Docklands Station opening

KC61

Jip wrote:

And no room on the trains to accomodate the users of these cars ! Sometime only a handful of people manage to get onto the train at Ashtown.

The plan is for only the Docklands trains to call at Phoenix Park - so that might not be as big a problem as you think given that they start at Clonsilla.

Skyhater

KC61 wrote:

The plan is for only the Docklands trains to call at Phoenix Park - so that might not be as big a problem as you think given that they start at Clonsilla.

Dockland Trains also stop at Ashtown.....doesn't help the problem there
Just to confirm.... Phoenix park will be served by both Docklands and Connolly/Pearse services.

The problem is that most people want to go to City Centre....Not Docklands. This station only really suits people working in the IFSC (especially the East part).

Given a choice:
1) Stand on a cramped train
2) Walk/Take Bus from docklands to the City Centre/West IFSC

Most people pick option 1)

KC61

Skyhater wrote:

Dockland Trains also stop at Ashtown.....doesn't help the problem there
Just to confirm.... Phoenix park will be served by both Docklands and Connolly/Pearse services.

The problem is that most people want to go to City Centre....Not Docklands. This station only really suits people working in the IFSC (especially the East part).

Given a choice:
1) Stand on a cramped train
2) Walk/Take Bus from docklands to the City Centre/West IFSC

Most people pick option 1)

As I understand it Phoenix Park will ONLY be served by trains going to Docklands. The existing services through to Connolly/Pearse will not stop there Monday/Friday.

BendiBus

Skyhater wrote:

Just to confirm.... Phoenix park will be served by both Docklands and Connolly/Pearse services.

Only Docklands trains will serve Phoenix Park.

Victor

http://www.transport.ie/viewitem.asp?id=8897&lang=ENG&loc=2126

Cullen welcomes opening of Docklands Station by An Taoiseach, Bertie Ahern, TD
12 March 2007

Transport Minister, Martin Cullen TD, this afternoon welcomed the opening by An Taoiseach, Bertie Ahern, TD of the new Docklands Station located close to the Irish Financial Services Centre and the communities of East Wall and Sheriff Street. Representing an investment of €20 million under the Government's programme Transport 21 and delivered three months ahead of schedule, (and under budget), Docklands Station will provide 15 new Irish Rail scheduled services each way, each day from Docklands to Clonsilla in West Dublin. The new route will service stops at Broombridge, Ashtown, Castleknock, Coolmine and Clonsilla. Journey time from the Docklands to Clonsilla will be 20 minutes.

Minister Martin Cullen said: "The new station, funded under Transport 21 and the EU Structural Fund, is another step in our ongoing sustained efforts to develop and extend public transport services in Dublin. This Government is committed to improving facilities for those who opt to leave the car at home and take public transport. Over the last 10 years, we have invested €1.63 billion in the rail network to upgrade services and provide better passenger comfort. Iarnród Éireann carried 43 million passengers in 2006, up 14% on the 2005 figure making it now one of the fastest growing railway networks in Europe". The Minister added: "I would like to congratulate Iarnród Éireann and its contractors on the delivery of this project ahead of time and under the original budget. I would also like to acknowledge the interest and support the local community has given to this rail development".

The 15 services will provide a capacity for 2,500 additional peak commuters daily, with the potential to increase services and capacity to 10,000 peak commuters.

Services will also call at the new Phoenix Park Station due to open at the end of 2007. This new Docklands to Clonsilla service is in addition to the 30 existing Maynooth-Connolly-Pearse Station services.

The Docklands Station will connect with new Dublin Bus services. The number 151 will allow customers travel to the city centre and onwards to Clondalkin. The number 93 will act as a feeder service to O'Connell Bridge. The Luas Red Line extension, from Connolly Station to the Docklands will also allow for an interchange between the Docklands Station and the Luas.

The new station, with an enclosed concourse area, is designed to ensure access for mobility and sensory impaired customers. It is the first new city centre railway station in the capital since a station was opened in Tara Street in 1891.


Editor's note:

Other developments in rail provision in Ireland include*:

€400 million investment in 183 new rail carriages. The first of these new state of the art railcars, to service Sligo, arrived from Korea on 6 March last.

€950 million investment in the railway safety programme to upgrade the route tracks. (Over 420 miles of track; 300 miles of new fencing; renewing or replacing of over 120 bridges and upgrading or closing of level crossings).

Hourly train service on the Dublin to Cork route - 67 new rail carriages are already in service on this route.

The upgrade of the DART service which has seen an increase of capacity at peak hours from 14,000 in 2000 to 27,000 passengers today.

The Kildare Route Project more tracks to be put in place to allow for additional capacity and stations at Kishogue, Adamstown, and an upgraded station at Hazelhatch.

The re-opening of the Clonsilla to Navan railway line and the Western Rail Corridor.

The redevelopment of Heuston Station, Dublin which involved the complete redesign of the station, increasing platform numbers and re-tracking and re-signalling the approaches to the station allowing for greater flexibility.

