British terrorist threat - Is it only a matter of time here?

darkman2

Should we be concerned about terrorist threat level to Britain atm? Is it time we upped our act and stopped living in denial that eventually such a threat will reach our shores as it has done most European countries. How many of you think Islamic extremists would be so choosey as to make a distinction between ths country and the UK or any other western country? Its widely acknowledged within the European security agencies that Ireland is the weakest amongst them and needs to get its act together especially in the light of the scale of immigration here or will we learn the hard way how the real world works? Does anyone feel the Gardai are adequately equipped to deal with such threats? When you think about it all these loons in the UK have to do is hop on a boat to the easiest place to mount an operation in Europe imaginable. All of a sudden I get the impression we may be beginning to take our heads out of the sand and realise just how vulnerable we potentially are.

Do you agree/disagree with this?

qwertplaywert

if anyone bombs us big, we are frakked.
lets just have a good time at the present

Karoma

List the 'other European countries that the threat has reached'.
List the European countries allied with America in invading countries.

stepbar

I'm sure there are cells operating from Ireland, but I don't think they would be bothered with attacking Ireland. I can't see any reason why, apart from Shannon (maybe).

mike65

I would'nt unduly concerned right now, wait 20-30 years though!

Mike.

stepbar

You could be right. Ireland has changed a good deal in 10 years. I hope in the next 10 that we learn from the mistakes in the UK and make sure they are not replicated here.

darkman2

The UK/Italy and Holland (I think) were involved in the invasion.

marco murphy

I think other countries are more of a priority for extremeists. I am very frustrated as to ''Updating security'' and all of this crap. There is one reason only that we could be attacked and that is Shannons use by the yanks.
If that root cause is eliminated the Gardai don't have to worry about anything.

Thrill

I've heard people saying we'd get hit soon since the 7/7 bombings in London in 05. We haven't had a sniff of a threat here as far as i know. I think every time theres an attack across the water we'll have people speculating about when it's our turn. We'd be a pretty soft target though.



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darkman2

thrill wrote:

I've heard people saying we'd get hit soon since the 7/7 bombings in london. We havent had a sniff of a threat here as far as i know. I think every time theres an attack across the water we'll have people speculating about when it's our turn. We'd be a pretty soft target though.

The Gardai are tracking known Al Queda symphitisers here, 14 I think was the number they know of - whats more as I said - all one of these loons has to do is realise how weak we are and just a get ferry from the UK!

Victor

So what should we be expecting and what should we do?

galwayrush

The terrorists will have to wait another few years until we have some infrastructure worth hitting.:rolleyes: Maybe that's the Goverment's means of protecting us.:rolleyes:

philstar

ireland gettin bombed by al quadea??.....its not beyond the bounds of possibility, with the shannon connection.

but then again if we were on their list it would have happened a long time ago i think

marco murphy

Amazing, that back road around Dublin Airport, where the spectators park whats it called?
Anyway, the fence is easily climb-overable or penetratable.
Security me arse :rolleyes:

Karoma

Yes; please, lead us dorkman2! Show no symphity!
Please also try answering the second question...or did you already?

darkman2

Increase Garda numbers to prop up intelligence gathering and
ensure we are able to handle and co-ordinate a resonse to a serious terrorist incident. We have neither atm. No point in pretending we do. They would be what id look for urgently as they should be up to scratch anyway!

darkman2

UK/Italy/Holland - I think.....Spain no longer involved in the invasion.

stepbar

galwayrush wrote:

The terrorists will have to wait another few years until we have some infrastructure worth hitting.:rolleyes: Maybe that's the Goverment's means of protecting us.:rolleyes:

QFT or at least til the metro is built (when ever that is....)

Jello

Can't see it happening, we're hardly a priority for terrorists!

Karoma

darkman2 wrote:

The UK/Italy and Holland (I think) were involved in the invasion.

Heh. A few more European countries shall sleep better tonight after you've suddenly removed all threat. <O.



Do you think they'd honestly bomb Ireland? From a political view-would it not be a bad thing for themselves? They'd turn so many more people against themselves in America, and other countries, Shirley?

philstar

galwayrush wrote:

The terrorists will have to wait another few years until we have some infrastructure worth hitting.:rolleyes: Maybe that's the Goverment's means of protecting us.:rolleyes:

then again they could fly a plane into liberty hall....and do us all a favour
(what a hideous looking building)

darkman2

Last time I checked NATO itself inc most its member countries were not at war with Iraq. While NATO does not have a direct role in the international stabilisation force that has been in Iraq since May 2003, the Alliance is helping Iraq provide for its own security by training Iraqi military personnel, supporting the development of the country’s security institutions, and coordinating the delivery of equipment. Most NATO countries are not active in Iraq and dont want to be.

darkman2

Karoma wrote:

Do you think they'd honestly bomb Ireland? From a political view-would it not be a bad thing for themselves? They'd turn so many more people against themselves in America, and other countries, Shirley?

