MMA/UFC/PRIDE/K-1 discussion thread

dunkamania · 04-09-2008 1:13pm

This fight is gonna be awesome

Kim has said she feels sorry for Brock, up against Randy with only 3 fights experience.

She also dropped this bombshell
"When Fedor signed the contract (with Affliction) it was cut out in the contract that they get him for a certain number of fights not including the Randy Couture fight. He's free to fight Randy wherever, whenever."

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/mma_experts/post/Couture-s-better-half-says-she-feels-sorry-for-L?urn=mma,105158

Dragan · 04-09-2008 1:41pm

Now that is interesting.

Still, unless UFC can get Fedor on a multifight deal it won't be going ahead.

Randy has signed on for 3 fights ( basically a rewrite of his outstanding contract ). I don't see him having any more left in the tank after that.

vasch_ro · 04-09-2008 2:11pm

Dragan wrote: »

I predict Brock gets frustrated at his inability to overcome technical ability and a solid game plan with brute physicality in Rd 2, making the mistake that gets his trapped and pounded out.

I read it in my tea leaves.

mind if i borrow those tea leaves ........:)

rovert · 04-09-2008 2:41pm

dunkamania wrote: »

This fight is gonna be awesome

Kim has said she feels sorry for Brock, up against Randy with only 3 fights experience.

She also dropped this bombshell
"When Fedor signed the contract (with Affliction) it was cut out in the contract that they get him for a certain number of fights not including the Randy Couture fight. He's free to fight Randy wherever, whenever."

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/mma_experts/post/Couture-s-better-half-says-she-feels-sorry-for-L?urn=mma,105158

Have you followed the story for the past year? UFC wants and will only accept exclusivity of Fedor.

dunkamania · 04-09-2008 3:07pm

What people say and what people do often differ greatly

rovert · 04-09-2008 3:16pm

dunkamania wrote: »

What people say and what people do often differ greatly

In this case of long standing business practices this isnt the case. If it was it would have happened a year ago.

Fozzy · 04-09-2008 3:31pm

There's no way the UFC will accept Fedor for just one fight. When Dana was asked that question during the conference call he straight out said "no". Then he went on to talk about it a bit more. Basically, if Fedor were to win, they'd have given him invaluable promotion, more than any other MMA company could manage or afford, and then he'd be back with their rivals. They'd essentially be spending millions to promote a rival promotion's fighter. It's plain bad business and the UFC are very good at conducting business

Hail 2 Da Chimp wrote: »

How did they manage to swing the title fight? Did Nog agree to give the title back to Randy?

Randy's the champ, he's got to defend the belt. Nogueira's still the interim champ and whoever wins between him and Mir will still be the interim champ until they face the winner of Brock/Randy

If this weren't a title fight, and Brock won, then they'd still have to do Couture vs Nog/Mir. But really it would be Brock who deserves to be in the title fight, having beaten the champ. It makes sense

mirwillbeback · 04-09-2008 4:11pm

It doesnt matter who wins between Brock and Randy, Mir will submit either one in his first interim title defense.
: )

dunkamania · 04-09-2008 4:11pm

If Affliction folds as predicted, Dana is more likely to be entertain a compromise on Fedor. I say Dana, but I really mean the Ferttita's, who have a different style of management and will exert more influence over the future direction of the company. Randy will be at the end of his career, so beating him doesnt mean that much, especially if hes not the champ. In all liklihood Fedor will go back to beating up tomato cans in Japan afterwards and not be in competition with the UFC.

That being said, it will probably be a greater one fight deal

Fozzy · 04-09-2008 4:19pm

dunkamania wrote: »

If Affliction folds as predicted, Dana is more likely to be entertain a compromise on Fedor. I say Dana, but I really mean the Ferttita's, who have a different style of management and will exert more influence over the future direction of the company. Randy will be at the end of his career, so beating him doesnt mean that much, especially if hes not the champ. In all liklihood Fedor will go back to beating up tomato cans in Japan afterwards and not be in competition with the UFC.

