Irish Promotions' Thread ***Info & Results***

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IwW @ The Forum,Waterford, Oct 19th 2007:
1. Keni'chiro Arai & Lupin Matsutani beat Red Vinny & Bingo Ballance
2. Inter-Gender Match: LA Warren w/Ballymun Bruiser pinned Shenaynay
3. IwW International Champion Vic Viper beat 'The Black Heart Warrior' Mandrake
4. 'The Heritic' Red Vinny pinned El Generico
5. Mad Man Manson & Tracy Smothers beat Ballymun Bruiser & LA Warren
6. Zero Gravity Champion Bingo Ballance beat Kid Kash by DQ, after Red vinny interferd.

IwW @ The Youth Centre,Carlow, Oct 20th 2007:
1. 'The Insane One' Mad Man Manson pinned Lupin Matsutani
2. Inter-Gender Match: LA Warren w/Ballymun Bruiser pinned Shenaynay
3. 'Mr. GAA' Conor Hurley beat Ballymun Bruiser
4. 'The Heritic' Red Vinny pinned El Generico
5. Zero Gravity Champion Bingo Ballance pinned Keni'chiro Arai
6. 3-Way: IwW International Champion Vic Viper beat Tracy Smothers & Kid Kash, Vic pinned Kash.

IwW @ The Carlton Ballroom, Kilkenny, Oct 20th 2007:
1. 4 Corners Match: El Generico beat Mad Man Manson, Lupin Matsutani & Tracy Smothers
2. Inter-Gender Match: Ballymun Bruiser w/LA Warren pinned Shenaynay
3. 'The Heritic' Red Vinny pinned Zero Gravity Champion Bingo Ballance to win the title
4. 'Mr. GAA' Conor Hurley & Bingo Ballance w/ former World Kick Boxing Champin Paul Cummings beat Ballymun Brusier & LA Warren
5. 3-Way: IwW International Champion Vic Viper beat Kid Kash & Keni'chiro Arai, Vic pinned Arai.

IwW @ Combined Community Centre, Balbriggan, Dublin, Oct 21st 2007:
1. Womens Match: Shenaynay pinned Jennidee
2. Bam Katraz beat LA Warren
3. Zero Gravity Champion Red Vinny pinned Bingo Ballance
4. Womens Match: Tara Doyle pinned Shenaynay
5. 10-Man Elimination Tag Match: Tracy Smothers, Mad Man Manson, Kid Kash, El Generico & Mandrake defeated Vic Viper, LA Warren, Ballymun Brusier, Keni'chiro Arai & Lupin Matsutani. ( Kid Kash & Mandrake were the last two remaining)

IwW @ GAA Hall, Stillorgan, Dublin, Oct 21st 2007:
1. 3-Way Match: Zero G. Champ Red Vinny beat El Generico & Bingo Ballance
2. Dillon Jones & Wayne Daly beat Brother Skelly & Conor Hurley
3. Women's 3-Way Match: Jennidee beat Tara Doyle & Shenaynay
4. Mad Man Manson & Mandrake beat Keni'chiro Arai & Lupin Matsutani
5. Tracy Smothers & Captain Rooney beat Ballymun Brusier & LA Warren
6. IwW International Champion Vic Viper pinned Kid Kash

IwW @ The Civic Centre, Ballyfermot, Dublin, Oct 22nd 2007:
1. Ballymun Brusier & LA Warren w/Tracy Smothers beat Dillon Jones & Mandrake
2. Brother Skelly, Bam Katraz & Capt. Rooney beat Andy Barton, Rick O'Shea & Wayne Daly
3. Women Match: Jennidee beat Shenaynay
4. Zero Gravity Champ Red Vinny pinned El Generico
5. 'Rugged' Dillon Jones w/Mandrake pinned Tracy Smothers w/Ballymun Bruiser & LA Warren
6. Kid Kash & Mad Man Manson & Mandrake beat Keni'chiro Arai & Lupin Matsutani

IwW @ Europa Hotel, Drogheda, Louth, Oct 24th 2007:
1. Ballymun Brusier & LA Warren beat Dillon Jones & Bam Katraz
2. Capt. Rooney & Barry Heinz beat Rick O'Shea & Wayne Daly
3. Women Match: Jennidee beat Shenaynay
4. Zero Gravity Champ Red Vinny pinned Lupin Matsutani
5. Tracy Smothers w/Bruiser & Warren pinned El Generico w/ Eamon D'arcy
6. 4 Corners Match: Mandrake beat Kid Kash, Mad Man Manson & Keni'chiro Arai