Well all im saying is the country right next door, with which we have a common travel area, has a high terror threat. Would it not be at best irresponsible not to take that into account?

mike65

Why do the Irish think the rest of the world (or even just the USA) is waiting with baited breath for news about Ireland? If it happened here the reaction would'nt be much different to say that after July 7th 2005 or March 11th 2004

Mike.

Karoma

Well, they have a 'high terror threat level', I'm not so sure they have a "high terror threat". But, that's just me being paranoid. Silly me.

Apples and oranges, baby. Apples and oranges.

Why do the Irish think the rest of the world (or even just the USA) is waiting with baited breath for news about Ireland? If it happened here the reaction would'nt be much different to say that after July 7th 2005 or March 11th 2004

If that's aimed at my post: I didn't mean "with baited breath" -just that it would make some impact as (a) we're a mostly-neutral country, and (b) there is a significant number of voters that are emotionally attached to Ireland in other countries who would be swayed into supporting Bush and his War of Terror. It's a minor point, just as is Irish involvement in the war.

Thrill

stepbar wrote:

QFT or at least til the metro is built (when ever that is....)

What about the Spire? Surely that would be high on the list of targets. The psychological damage to Dubliners would be immense.

Captain Chaos

Poblachtach wrote:

Amazing, that back road around Dublin Airport, where the spectators park whats it called?
Anyway, the fence is easily climb-overable or penetratable.
Security me arse :rolleyes:

An Airport Police pickup drives past that fence every 5-10mins plus it only leaves you at the end of one runway, I can't see them with a bomb big enough to damage an airliner as its flying towards them at 160mph. They would need and RPG, Stinger or SA-7 type launcher to do damage to a fast moving airliner.

mike65

Won't there be rejoycing if the Spire gets spiked?

Mike.

stepbar

thrill wrote:

What about the Spire? Surely that would be high on the list of targets. The psycological damage to Dubliners would be immense.

I'd pay for someone to drive 10 diggers into it TBH

Karoma

thrill wrote:

What about the Spire? Surely that would be high on the list of targets. The psychological damage to Dubliners would be immense.

Not to mention the physical damage caused by the Irish defence forces if they don't completely remove the thing first time around.

Dave!

What's the talk from the Islamic world about Shannon? I can't help but feel as though it's just us having an inflated sense of self-importance. Sure, we're somewhat complicit in the war, but we're not actively taking part in it, and we're an insignificant country in terms of international politics. I can't imagine that fundamentalists have much of an interest in attacking Ireland. Sure, all the lebrechauns would be killed then!

Anybody who frequents Islamic boards ever see talk about Shannon?

thrill wrote:

What about the Spire? Surely that would be high on the list of targets. The psychological damage to Dubliners would be immense.

lol

stepbar

DaveMcG wrote:

What's the talk from the Islamic world about Shannon? I can't help but feel as though it's just us having an inflated sense of self-importance. Sure, we're somewhat complicit in the war, but we're not actively taking part in it, and we're an insignificant country in terms of international politics. I can't imagine that fundamentalists have much of an interest in attacking Ireland. Sure, all the lebrechauns would be killed then!

Anybody who frequents Islamic boards ever see talk about Shannon?

They wouldnt certainly talk about here if they were. You never know what mad man would take offence to Shannon being used as a stop off by the US

Black Swan

Don't waste money on anti-terrorism. Close Shannon to the US military and lend no support to their Middle Eastern and African campaigns/interventions.

darkman2

I never mentioned Shannon as I think it is completely irrelevant. My viewpoint would be that we are next to a big country that is getting its very own 'home grown' terrorists nowadays (yes I know - like growing assparagus or something) and we are a very weak target.

darkman2

philstar wrote:

then again they could fly a plane into liberty hall....and do us all a favour
(what a hideous looking building)

Would speed up SIPTU's rebuilding of it but many of them would probrably die in the process:D

Karoma

darkman2 wrote:

I never mentioned Shannon as I think it is completely irrelevant. My viewpoint would be that we are next to a big country that is getting its very own 'home grown' terrorists nowadays (yes I know - like growing assparagus or something) and we are a very weak target.

Oh, christ on a bicycle! Not assparagus!
Send your bombs!
Send your madmen!
Just not assparagus!


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stepbar

We are weak in the sence that we dont have the armary of the UK. I dont think Ireland would be used for anything more than a base to conduct operations from.

Dave!

darkman2 wrote:

I never mentioned Shannon as I think it is completely irrelevant. My viewpoint would be that we are next to a big country that is getting its very own 'home grown' terrorists nowadays (yes I know - like growing assparagus or something) and we are a very weak target.