*This is in addition to Luas, Metro and bus development projects.

Victor

Aparently Bertie said the people who said that Docklands would never be built were begrudgers. Who said it would never be built?

MarkoP11

Me thinks Bertie is as confused as the driver of the 7:45 to Docklands on opening day, next stop Spencer Dock

Unless someone takes Cullen out of the equation (as well as the civil servant pulling the strings) you can say bye bye to most of T21 since they won't allow any freedom to the companies to just get on with it

You think Irish Rail wanted to put on show the new railcar, very much doubt it after all second Cullen arrived it was unlocked, second he left they locked it up, IE management deny it but Cullen runs everything to his timetable

Ste.phen

Victor wrote:

Aparently Bertie said the people who said that Docklands would never be built were begrudgers. Who said it would never be built?

He probably assumed, based on almost every other public and/or private and/or PPP construction project in this country.

That, or he was referring to the PDs

Skyhater

BendiBus wrote:

Only Docklands trains will serve Phoenix Park.

Not according to Tom Finn (IE's T21 Manager) in the recent Webcast. (See here)

But I wouldn't be supprised if he was talking a load of rubbish!!!!

monument

MarkoP11 wrote:

Me thinks Bertie is as confused as the driver of the 7:45 to Docklands on opening day, next stop Spencer Dock

The Irish Times called the new station “Spencer Dock train station” in the headline and within the article twice referred to it as ‘Spencer Dock Station’. The only use of the word ‘Docklands’ is “The station is at the centre of the docklands regeneration area”. Maybe the driver reads the IT?

Pineapple stu

The station is known localy as spencer dock.

monument

cymro wrote:

The station is known localy as spencer dock.

Even if true, that's not the point. The "paper of record" in question did not state 'known localy as spencer dock'.

Pineapple stu

My reply was to the post suggesting that the driver of the 7;45 was confused. When that station was being built it was known as the spencer dock project as that where it is. Docklands/spencer dock call it what you want, its the same as westland row/pearse, amiens st/ connolly stations.

icdg

Not quite the same.

Westland Row / Pearse refers to the previous and present names of the same station

Docklands and Spencer Dock are two different stations - Docklands is the existing surface station serving as a terminus for some Maynooth line services. Spencer Dock is a proposed station, which will be a through underground station on the proposed Interconnector tunnel, which will become DART Line 2 from Howth to Hazelhatch.

Slice

Where is the Phoenix Park sation going to be located? Is it the platform you can see at the southside entrance to the Phoenix Park tunnel on the top deck of a bus out to Islandbridge, or is that part of Heuston? It's quite far to be part of Heuston...

loyatemu

Slice wrote:

Where is the Phoenix Park sation going to be located? Is it the platform you can see at the southside entrance to the Phoenix Park tunnel on the top deck of a bus out to Islandbridge, or is that part of Heuston? It's quite far to be part of Heuston...

off the Navan Rd on the Maynooth line. The platform you're referring to is Hueston platform 10.

Winters

icdg wrote:

Not quite the same.

Westland Row / Pearse refers to the previous and present names of the same station

Docklands and Spencer Dock are two different stations - Docklands is the existing surface station serving as a terminus for some Maynooth line services. Spencer Dock is a proposed station, which will be a through underground station on the proposed Interconnector tunnel, which will become DART Line 2 from Howth to Hazelhatch.

Most of the recent IE maps have actually dropped the Spencer Dock name for the future station completely and replaced it with 'Docklands'.

RPA still retain the Spencer Dock name though.

Enigma365

The Spencer Dock proper station is going to be in a different location to the Docklands station. It is going to be down by the river. AFAIK, the docklands station is only a temporary station that will be replaced by the Spencer Dock station, when built.

Also, I'm not certain if the Docklands station is even located in Spencer Dock proper, although I'm not familiar enough with the exact defintion of spencer dock to say for sure.

MarkoP11

Correctly speaking the Docklands Station is in Spencer Dock north. Fact is most people couldn't find Spencer Dock if you asked them so Docklands is a safer name.

Its not as if Irish Rail ever make up there mind on station names, Fairview became Clontarf Rd, Barrow Street became Grand Canal Dock (that was such a late decision that they recorded Barrow Street for the computer pa). River Rd is actually the correct name of Phoenix Park and the much talked about Grange Rd is either Baldoyle (already on the computer PA) or Clongriffen

The confusion arises since Irish Rail had a tentative plan to build a underground station at Spencer Dock now and to plug the interconnector into it later. With this in mind the 29000 series railcars where designed to operate underground if required. Of course we all assumed that the surface station would in fact be in Spencer Dock but alas no

KC61

patrickc2006 wrote:

the 91 seems to be gone now in its place?

Just to prove that the 91 is alive and well and still operating.....

http://p201.ezboard.com/fbustravelirelandfrm30.showMessage?topicID=22.topic

Victor

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