IwW @ City Hall, Newry, Down, Oct 26th 2007:
1. No.1 Contenders match to ZG Title: Bam Katraz pinned Sean Scott
2. IwW International Champion Vic Viper w/ Bruiser & Smothers beat Mandrake by DQ
3. Women Match: Jennidee beat Shenaynay
4. Zero Gravity Champ Red Vinny pinned Bam Katraz
5. 3-Way Match: Mad Man Manson beat Dillon Jones & LA Warren
6. Mandrake & Kid Kash beat Ballymun Bruiser & Tracy Smothers w/Vic Viper

IwW @ The Comprehensive, Ballymun, Dublin, Oct 27th 2007:
1. Dillon Jones beat LA Warren
2. IwW International Champion Vic Viper w/ Bruiser & Smothers beat Mandrake by DQ
3. Women Match: Jennidee beat Shenaynay
4. Zero Gravity Champ Red Vinny pinned Bingo Ballance
5. 3-Way non-title Match: Ballymun Brusier beat Tracy Smothers & Int. Champ Vic Viper
6. 3-Way Match: Mad Man Manson beat Mandrake & Kid Kash, Manson pinned Kash.

IwW @ The Community & Youth Centre, Donnycarney, Dublin, Oct 27th 2007:
1. 3 Way Match: Zero Gravity Champ Red Vinny pinned Bingo Ballance & LA Warren
2. Conor Hurley, Brother Skelly & Capt. Rooney beat Rick O'Shea, Andy Barton & Wayne Daly
3. Women's 3-Way Match: Jennidee beat Tara Doyle & Shenaynay
4. Dog Collar Chain Match: IwW International Champion Vic Viper beat Mad Man Manson
5. Kid Kash pinned Bam Katraz, after Red Vinny interferd.
6. Tracy Smothers & Mandrake beat Dillon Jones & Ballymun Bruiser

IwW @ The Community Centre, Clondalkin, Dublin, Oct 28th 2007:
1. Zero Gravity Champ Red Vinny pinned LA Warren w/ Bam Katraz
2. Women Match: Jennidee beat Shenaynay
3. IwW International Champion Vic Viper beat Bingo Ballance
4. Irish Dragon & Brother Skelly defeated Dillon Jones & Ballymun Bruiser
5. Kid Kash & ZG Champ Red Vinny beat Tracy Smothers & Bam Katraz w/ LA Warren

IwW @ Thomas Davis GAA, Tallaght, Dublin, Oct 28th 2007:
1. Captain Rooney pinned 'Angry' Andy Barton
2. Conor Hurley & 'The Kid' Keith Connolly beat Rick O'Shea & Wayne Daly
3. Women's 3-Way Match: Tara Doyle beat Jennidee & Shenaynay
4. IwW International Champion Vic Viper pinned Tracy Smothers
5. Zero Gravity Champ Red Vinny pinned Bam Katraz
6. LA Warren & Ballymun Bruiser beat Kid Kash & Bingo Ballance, Warren pinned Kash.

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LIVE REPORT: IRISH WHIP WRESTLING FIFTH ANNIVERSARY TOUR WITH TRACY SMOTHERS, KID KASH & MORE
by Michael Campbell @ 12:40:38 PM on 10/30/2007


Irish Whip 5th Anniversary Tour:

Newry 26/10/07

By Michael Campbell

ack in July, I had the pleasure of attending an Irish Whip Wrestling show in Waterford, Global Impact (DVD review coming soon!) A stacked card, it was a triumph, which greatly benefited from the visiting CIMA and Dragon Kid from Dragon Gate, in addition to former WWE Star, Kid Kash, and from Pro Wrestling NOAH, Ippei Ota, and former GHC Takeshi Rikio. At the time, my review stated :

Irish Whip delivered, producing what I felt, was an enjoyable show. Quality wise, much of it was akin to a 1PW event, but without the disappointments in terms of no-shows etc.. They produced exactly what they proposed to… I’ll certainly be checking these guys out again, and I hope next time, the card is rounded out with another few regulars, as I’d like to see if the other Irish Whip guys have as much promise as the majority of those I’ve seen.

