOW DARE YOU!! YOU B!TCH!" etc. The bouncers looked our way and ignored us.

    It was scary.

    I'm not surprised girls are wary, and I don't think it necessarily means they're stuck up...

    What the hell is a "friendly face" anyway!???


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    #106
    Hellm0
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    SimpleSam06 wrote: »
    Have you got anything interesting to add or are you just going to carry on blathering about your horse fetish?

    So let me get this, rather than answer my question("have you read my posts?") your just going to resort to attempting to demine my point by saying I'm "blathering" and have nothing to add? I'm shocked. Honestly.


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    #107
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
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    What the hell is a "friendly face" anyway!???

    hot.


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    #108
    Phil01
    Closed Accounts Posts: 206 ✭✭Phil01


    This thread has gotten really large really quickly... its hard to respond to everyone 's comments. but thanks for all the responces. It's good to see all the point of views.


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    #109
    St Bill
    Registered Users Posts: 515 ✭✭✭St Bill


    Scenario A : Guy sees girl. Guy chats to girl, girl thinks the guy is nice. They swap numbers. Everybody wins. End of story.

    Scenario B : Guy sees girl. Guy chats to girl. Girl says 'Piss off'. Guy realises what a wagon she is and counts his lucky stars he's not involved with her and never will be. End of story.

    Scenario C : Guy sees girl. Guy chats to girl. Girl isn't too interested but does not want to offend the guy. Maybe says no thanks after brief conversation. Guy doesn't realise that being turned down is part and parcel of life and decides that all Irish women are venomous harridans (this might also apply to scenario B). End of story.

    Scenario D : All Irish women are packed onto a cargo ship and transported far away from the martyrs, sorry men, on this fair isle. Suddenly the 2,000,000 Irish men realise that there are only a couple of hundred thousand foreign women to go around and so must fight man to man to win the hand of the fair foreign lady. Irish women are only allowed back to clean up mess, make sangwiches and tea and are sent packing again. End of story.


    :D


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    #110
    SimpleSam06
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    Hellm0 wrote: »
    So let me get this, rather than answer my question("have you read my posts?") your just going to resort to attempting to demine my point by saying I'm "blathering" and have nothing to add? I'm shocked. Honestly.
    Yeah didn't think so.


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    #111
    Zombrex
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    Hellm0 wrote: »
    No I get the implication but the point I'm driving at is quite simply that people DO like to communicate, even on occasion with *gasp* strangers!

    Of course they do. But if a girl tells you to "F**k off" in a night club you can safely assume they didn't want to communicate with you.

    The (bizarre) assumption that is doing the rounds on this thread seems to be that women in nightclubs don't have the right to do that, that the very fact that they are in the night club is a public advertisement that they are making that they don't mind being chatted up by strangers. The implication being that if a guy does decide to chat them up (lucky them) the girl has no right to get annoyed by this because she has already made it clear that she is looking for this attention by being in the night club. If she does she is the one being rude, not the guy, because he is only doing what is expected.

    That, as they say, is utter nonsense.

    But it is of course how guys would love it to actually be, because as the OP says, we get very embarrassed when we get turned down in this manner and it is much easier for our ego to blame the girl herself and say that she is in the wrong for the way she "overreacted", than for us to consider that actually what we did was rude in the first place.
    Hellm0 wrote: »
    Indeed, but are you relating this strictly with people you know already?

    No, I'm relating this to people I want to talk to

    As I said before -

    People, in general, don't like random strangers talking to them. It is weird.

    If I don't want to talk to you, if I have no reason to talk to you, if I don't know you or have given any indication that I want to talk to you, why the f**k are you talking to me. People don't like that.
    Hellm0 wrote: »
    I'd rather not. Why do you keep bringing the bus into this? The social context of the bus is nothing like that of a pub/nightclub.

    Says who?

    Again we have this idea that a night club is some where that girls should expect to be chatted up. And if they are there they are adverstising this to the guys in the nightclub.

    I've a news flash for you, this idea was invented by guys

    The reason so many girls get really annoyed and pissed off by guys constantly chatting them up in bars and nightclubs is because girls don't think like this. To a lot of girls the rules of the bus apply to nightclub as well.

    Don't f**king talk to me unless I want to talk to you.

    Its a pretty simple rule.

    And of course guys don't like this, or don't accept this, because they want to chat up girls. They go there to chat up girls. They want the girls to be wanting them to chat them up

    It makes it easier and less embarrassing, and you always have the fall back if you do get rebuffed that you can say to yourself "Well she wasn't playing by the rules"


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    #112
    soloparadox
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    SimpleSam06 wrote: »
    Your point being that girls who dress in what you feel is not a "demure" or "respectful" fashion deserve what they get, since you obviously set the standard for global self respect in fashion. So what if a girl wants to show a bit of leg or whatever? Doesn't mean shes a self hating monster of some sort who craves punishment by the social pillars haunting the country's clubs. Fer fucks sake, the primeval attitudes in this country just drive me nuts sometimes. I know plenty of countries where women wear hot pants more often than not, does that mean they are all whores?

    No it doesnt mean your a whore, it just means your wearing a whores uniform...
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=2OBPaenkxdg


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    #113
    Phil01
    Closed Accounts Posts: 206 ✭✭Phil01


    The big reason why guys are getting this backlash is that simply we are the ones going out on a limp, we are the ones chatting girls up, we have to. If we ever want to meet a nice girl and have a relationship we have to go out and start the first conversation.

    Society dictates that... why don't girls ever come up to a guy and ask him out? why don't the majority of girls start the first conversation with someone they might think is interesting.

    At the end of the day we are all looking for our perfect partner.