Shannon is the only thing that I'd see as relevent when considering any Islamic terrorist threat to Ireland. I don't really see what else we've done that would warrant us significantly increasing our security level. We're not exactly big players in international politics. TBH I'm more concerned with the gang shootings that seem to be happening every few days in this country.

stepbar wrote:

We are weak in the sence that we dont have the armary of the UK. I dont think Ireland would be used for anything more than a base to conduct operations from.

Indeed. That's what I'd pay more attention to. Not people attacking us, but people using Ireland to get at the UK.

darkman2

stepbar wrote:

We are weak in the sence that we dont have the armary of the UK. I dont think Ireland would be used for anything more than a base to conduct operations from.

Yes im sure our European Neighbours would look on with curious fascination and benevolence whilst we know and allow terrorists to plot mass murder in their countries and they would not give a fig:rolleyes: If thats the case we better start building a big army now and buy some nukes aswell:rolleyes:

stepbar

Yeah but TBH our police force cant be everywhere. All we can do is make sure that people coming to our country are propertly documented. The guards can only do so much.

Tha Gopher

Karoma wrote:

Heh. A few more European countries shall sleep better tonight after you've suddenly removed all threat. <O.



Do you think they'd honestly bomb Ireland? From a political view-would it not be a bad thing for themselves? They'd turn so many more people against themselves in America, and other countries, Shirley?

I agree, an attack on Ireland would destroy the strong support that Al Quaeda has in the Irish neighbourhoods of New York

So far the UK and Spain have been hit. From memory attacks have been foiled in France, Germany, Holland, Italy, Denmark, possibly Belgium. Dont leave a whole pile of actively supporting countries on the plan list.

As said though is it an issue? Ive yet to see Irish flags burning at a foreign demo.

darkman2

Tha Gopher wrote:

Ive yet to see Irish flags burning at a foreign demo.

Ever been up the North on July 12th:D Though you dont see many Muslims there luckily enough;)

galwayrush

darkman2 wrote:

If thats the case we better start building a big army now and buy some nukes aswell:rolleyes:

It would have to be an enviromentally friendly alternative to Nukes, i'm sure the terrorists would underatand our Green Party's concerns.:D

darkman2

galwayrush wrote:

It would have to be an enviromentally friendly alternative to Nukes, i'm sure the terrorists would underatand our Green Party's concerns.:D

Yes John Gormley will sort them all out...

How about potatoe bombs.........im sure they exist......somewhere

Tha Gopher

darkman2 wrote:

Ever been up the North on July 12th:D Though you dont see many Muslims there luckily enough;)

Note the words "foreign demos"


*sticks on some wolfe tones at full blast, begins drunken shouting*

tiocfaidh ar la, brits out, saoirse na hEireann etc etc.......

stepbar

Tha Gopher wrote:

Note the words "foreign demos"


*sticks on some wolfe tones at full blast, begins drunken shouting*

tiocfaidh ar la, brits out, saoirse na hEireann etc etc.......

Up ya boy ya

Thrill

darkman2 wrote:

How about potatoe bombs

And dont forget the spud guns. It's ages since i seen one of those.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Spud_Gun.jpg

galwayrush

darkman2 wrote:

Yes John Gormley will sort them all out...

How about potatoe bombs.........im sure they exist......somewhere

Organic. Not imported of course, and the GM ones are a definate no no.

gurramok

Well, there have been about 14 bomb attacks here in Dublin & Limerick in the last 3 weeks or so, just grenades and pipe bombs exploding outside houses and schools.
Does that count as a terrorist threat?...not Islamist though

It can easily be done here, anyone can drive a car up to the airport entrance like in Glasgow with sinister intentions, not much of a visible armed Garda presence there at times.

I think the only thing holding them back here is that we dont have a huge Muslim population(yes i say the un-PC word) to draw a significant number of extremists from the ranks to carry out a campaign.

Black Swan

darkman2 wrote:

I never mentioned Shannon as I think it is completely irrelevant. My viewpoint would be that we are next to a big country that is getting its very own 'home grown' terrorists nowadays (yes I know - like growing assparagus or something) and we are a very weak target.

Part of the British problem with terrorists is more than likely related to their support of the US and involvement in Iraq? How can you talk terrorism in isolation from that part of the world community that supports it? One way the Brits have discovered terrorist citizens in their own land was by tracing them back to trips to the Middle East to be trained...

Ayahuarian

To be honest, this thread is a little retarded. There (to my recollection) has never been a terrorist bombing or bombing threat (IRA excluded) in Ireland. Mainly because we're neutral and don't stick our nose in other people's business, especially if it's dirty work (Iraq). There's no reason for them to attack here, they like Irish people (Like most people around the world, we're just the lovable alcoholic leprechauns!)