So it was with excitement that I headed to Newry for part of the promotion’s successful 5th Anniversary tour, a tour that included, El Generico, Tracy Smothers, Kid Kash, and a couple of Dragon Gate performers. The venue, Newry Town Hall, is a great location for such events, however, it did have the bizarre addition of having seats being placed on the stage of the hall, which made me feel as if those seated there would erupt into song at any moment. Still, a nice location, and the crowd, which I’m guessing was about 150, looked pretty much to capacity.

-The show kicked off with Mad Man Manson coming to the ring, and getting himself into a triple threat match for later tonight with LA Warren, and Rugged Dylan Jones. Good opening segment.

Zero Gravity Championship No1 Contenders Match

Sean Scott vs. Bam Katraz

Contrary to the last time I saw him, Bam is now playing a comedy heel here. And he is extremely effective at it. He still has the stoner/grungey look, which looks better as a bad guy anyways, and recalls the Christian character of 2000, which can only be a good thing. Scott is a wrestler I’m accustomed to, having seen his work numerous times in Ulster Championship Wrestling, however I’ve never enjoyed watching him.

The match cantered around Sean Scott’s height and strength advantage, and they did a good job in convincing the crowd that Scott is the stronger. Throughout this short match, Bam interacted a great deal with the kids in the crowd, telling the referee that one in particular hit him, and using him as a distraction. The majority of the action saw Scott being worn down with Chokes, and a variety of heel tactics, coming back with his power moves. The finish came when Katraz hooked the tights following a sunset flip, for the thee count. Decent match, established both guys roles, and emphasized Katraz’s chicken-**** heel routine, heading into his title shot later. The played to both guys strengths here.

International Heavyweight Championship Match

Vic Viper vs. Mandrake

I was very surprised to see this title match occur so early, but by the end of it, it completely made sense. Vic came to the ring with Tracy Smothers, and The Ballymun Bruiser, as a heel unit, that somehow, instantly clicked for me. They cut a promo, which was basically Tracy running down the Newry crowd, and Mandrake (from Newry himself), and making his usual comical threats. It was very entertaining, and the predominantly family orientated crowd loved it.

Mandrake got a great reception coming to the ring, and the match started out hot. There was a huge amount of heel interference throughout this highly entertaining encounter. Viper, as usual showed great ability, while Mandrake looked very impressive in front of his home-town fans. If I have one criticism of his ring-style, it’s that sometimes he perhaps looks a little soft, a little reluctant to go full force. But he definitely showed a great deal of potential, and it helped that both of these guys seemed willing to try some innovative spots. The finish came when The Bruiser ran in with the confederate flag, and tried to hit Mandrake, who dodged it, clobbering the floundering fool, but was caught with it by the referee, who assumed that he was using it against his opponent, hence he was disqualified. Afterwards, Kid Kash hit the ring, to a good response, and they set up a tag match for the main event.

Good match. The interference was enjoyable, and pretty well balanced with what these two were doing in the ring, and this is the sort of crowd that you know would eat up the tag team main event.

She Nay Nay vs. Jennidee

First time seeing these two ladies, though She Nay Nay has worked in OVW from what I’ve heard. She came out first, and immediately assumed the heel role, getting mouthy at the crowd. She was very into this, and the fans were all over her. She has a really good look, but also seemed very confident in doing her thing, which is always good.

There’s was lots of stalling to start this. Jennidee showed great fire during her entrance, but not so much during the opening of the bout, which sort of lost the crowd. I can’t understand why they started with the baby face applying a series of long headlocks. It would have made much more sense to work with Jennidee getting some offence in, to get the fans on her side. Otherwise, this was okay, but basic action, too slow-paced for many of the young fans. If the beginning had been a little more dynamic, I’m sure they would have been much more interested. There wasn’t anything bad about it however, it just was a little too simplistic. But for my money, it’s important to try and expose younger fans to clean, non-exploitative women’s wrestling as much as possible, so that was a plus. I was later informed by Jennidee that they were both feeling each other out, and overcoming obvious differences, having not worked together a great deal. Both ladies have a great deal of potential.

Zero Gravity Championship Match

Bam Katraz vs. Red Vinny©

I was looking forward to this one, having seen Katraz’s great work earlier in the show, and being familiar with Vinny from past shows. Vinny, for my money, is the standout grappler on the Irish Whip roster. This started out at a high-tempo, with the usual action you would expect from two cruiserweights. The fans were really into it, riding Katraz the whole way. Early on, Red Vinny attempted a 619, which his opponent dodged, leading to a period where he had his leg worked over. Really nice stuff here, plus the inclusion of the 619 attempt ensured that the younger members of the crowd were all on the edge of their seats, awaiting the next attempt. They mixed Bam’s stalling, and cocky antics up with the back-and-forth sequences, which was great fun, while making Bam look like such a mug. Numerous times saw him jaw with the crowd, rather than go for a pin, which totally played into his character.

