Can PokerEvents please reply to this?

Scotty #

I have no connection to PE what so ever and this is really none of my business but hey, its a public forum. I really can't see what the problem is on this occasion.

PE are offering a rate of pay to deal on the day, if you don't like it - don't do it.

The "if you don't do this, you won't be offered work again" line is very common business practise and I see nothing wrong with it. If the phone call did take place on Stephen's night I wouldn't "appreciate it" either. The company I work for don't pay sick pay but some companies do. PE don't pay a "call-out" but some companies do. Again, if you don't like it - don't do it.

There are a few top class dealers in this country and then there are all the "casual" dealers who make up the majority of dealers at events. PE and other organisers know there is an abundance of these casual dealers and most of them are students who could really do with the money. This means they're going to be exploited to a certain extent from time to time but nobody and I mean NOBODY, can do anything about this but the dealers themselves.

As far as I can see quiet a few dealers post here so maybe start by lobbying the mods for a Dealer sub-forum (don't antes-up have a dealer news letter? maybe they would host it?) where you can discuss your views/grievances and start a proper dealer organisation to try and get the conditions/terms you are looking for. I think if its done right you will have the support of the players.

kincsem

Scotty # wrote:

As far as I can see quiet a few dealers post here so maybe start by lobbying the mods for a Dealer sub-forum (don't antes-up have a dealer news letter? maybe they would host it?) where you can discuss your views/grievances and start a proper dealer organisation to try and get the conditions/terms you are looking for. I think if its done right you will have the support of the players.

That's a good idea. But can the mods restrict it to dealers and organisers?

bohsman

Scotty # wrote:

As far as I can see quiet a few dealers post here so maybe start by lobbying the mods for a Dealer sub-forum (don't antes-up have a dealer news letter? maybe they would host it?) where you can discuss your views/grievances and start a proper dealer organisation to try and get the conditions/terms you are looking for. I think if its done right you will have the support of the players.

Ive been looking to set something like this up but on a far greater scale but Im heading off to Australia Asap so unless I can find someone to get it up and running while Im away a forum would probably be a half decent stopgap.

Lafortezza

You can get a private forum here on boards. Go to the 'forums' forum under the System drop down menu at the top right of the page. Make a new request thread, get a few people posting their support for the idea and the admins might create it for you.
Get someone responsible to be a mod of the forum and they can give access to the dealers who want in.

DeVore

Administrator Hat On!

I think there are better ways of handling things then a subforum, I'm open to the idea though.

As for criticism of companies publically... our policy on Boards is that if you use Boards to make people aware of your "thing" then you must accept their right to make you aware of their "problems". Its been like that since its inception. I've been dragged over the coals here myself and welcome constructive feedback.

DeV.

PokerEvents-Ste

This will be my last post regarding this matter!

I have worked as a dealer and tournament director for PokerEvents. I know what its like from both sides!

There was not one complaint from dealers in person to me on Monday. So the issue is closed as far as I'm concerned. And if there is still ill feeling they should can contact me directly, they all have my number.

As regards June I personally was not at the event (I was not even in the country). I have heard about the issues relating to dealers with the event but that is in the past.

PokerEvents have learnt from their mistakes, Nobody has yet mentioned the Countys Team Cup held in September. This was another major tournament which had no issues relating to dealers. Some proof of a turn around.

Arrangements have been put in place for the smooth running of dealers for the IPC.

And as regards to the dealers there has only been one post by a dealer which want me to go into detail which I will not do in a public forum.

This whole thread has been an unwarented attack on PokerEvents.

For the readers of Board.ie, PokerEvents have not used all the facts to defend themselves as we believe people have a right to a good name.

The IPC festival starts in less then 48 hours which will be a great event for one and all.

Regards

Stephen

RoundTower

did you miss my post? you have my money.

Fatboydim

It seems to me that there is right and wrong on both sides here and that truth is probably somewhere in the middle. No doubt there are some dealers with genuine gripes and also PE has to deal with some people who mess them around too... at all levels. The team event wasn't without some humour either. However I do think there are a couple of points that need to be made. Firstly you can't really compare the situation for PE with that of the Fitz / SE / Jackpot or other casino based entities. PE has to hire rooms and transport it's tables, chips etc. Therefore overheads are going to be higher. Hence the higher reg fees. Most of the complainants are Dublin based. Dublin players and dealers are spoilt for choice. In the regions we don't have that luxury. Certainly in Glaway there seems to be no atmosphere regarding the dealers or those who work for PE. Is this significant? PE have also proved their willingness to adapt and learn from mistakes in the past.