That being said, it will probably be a greater one fight deal

Still, let's say that they can get Fedor for one fight and he doesn't go to any rival promotion afterwards, he just retires. It's probably still not going to be good business for them to promote him for one fight. If he wins he'll get a load of money and the UFC will never see any more return on that money

Beating Randy would still mean a lot. Just Fedor fighting anyone in the UFC would mean a lot as he'd be getting so much more promotion than he's ever had before in the US

What basis do you have for saying that the Fertitta's will have more influence on their direction in the future? They've trusted Dana up to now and he's done a great job. He's still doing the same job as he did before Lorenzo took up more of a role in the UFC

Dragan · 04-09-2008 4:37pm

The simple fact that they are both spending more time operating in the UFC as a whole means the power will shift more to them. Its just the way big business works.

I'm not saying they will start interferring, but they will be closer to decisions, able to voice more opinion and offer more direction.

I can't see them changing over to not get involved.

Charlie3dan · 04-09-2008 4:39pm

mirwillbeback wrote: »

It doesnt matter who wins between Brock and Randy, Mir will submit either one in his first interim title defense.
: )

What is it with you and that fella?

rovert · 04-09-2008 4:53pm

Dragan wrote: »

The simple fact that they are both spending more time operating in the UFC as a whole means the power will shift more to them. Its just the way big business works.

I'm not saying they will start interferring, but they will be closer to decisions, able to voice more opinion and offer more direction.

I can't see them changing over to not get involved.

Im quite sure they are extremely involved in decision making already when it comes to major decisions.

Fall_Guy · 04-09-2008 5:22pm

rovert wrote: »

Im quite sure they are extremely involved in decision making already when it comes to major decisions.

I'm not that pushed to see fedor in UFC to be honest. Yes, I have wanted to see Fedor Randy for a while, but to be honest after that who is there to match him up with in the UFC? Nog again? Lesnar? Mir?

Randy is the only fight for Fedor in the UFC that catches my eye (possibly Lesnar if he managed to upset Randy) whereas I would be interested to see him in against both Barnett and Arlovski if Affliction was able to stay around long enough. As long as he's not in the UFC(and ties down o an exclusive contract) there is also the possibility of fights with the japan-based heavyweights like the much improved overeem and rematches with crocop and hunt, all of which would be more interesting to me than congo, herring or mir for example

**edit** i have no idea why i quoted that piece by rovert, sorry!

dunkamania · 05-09-2008 8:39am

Comments from M1 on Fedor contracts

http://www.cagepotato.com/2008/09/04/m-1s-raimond-says-fedor-is-contractually-free-to-fight-couture-in-the-ufc/

lafors · 05-09-2008 3:07pm

Supposedly the reason why Rampage split from Juanita and is now with Wolfslair. The interview is 30 mins long.
Rumor is that Juanita was taking money from him.

http://cbs2.com/video/?id=75772@kcbs.dayport.com

mirwillbeback · 05-09-2008 3:11pm

Charlie3dan wrote: »

What is it with you and that fella?

it's just people always compare my style to his.

just not favourably

:pac:

Charlie3dan · 05-09-2008 3:19pm

mirwillbeback wrote: »

it's just people always compare my style to his.

just not favourably

:pac:

Fozzy · 05-09-2008 7:38pm

So, any picks for UFC 88? Here's mine

MAIN CARD

* Rashad Evans vs. Chuck Liddell
* Rich Franklin vs. Matt Hamill
* Karo Parisyan vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida
* Dan Henderson vs. Rousimar Palhares
* Martin Kampmann vs. Nate Marquardt

PRELIMINARY CARD

* Kurt Pellegrino vs. Thiago Tavares
* Tim Boetsch vs. Mike Patt
* Matt Brown vs. Dong Hyun Kim
* Roan Carneiro vs. Ryo Chonan
* Jason Lambert vs. Jason MacDonald

Chuck to KO Rashad - I think that it would be really sad to see Chuck lose to Rashad. Although he's unbeaten, Rashad isn't that great a fighter. I'm confident that Chuck will win and that it will be impressive

Franklin to KO Hamill - I'm sure that Franklin's still got it. Even if he hasn't got what it takes to beat Anderson Silva, he should have what it takes to beat Hamill

Yoshida to sub Parisyan - I don't want to see Parisyan win. I hope there's some nice throws

Palhares to sub Henderson - I'm not underestimating Henderson, I just think that Palhares is so good on the ground that he could easily catch Henderson in something. I read an interview with Henderson where he said that he accepted the fight before seeing Palhares fight