Late on, the referee appeared to mess up a three-count, which lead to some audience confusion. It was unclear whether the kickout was late… but I don’t think so. Either way, it didn’t detract from what was overall, an entertaining match, that saw Vinny retain his title, though one that ran shorter than I had predicted. I also missed the finish, as the guy sat directly in front of me continually tilted his head to the side at crucial moments, which was almost as well-rehearsed as a Randy Orton headlock.

Mad Man Manson vs. Rugged Dylan Jones vs. LA Warren

This was a triple threat match, but it played out as a handicap match the entire way, as Warren and Jones paired up, and didn’t do the dissension that usually occurs in these scenarios. Refreshing change I guess. My friend told me he wouldn’t be surprised to see Manson end up in the WWE, which is a testament to how great he is at portraying his wacky character. Even though he’s always completely ridiculous, he’s also always entirely believable!

The heels double-teamed Manson from the get-go, which immediately had the crowd fired up, behind their mentally askew hero. They also engaged in some comical dancing, which is the sort of thing that only works in wrestling when someone involved can pull it off as well as Manson did here.

A little later in the match, Warren and Jones teased that they couldn’t get along, but they didn’t follow through, but Manson picked up the win anyhow. This was good fun the whole way. LA Warren looked particularly impressive.

Kid Kash & Mandrake vs. The Ballymun Bruiser & Tracy Smothers

If you’ve seen Tracy Smothers wrestle before, over the past few years, You’ll know what to expect from this, which isn’t a bad thing. Hugely entertaining spectacle, with much audience interaction. The crowd were really hot as this one began, especially as many of them were seeing live wrestling for the first time. In that respect, they really lapped up Kid Kash.

Tracy worked the crowd for absolutely ages on the microphone, calling Newry “the armpit of the world”, and telling fans they were ugly, and only had “two teeth in their heads”. Funny stuff. He did his usual routine of offering Kid Kash some, err…cash to turn on Mandrake. He actually was generous this time out, offering him both Pounds and Euros. Kash refused, telling us that he had Irish ancestry, but doing so with tongue firmly in cheek. Crowd went with it, and the match began.

Lots of stalling in this one, and very little wrestling. But it was entertainment throughout, especially when Smothers issued threats such as giving his opponents the “wrestling lesson of their lives”. Mandrake of course, was able to pick up the win, and get his revenge from earlier, gaining a nice hometown pop for his troubles. He looked really convincing here, dominating the match. Kid Kash did surprisingly little in the actual match, which led me to believe he may have had an injury of some sort. Kash put him over on the mic afterwards, and the crowd sang “Nah Nah Nag, hey, hey, good bye!” to the heels, albeit somewhat disjointedly. Good way to end the show.

Afterwards, they announced they would be back in March, with Eugene (Nick Dinsmore), which should be really good fun.

Overall, this was an enjoyable show. The match of the evening was Vinny vs. Katraz, although the main event was so entertaining and silly, that it almost eclipsed it. While in general, it was nowhere near the standard of Global Impact (how could they match the standard of CIMA/Viper, and the guest appearances of guys like Doug Williams, and a frickin’ former GHC Champion?) there was little chance it could be. As part of a busy tour, these guys clearly absolutely had their work cut out, and were probably exhausted. Indeed, I was disappointed that the roster was so thin for this show, as opposed to , for example, the Waterford show earlier in the week. But that’s understandable given the insane schedule that these guys have been running for the past week or two. Plus, the important thing is, the show went down a storm with the youngish crowd in Newry, and almost certainly guarantees that the promotion will be treated to another successful gate upon their return. Another noteworthy point, is that IWW seem to have taken care of the poor security situation that slightly marred the Waterford event (an issue I hear is to do with the venue itself). There were no kids running around the ring and touching wrestlers as they tried to work, on this occasion. Despite that, once again, the guys were extremely open to the crowd, with autographs, and pictures being done at various times. Kash in particular, is fantastic in dealing with people. I look forward to the return, and hope to see more action of the calibre of what Red Vinny, Mandrake, and Vic Viper produced on this night.