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    #114
    Hudson4ever
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    F Ucking Weird Science, Yeah!!!! Weird Science, Yeah!!!! F Ucking Hell Yeah Aaahahahhahahah


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    #115
    humbert
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    A lot of girls do go to a night club to be "chatted up" by guys though. I can understand a girl getting frustrated by unctuous drunks annoying them but if the guy is polite and and friendly is "fuck off" an acceptable reaction! Also there is a double standard. Would a girl approaching a guy walk away unoffended by such a response.


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    #116
    Macha
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 6,376 Mod ✭✭✭✭Macha


    Phil01 wrote: »
    The big reason why guys are getting this backlash is that simply we are the ones going out on a limp, we are the ones chatting girls up, we have to. If we ever want to meet a nice girl and have a relationship we have to go out and start the first conversation.

    Society dictates that... why don't girls ever come up to a guy and ask him out? why don't the majority of girls start the first conversation with someone they might think is interesting.

    At the end of the day we are all looking for our perfect partner.

    So true - it must take guts to go up to a girl. I've only ever done it once to a total stranger. Otherwise it's been in a work environment so the positive signals built up over a few weeks & I was pretty sure I wasn't going to be kicked to the kerb


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    #117
    Phil01
    Closed Accounts Posts: 206 ✭✭Phil01


    humbert wrote: »
    Also there is a double standard. Would a girl approaching a guy walk away unoffended by such a response.

    I totally agree with this. This is also what i've been trying to say, if a guy told a girl that, she would just call him an a**hole. Its not acceptable to say this to a guy when he is nice and trying to be polite and get to know ppl.

    It's a different story if the guys been an a**hole, then the girl can say what ever she wants to the guy.


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    #118
    Zombrex
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    Phil01 wrote: »
    If we ever want to meet a nice girl and have a relationship we have to go out and start the first conversation.

    You say that as if the propagation of the species is at stake :D

    You only "have to" do this if "have to" meet a nice girl in a nosy dark night club

    There are a lot better places to met girls you would want to actually date.
    Phil01 wrote: »
    Society dictates that... why don't girls ever come up to a guy and ask him out? why don't the majority of girls start the first conversation with someone they might think is interesting.

    I would imagine girls aren't as bothered as guys.

    No one is forcing you to go up to girls. If you don't want to go up to strangers and try and chat them up then don't do it

    The girls don't owe you anything.


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    #119
    Phil01
    Closed Accounts Posts: 206 ✭✭Phil01


    Wicknight wrote: »
    You say that as if the propagation of the species is at stake

    Nothing is at stake but this is what happens, 98% of the time its the guy that makes first contact with a girl

    Wicknight wrote: »
    I would imagine girls aren't as bothered as guys.

    They should be, don't they want to meet nice guys.

    Wicknight wrote: »
    No one is forcing you to go up to girls. If you don't want to go up to strangers and try and chat them up then don't do it

    How else are u ment to make friends or get to know people, some people on this earth still go out to socialize and actually meet and talk to new and interesting people. If i didnt want to talk to strangers i would stay at home and watch a movie.
    Wicknight wrote: »
    The girls don't owe you anything.

    Well duh... i know girls dont owe me anything nor do i owe them anything, i would never expect anything from a girl, just to be polite, and to be treated as how she would like to be treated.


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    #120
    Scoobydoobydoo
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    Phil01 wrote: »
    At the end of the day we are all looking for our perfect partner.

    Personally, I think this is the problem. Nightclubs are not places to find a partner in my opinion.
    Whenever I used to go to clubs, I hated it when strangers came up to me to chat. I wouldn't be rude, but I'd have to come up with a reason to excuse myself somehow.
    I only ever went out with guys I met through other people or work etc. - that I knew to see or say hello to at least, I'd have to develop an interest after a time - I don't think I am all that unusual in this, am I?
    For this reason, I never ended up with anyone who approached me in a club - I might have danced with them a bit to be nice, but then I'd be gone. It seems that to a lot of guys clubs are cattle markets, and they can't understand that a lot of girls don't see it that way.
    Usually, I'd have gone to have fun with my friends, not to meet strangers. How can you even have a proper conversation with someone you don't know when it's so noisy anyway, and abandon your friends in the process? Doesn't appeal to me!
    I do feel bad for guys sometimes, because they do have to be a bit brave to approach a girl, but from the girl's point of view, I hated being approached!
    I can also relate to stories some of the ladies on the boards have mentioned.
    I have been in situations where I've been chatted up in front of my boyfriend, and I'd say this is my boyfriend - sometimes the guy would walk away and sometimes he'd continue chatting to me in front of my boyfriend - it used to drive him mad and we used to have massive rows at the end of the night sometimes because a guy came up to me and I couldn't get rid - he'd think I was flirting, and actually it came to a point where if a guy approached me I'd get stressed and panicked and now that I think about it, I probably seemed rude to some of them. But, guys don't realise that it might cause you grief, and I'm sure they don't care!
    One night a guy actually bought me a drink I didn't want (and didn't drink), and then grabbed my breasts, I mean full on grabbed them (nearly hurt me). It couldn't have been because of the way I was dressed, believe me! I hadn't been flirting with him, I hadn't even been talking to him!


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    #121
    monkey tennis
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    Scoobydoobydoo wrote: »
    Personally, I think this is the problem. Nightclubs are not places to find a partner in my opinion.

    I agree, but to be fair, the nightclub situations only got brought into the discussion later on.

    Phil01 wrote: »
    Well duh... i know girls dont owe me anything nor do i owe them anything, i would never expect anything from a girl, just to be polite, and to be treated as how she would like to be treated.

    I have to say, I'm tickled pink by the way you keep going on like a wounded puppy, when the very first thing you did in this thread was slag off every woman in this country :D


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