What I would like to see is a dealers charter. I would suggest that some of the dealers that post on here draw one up and then post it up and try to get the casinos and organisers to sign up to it. Then any organisation that hasn't signed up to the dealers charter players can choose to boycott.

carfax

Fatboydim wrote:

What I would like to see is a dealers charter. I would suggest that some of the dealers that post on here draw one up and then post it up and try to get the casinos and organisers to sign up to it. Then any organisation that hasn't signed up to the dealers charter players can choose to boycott.

Great idea Len.

Killme00

Fatboydim wrote:

What I would like to see is a dealers charter. I would suggest that some of the dealers that post on here draw one up and then post it up and try to get the casinos and organisers to sign up to it. Then any organisation that hasn't signed up to the dealers charter players can choose to boycott.

This is the way to go..good idea

Waylander

Mellor wrote:

This should be the way its done, but it isn't. I am a student. And have never earned over 17k in a single year. But I pay tax during the summer, and christmas. Any weeks were I do alot of work and get extra pay. I have to wait untikl the end of the year to get it back. I have the payslips to prove it. I have beside me two cheques from the revenue for my tax for '04 & '05. I only got them last week. The reason its so late is because 04 wasn't much so i didnt bother, and there was a **** up with 05. As its now 2007. I am getting my tax from last year back. Total earnings for 2006 were under 13k.

I am a qualified accountant who has run some large enough payrolls in my time. If you are working right through the year the cumulative system should apply to you. I would have thought you would be fine for your summer work as well. If you only start late in the year they will usually only issue a week to week cert in that instance. Maybe give the Revenue a call this summer and ask them why you are not on a cumulative basis. Feel free to pm me at the time.

Back on topic, I agree with Solksjaer, I think if you do not like what you are being offered, dont work for them. Bohsman referred to the original poker events thread of a couple of years ago in one of his posts, but never pointed out that most of the content of that thread was taken on board and allot of changes were made to how they operate. I realise that they get allot of publicity for their events here, and this is of benefit to poker events, it is also of benefit to the players though as the changes made after the original thread demonstrate. I think that this issue is not about playing poker, and is more an internal human resources issue, and as such do not really think this is the place to deal with it. I think if a disgruntled employee of the fitz came on here and posted a similar post, the thread would not have lasted this long.

bohsman

As I said above, things improved a bit - the 400€ FO farce leaves me wondering how much but overall they got rid of the capped prizepools etc.

A couple of differences between a Fitz employee and a PE one posting complaints here - The Fitz is completely above board, you're getting a payslip and paying tax, if you have complaints there are proper procedures to go through. PE are cash in hand, complain you'll be sent home first, often without pay after spending a fortune on transport. CityWest isnt easy to get to if you dont drive.
PE advertise free here, the Fitz dont. DeV says regularly enough that anyone advertising has to be able to be put in the spotlight.

ditpoker

PokerEvents-Ste wrote:

And as regards to the dealers there has only been one post by a dealer which want me to go into detail which I will not do in a public forum.

ditpoker, DiTTAG, boba_fett, RoundTower, bohsman... thats five people who have dealt for you who have asked questions. Also, how many delaers should ask you before you will go into detail? Three?? six?? Ten??? surely one is enough? if not the 5 who have asked!

PokerEvents-Ste wrote:

This whole thread has been an unwarented attack on PokerEvents.

i'm surprised you STILL think there is no merit to the questions posed by numerous people.

PokerEvents-Ste wrote:

For the readers of Board.ie, PokerEvents have not used all the facts to defend themselves as we believe people have a right to a good name.

:eek: :eek: please please please use all the facts. I usually find using ALL the facts to be quite useful. PLEASE use all the facts. I waive my right to a good name, I doubt I even have a good name. Please use all the facts at your disposal for a fair a balanced debate.