Kev Rocks

FFPW Presents Night of Champions on the 1st of December 2007 in the Finglas Youth Centre, Finglas, Co. Dublin.

The NWA Ireland Tag Team Titles will be on the line in a Triple Threat Tag Team Match. When Team Mega will defend their titles against Sir Michael W. Winchester & Aguila Artois of The Regency Socitey and also The Hawksworth Brothers who are also part of the Regency Socitey.

More Matches will be annouced in the coming days, stay tuned to nwaireland.com for more information.

Kev Rocks

NWA Ireland 'Christmas Crackdown' - Thursday Dec 13th, Bray Co. Wicklow.

NWA Ireland presents 'Christmas Crackdown' on Thursday night December 13th at 7.30pm at Ballywaltrim Community Centre in Bray, Co. Wicklow.

Already confirmed - in tag team action Rocky Romero (of NJPW, ROH, PWG, CMLL and Pro Wrestling NOAH) fame is set to team with one half of the NWA World Tag Team Champions, and former NWA British Commonwealth Champion Karl 'Machine Gun' Anderson. 'Team USA' as they have dubbed themselves for this encounter will step into the Lions Den for this match when they go head to head with Bray, Co. Wicklows own tag team of former two-time NWA-UK Champion and longest ever reigning NWA British Commonwealth Champion Paul Tracey and former two-time NWA British Commonwealth Champion and current NJPW Superstar Fergal Devitt. This will be the first time the duo, who once gained the name 'Team Ireland', after teaming successfully in Ireland, England, Scotland, Wales, Canada and the USA have competed as a team in Bray since 2005 and wont want to let their homefans down, but will no doubt have their hands full in the shape of Romero and Anderson.

Also on the card - NWA Ireland is pleased to annouce the in-ring return of former NWA Ireland Champion Sean 'Maxer' Brennan. 'Maxer' is been thrown straight in at the deep end in a 'Traditional Last Man Standing Match'. The rules are as follows - pinfalls/submissions cannot occur in the ring. Once a person is pinned or submits, the have a 10 count by the referee to return to the ring. If that person cannot make the count, the match ends and the participant loses the match. If he can make it back to the ring however, the match resumes and the process is repeated until somebody cannot make the count. There are no countouts or disqualifications in this match. 'Maxers' opponent on the night is a former two time NWA Ireland Champion and two time NWA Ireland Tag Team Champion...... Adam Abz.

Also in the Main Event - the NWA Ireland Title will be on the line with yet another international theme - Phil 'The Thrill' Boyd steps into action against a yet unannounced opponent from the United Kingdom in another 'Ireland V UK Showdown'. Boyd, who is also a former two-time NWA Ireland Tag Team Champion has so far since his Title Win on April 1st, has taken the NWA Ireland Title to England, Spain, the USA, and Canada as well as defending it back home is confident of victory even tho he doesnt yet know his opponent, and plans on keeping the title aroung his waist for a long time to come.

Also currently set for action - A NWA Ireland Tag Team Title Match, Team Mega, 'The Inve$tment' Ross Browne, Heavy D, the returning 'Beautiful' Benny B and many more still to be announced.

Admission is on the door on the night and is just €10 for adults and €8 for children under 12 years. Children under 12 must me accompanied by an adult. Card is subject to change. Right of admission is reserved, and more details on matches and talent will be released as it becomes available in upconing days and weeks right here on www.nwaireland.com

Fozzy

Fergal Devitt, Rocky Romero, I'm there! Unless I end up having an exam the next day

eggs

Monday 12th Novermber - IwW, Donneycarney Youth Centre, Dublin, Ireland



Zero Gravity Championship 3 way: 'The Heretic' Red Vinny (c) defeated Brother Skelly and Bingo Ballance


Mad Man Manson, Mandrake & Captain Rooney defeated The Ballymun Bruiser, LA Warren & Vic Viper




Note: These matches were a part of the anti-drug open day entertainments in association with Donneycarney Youth Centre and www.freetobeme.ie

flahavaj

Professional wrestlers at an anti-drugs open day. Oh that's good.:rolleyes:

eggs

flahavaj wrote: »

Professional wrestlers at an anti-drugs open day. Oh that's good.:rolleyes:

Yes, it was very good.