Kampmann to KO Marquardt - I'm looking forward to this fight. One of the more evenly matched ones on the card I think. I think that Kampmann has what it takes although he's the slight underdog

No real opinions on the others, although Tavares/Pellegrino definitely interests me

Fozzy · 05-09-2008 8:52pm

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=7036&zoneid=2

Karo's out. Back injury. Pity. No replacement

That site also has a report that Thiago Silva is out of his fight in October with Machida. Back injury as well

Fozzy · 06-09-2008 2:39pm

The WEC show scheduled for Wednesday has been moved to November 5th because of a hurricane risk: http://mmajunkie.com/news/5219/exclusive-wednesdays-wec-36-event-moved-to-nov-5-due-to-hurricane-ike.mma

Urijah Faber and Paulo Filho are both on the card. I was looking forward to it, I can't remember a bad WEC show since I started keeping up with it

amacachi · 07-09-2008 3:38am

I think this is the right forum for it.

What everyone make of the first fight? I thought the first and last rounds went Kim's way, so I'm not too sure what the crowd were booing about. Unless they just wanted the yank to win whether he deserved it or not.

dlofnep · 07-09-2008 11:50am

I smiled inside when Chuck got knocked out. That KO was brutal.

RNCFAN · 07-09-2008 11:56am

I called it a split with it going to Kim.

Fair play to Evans snatching the opportunity. Another solid game plan from the Jackson camp as that was no lucky swing. A buddy of mine was at it and said the sound of that punch was deafening! Forrest V Evans next so.

Anyone see Chuck V Shogun more of a real possibility now?

I was **** shocked at how Kampann was handled by Marquardt too. No way did I see Nate outstriking him. Suppose this may prompt Kampann to drop as many have speculated, though the loss did not have much to do with weight.

I thought Hamill did well all being considered but the fight went the way I thought it would eventually. So, Rich how do you feel about beating up a deaf guy :mad: just joking :P. I'd like to see Hamill go to someone like DellaGrotte and get his striking and head movement sharpened up. What Mark and his team have done with Florian is outstanding.

Lambert V McDonald - I hope Jason stays at MW - much much better weight for him and for those of us who don't wanna look at those sausage tits

. I'd like to McDonald next against someone like Palhares.

Good to see Henderson get the Win also.

rovert · 07-09-2008 4:17pm

So all of UFC's major stars are all now past their primes now.

RNCFAN · 07-09-2008 4:44pm

rovert wrote: »

So all of UFC's major stars are all now past their primes now.

Nah, I wouldn't go as far as to say that. Their is a changing of the guard with Hughes/Liddell but you've still got Franklin who should be dangerous at 205, BJ is still raping the LWs, GSP still dominating the WWs, Silva taking over from Rich in MW and now with Couture being back you've still got the old master going to dominate the Heavys too.

mirwillbeback · 07-09-2008 7:06pm

Good one I heard last night - Who is a homeboy's favourite MMA fighter - Matt Hamill, he's def.
: )

Bubs101 · 07-09-2008 9:34pm

rovert wrote: »

So all of UFC's major stars are all now past their primes now.

Lesnar hasn't even hit his prime now and he is certainly one of their biggest stars.

Saw the Lidell fight and it looked like Rasheed decimated his jaw.

amacachi · 08-09-2008 2:38am

Aye, was pretty nasty, awful thump he gave him, what's up with that!? :P

lafors · 08-09-2008 8:07am

I was initially surprised at kim's win, but watched it again, he got the first round and the takedown in the last got it for him. Feel sorry for Matt Brown though, he gave it everything.

Marquardt was impressive too, I don't think many people would have expected it to end that way.

Really enjoyed the Franklin/Hamill match, that was a nice cut on Rich. I was very surprised that hamill didn't bring it to the ground which was a mistake.
I used to think hamill was a dick (after watching the ultimate fighter) but after I met Bisping, I knew who the real dick was.

Great to see Hendo win, he a great fighter, but he's also got a lot of class, no trash talk, he just puts it all in the ring. It was a real entertaining game of chess............but with kicks, punches, elbows and submission attempts

Was sick when chuck was KO'd, I can not stand rashad, he's another one of the new loudmouth fighters. Rumor has it that Dana has told Evans he has the title shot @ UFC92. He didn't take any damage in the fight so should be fresh still.