I strongly request you do not hide behind the "This will be my last post regarding this matter" line, this screams out that you have something to hide. I refer you once more to your above quote, please use ALL the facts to defend yourself against the accusation that you do not treat your dealers with respect. :mad:

john@thenewvic

Man, for a thread i thought was destined not to last too long it sure turned into a good read.
If anyone in the Limerick area is looking for a bit of dealing work I would be more than happy to speak to them. The new club is getting busier and busier and we need people quicker than we can train them up.

ianmc38

BigDragon wrote:

Lol. Brilliant.

kippy

So far, the only thing that I have learned from this topic is that certain people will be taken advantage of in an unregulated industry while others will get very rich from it.
I think the arguments for regulation are most highlighted in this thread.
I also dont believe a public forum is a good place for topics such as this-especially with so much hearsay and items which cannot be proven being discussed.
Final words,
I worked as a barman when I was 15 for a very meagre wage doing a 90 hour week. A lot of illegal things going on there but it was the only work I could get at that stage. I did barwork for about 5 years on and off for pretty poor money for long hours and a lot of bad treatment. Guess what, I got out of it as soon as I could. I had a lot of good experiences also but overall I am happier in my nine to five ish job with decent conditions and regulated pay system.
If you dont like it get out of it. Employers can and will take advantage if they are allowed to do so, not saying that is what is happening in this case. The fact that this type of industry is unregulated leaves the whole thing open to abuse, in much the same way as the houseing market.

Kippy

carfax

ditpoker wrote:

I strongly request you do not hide behind the "This will be my last post regarding this matter" line, this screams out that you have something to hide. I refer you once more to your above quote, please use ALL the facts to defend yourself against the accusation that you do not treat your dealers with respect. :mad:

Jeff, I think you might be going for the title of best thread ever.....Has this been your plan all along?

Lauralashes

I've never worked for PokerEvents previously and the IPC will be my 1st event with them as a Dealer and must admit that I dnt have much knowledge of Dealers issues with them on previous occasions and i dnt want to take from that. My post is only to do with the upcoming event in the Citywest.

I have been informed by Stephen that for this Event he has recruited an external person who's main priority for the week will be to manage the Dealers and ensure that everyone of us is treated equally and correctly.

These events do carry alot of pressure for the organisers,and, although this DOESN'T by any means excuse shabby treatment of dealers either before, during or after events, having an external person to focus just on Dealers sounds like a good and pro-active idea to me as they aren't carrying any of the pressure of the organisers and can provide a more balanced view if any situtations do arise

Obviously from reading this thread I could, and rightly so, hold a lot of reservations about the weekend but I plan to keep an open mind and make my own judgements on how it turns out for Dealers. Lets hope it all works itself out and we can all enjoy what should prove to be a great tournament.

Obviously from reading this thread I could, and rightly so, hold a lot of reservations about the weekend but I plan to keep an open mind and make my own judgements on how it turns out for Dealers. Lets hope it all works itself out and we can all enjoy what should prove to be a great tournament.:D

TheDuck32

Same old faces, same rusty knifes.
Let it go and move on, it's getting kinda sad.

bohsman

ditpoker wrote:

ditpoker, DiTTAG, boba_fett, RoundTower, bohsman... thats five people who have dealt for you who have asked questions. Also, how many delaers should ask you before you will go into detail? Three?? six?? Ten??? surely one is enough? if not the 5 who have asked!

Thankfully I never actually worked for them, I was hired to work for them but refused to go when I found out what was going on.

fiddlesticks

bohsman wrote:

Thankfully I never actually worked for them, I was hired to work for them but refused to go when I found out what was going on.

Same, although because I didnt turn up on the day that I was supposed to work, I was told not to bother to come back for the next day and have refused to since because of what I heard about them and how they treat their dealers.

TheDuck32

fiddlesticks wrote:

because I didnt turn up on the day that I was supposed to work, I was told not to bother to come back for the next day.

How frighteningly unreasonable of them.

DeVore

TheDuck32 wrote:

Same old faces, same rusty knifes.
Let it go and move on, it's getting kinda sad.

Is that Manus?

DeV.

TheDuck32

if I say yes are you going to ban me?

DeVore

No, why would I?

DeV.

carfax

TheDuck32 wrote:

if I say yes are you going to ban me?

What's your experience of working for Poker Events Manus?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

I say work in a very loose way there by the way.

TheDuck32

Darn.

Yes it is I. Why do you ask?

DeVore

I dislike people who should disclose pertinent information not doing so. Its a character flaw.

DeV.

TheDuck32

carfax wrote:

What's your experience of working for Poker Events Manus?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

I say work in a very loose way there by the way.

Dealt for them for a couple of weeks a few years ago. Nothing but pleasent memories. But apparently after I finished up with them, there were numerous changes in management and things just went from bad to worse.
I hear things are tipping along nicely for them again now, can't imagine why.

fiddlesticks

TheDuck32 wrote:

How frighteningly unreasonable of them.

I couldnt work for them because I was sick, this was was told to them but fortunately for me, poker events weren't interested.

You know, you dont have to read this if it doesnt interest you...