Many people in general are of the same bi-ased opinion as Flahavaj, they comment without knowing any facts about drugs in Irish Wrestling. IwW spoke to many young childern, teenagers and their famlies about the dangers of drugs in everyday life and how young people can avoid them on a daily basis. We demonstrated that its all about 'Personal Choice' and 'Consequences'
.

The IwW Wrestlers also covered the dangers of Steriods in wrestling. Not one single member of the IwW Roster takes Steriods, thats a fact we are very proud of.

flahavaj

Who said anything about steroids? One look at the pasty little bodies on Red Vinny et al would be enough to confirm that they're not on roids. There's plenty other types of drugs that litter every lockerroom from IWW to WWE, its a fact of life.:rolleyes:

ShawnRaven

Please bear in mind that caffeine and alcohol are drugs, so flahavaj didn't necessesarily mean class A's or anything

VR!
(keeping it nice and ambigious)

flahavaj

Why of course. And nicotine too.:D

leggo

flahavaj if you have an actual legitimate statement to make (as opposed to general rhetoric that sounds like it makes a point but is really just ill-informed fluff) then I suggest you make it.

You say that drugs litter every locker room from IwW to WWE. If you have ever been in the IwW locker room, then feel free to state your opinion. Otherwise, you are ignorant making claims that you're entirely unable to reinforce.

Drugs are apart of everyday life, not just wrestling. From sport to Hollywood to millionaire businessmen to the payroll section of your local paper-making company, even all the way down to whatever job that you find yourself working in at the moment. Dig deep enough and you'll find that wherever you look drugs are around us. It's a societal problem.

But for you to insinuate that the IwW locker room is involved in mass (or even minor) usage of drugs as (whether your post was sarcastic or attempted humour or not) you did, is not only grossly incorrect but near slander.

As eggs has already stated, Irish Whip Wrestling is wholly against the usage of steroids and any form of illegal narcotics. In fact, for over the past year IwW wrestlers have engaged in numerous talks and lectures in schools across the country that involve a section on healthy-eating and healthy-living, including using the influence our wrestlers now have in the respected communities to publically criticise the usage of drugs.

You can dig as deep as you like, you can make as many erratic claims as you like, but I will stand here proudly as a member of the IwW backroom staff and confidently say that there is no such problem as the one that you've implied within the promotion. It is a policy we intend to keep in place for the indefinite future and one that we are very proud of.

I would think carefully before making your offensive and woefully ignorant comments.

ShawnRaven

leggo wrote: »

Drugs are apart of everyday life, not just wrestling. From sport to Hollywood to millionaire businessmen to the payroll section of your local paper-making company, even all the way down to whatever job that you find yourself working in at the moment. Dig deep enough and you'll find that wherever you look drugs are around us. It's a societal problem.

But for you to insinuate that the IwW locker room is involved in mass (or even minor) usage of drugs as (whether your post was sarcastic or attempted humour or not) you did, is not only grossly incorrect but near slander.

Those two paragraphs do tend to contradict each other, especially if you say "Drugs are a part of everyday life and not just wrestling", implying that they are actually a problem. But hey, you're not telling us anything we don't already know, right?

Also btw, he was nowhere near slander. Slander is spoken word. The term you be looking for would be liabel, which deals with everything in writing or in print.

VR!

flahavaj

leggo wrote: »

flahavaj if you have an actual legitimate statement to make (as opposed to general rhetoric that sounds like it makes a point but is really just ill-informed fluff) then I suggest you make it.

You say that drugs litter every locker room from IwW to WWE. If you have ever been in the IwW locker room, then feel free to state your opinion. Otherwise, you are ignorant making claims that you're entirely unable to reinforce.

Drugs are apart of everyday life, not just wrestling. From sport to Hollywood to millionaire businessmen to the payroll section of your local paper-making company, even all the way down to whatever job that you find yourself working in at the moment. Dig deep enough and you'll find that wherever you look drugs are around us. It's a societal problem.

But for you to insinuate that the IwW locker room is involved in mass (or even minor) usage of drugs as (whether your post was sarcastic or attempted humour or not) you did, is not only grossly incorrect but near slander.

I think VR has pretty much hit the nail on the head with regards the inherent contradiction above. In fact you quite ironically sound like Vince McMahon with his "name me a sport that doesn't have a drug problem" from the death Grip documentary! You're defence of your employer, while understandable and no-doubt heartfelt really does more damage than good when you start to make such a silly statement as the one in bold above. We all know drugs are a societal problem, that goes without saying, we all know that they are in ALL walks of society: but its pretty laughable to make that statement and then in the next breath categorically deny their existence in a particular section of the sporting world that has had a more damning record of drug taking than any other.

flahavaj

leggo wrote: »

As eggs has already stated, Irish Whip Wrestling is wholly against the usage of steroids and any form of illegal narcotics. In fact, for over the past year IwW wrestlers have engaged in numerous talks and lectures in schools across the country that involve a section on healthy-eating and healthy-living, including using the influence our wrestlers now have in the respected communities to publically criticise the usage of drugs.

You can dig as deep as you like, you can make as many erratic claims as you like, but I will stand here proudly as a member of the IwW backroom staff and confidently say that there is no such problem as the one that you've implied within the promotion. It is a policy we intend to keep in place for the indefinite future and one that we are very proud of.

I would think carefully before making your offensive and woefully ignorant comments.

My original comment was merely pointing out the irony of a professional wrestlers lecturing anyone on the subject of drug taking of all things. Both yourself and eggs get very touchy, butt-sore and defensive whenever anyone says anything they don'y want to hear about IWW.

Really after a while it gets a little tiresome and when self proclaimed employees of the company come on a public forum and start whining about slander when someone makes a light hearted comment, you just make yourselves and by extension, the company look petty, over defensive and really quite foolish. Really if guys like you are the best PR they can muster then IWW should probably just say nothing at all because you're not one ounce of help in reality and your comments above are proof positive.

eggs

flahavaj wrote: »

My original comment was merely pointing out the irony of a professional wrestlers lecturing anyone on the subject of drug taking of all things.

Hence the reply from a Pro-Wrestling group. I could have simply e-mailed admin@boards.ie to complain.

flahavaj wrote: »

Both yourself and eggs get very touchy, butt-sore and defensive whenever anyone says anything they don'y want to hear about IWW. .

Boards members need only look at your post history to see you always post negetive towards IwW. Nothing new.

flahavaj

eggs wrote: »

Hence the reply from a Pro-Wrestling group. I could have simply e-mailed admin@boards.ie to complain.




Boards members need only look at your post history to see you always post negetive towards IwW. Nothing new.

Of course you could have emailed them. Then again you could just let the admins here to do their jobs, they know me well enough to see I'm not a wind up merchant and I make decent contribution to debate around here. They haven't seen fit to remove or indeed even comment on my post. Maybe they can see the funny side to the whole thing, even if you can't my friend.

As for the little post history jibe, the truth is that I'm not even in the slightest bit interested in IWW, their product is of such low quality that it passes WAY below my radar. Certainly look at my previous posts, I think you'll find that in general they're positive, constructive and well thought out, no matter what the topic. I doubt out of the 150 odd posts I've made here, you'll find even 5 posts on the topic of IWW, as I said I couldn't care less about them.

You really need to tone down the defensiveness and unwarranted sense of outrage as I said earlier its not reflecting very well on your company.

HI V

flahavaj wrote: »

the truth is that I'm not even in the slightest bit interested in IWW, their product is of such low quality that it passes WAY below my radar.

Because NLW, CPW and NWA Irelands product is of such a higher calibre?:D:D

HI V

Or How About 'american Wrestling'! ORIG WILLIAMS RUINED MY CHILDHOOD WITH THOSE ****TY SHOWS!

flahavaj

HI V wrote: »

Because NLW, CPW and NWA Irelands product is of such a higher calibre?:D:D

That's beside the point really, although the calibre of talents produced by NWA Ireland certainly seems superior.

jeffk

flahavaj wrote: »

Of course you could have emailed them. Then again you could just let the admins here to do their jobs, they know me well enough to see I'm not a wind up merchant and I make decent contribution to debate around here.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
i think somones on the very thing he says most of wrestling is on right there :rolleyes:

flahavaj wrote: »

.As for the little post history jibe, the truth is that I'm not even in the slightest bit interested in IWW, their product is of such low quality that it passes WAY below my radar.

AND thats why hes has been and did reregistor wit the IWW forum

flahavaj

jeffk wrote: »

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
i think somones on the very thing he says most of wrestling is on right there :rolleyes:



AND thats why hes has been and did reregistor wit the IWW forum

Oh dear, you again. Its no secret I'm registered on the IWW forum, as are/were quite a few people on here. If I wanted to disguise the fact, I'd hardly have used the same username now would i, not when there are razor sharp super sleuths around, like yourself, to keep tabs on me anyway.:rolleyes: It used to be quite a fun place actually, before the influx of idiots dragged the level of conversation down to that of three year olds.

I'm perfectly entitled to express my opinion on IWW if I so choose, in the same way that people do about WWE, ROH and anything else wrestling related. Its not a crime to have an opinion.

And jeff, personal vendettas are fine on the wilderness of IWW boards where the sound of the tumbleweed pasing is the only thing that makes the day interesting for you and you friends. But bringing them on here is just plain silly. Grow up man, seriously.

jeffk

flahavaj wrote: »

Oh dear, you again. Its no secret I'm registered on the IWW forum, as are/were quite a few people on here. If I wanteed to disguise the fact, I'd hardly have used the same PASSWORD, not when there are raor sharp super sleuths around to keep tabs on me.:rolleyes: It used to be quite a fun place before the influx of idiots dragged the level of conversation down to that of three year olds.

I'm perfectly entitled to express my opinion on IWW if I so choose, in the same way that people do about WWE, ROH and anything else wrestling related.Its not a crime to have an opinion.

And jeff, personal vendettas are fine on the wilderness of IWW boards where the sound of the tumbleweed pasing is the only thing that makes the day interesting for you and you friends. But bringing them on here is just plain silly. Grow up man, seriously.

Oh and i think you meant username

Ah no this is more fun,i mean the forum(iww) WAS building back up till in EVERY topic you had a negative view and bashed people.
So lets have it hear and that way iwws name doesnt get tarnesd,much as people like u would love tht

Ham'nd'egger

flahavaj wrote: »

That's beside the point really, although the calibre of talents produced by NWA Ireland certainly seems superior.

Flahvaj, two questions if you could...

May I ask you if you have been to an Irish Whip or NWA show before, and if yes, how many?

And do you think that Irish Whip working at a drugs awareness is a good thing, yes or no?

flahavaj

Hamndegger wrote: »

Flahvaj, two questions if you could...

May I ask you if you have been to an Irish Whip or NWA show before, and if yes, how many?

And do you think that Irish Whip working at a drugs awareness is a good thing, yes or no?

Certainly. I've been to 4 IWW shows actually. I went on each occasion because the draws were international talent: Styles/ Daniels/Sabin/Raven/Go Shiosaki etc. Having witnessed the action first hand I have formed the opinion that the home grown talent of IWW is pretty poor in standard and not worth me spending my money on them alone. If in future they import any more international stars that I fancy seeing I'll pop along again and sit through the bad wrestling they put on if it means getting to see someone I mightn't otherwise get the opportunity to see. I've been to one NWA ireland show and thougt the in ring work was superior to IWW and in general the emphasis on in ring action to be more to my liking.

And of course the IWW drugs thingy is a good thing. How could it possibly not be? This whole kerfuffle started over a comment that pointed out the drug problems in wrestling as a whole, not a dig at IWW as others have taken it.

And thank you for putting your questions in a civilised manner that promotes constructive debate. You're the only one to be reasonable about this thus far and not find accusations that really aren't there.:D

flahavaj

jeffk wrote: »

Oh and i think you meant username

Ah no this is more fun,i mean the forum(iww) WAS building back up till in EVERY topic you had a negative view and bashed people.
So lets have it hear and that way iwws name doesnt get tarnesd,much as people like u would love tht

Oh and i think you need an apostrophe with IWW, I think you mmeant tarnished and "that" actually has an "a" in it.:rolleyes:

You see its easy to be petty and childish jeff and we could do it all day but there's no way i'm going to play that game with you. If you can't debate reasonably like the rest of us then leave well alone, you're way out of your depth.

jeffk

flahavaj wrote: »

Oh and i think you need an apostrophe with IWW, I think you mmeant tarnished and "that" actually has an "a" in it.:rolleyes:

You see its easy to be petty and childish jeff and we could do it all day but there's no way i'm going to play that game with you. If you can't debate reasonably like the rest of us then leave well alone, you're way out of your depth.

Nah im of to work work now,we all cant sit keyboard warrioring all day
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flahavaj

jeffk wrote: »

Nah im of to work work now,we all cant sit keyboard warrioring all day
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Wise choice junior.;)

ShawnRaven

I like to give personal abuse!

flahavaj

validreasoning! wrote: »

I like to give personal abuse!

Well I didn't want to say.............:D:D:D:D:D:D:D