Can PokerEvents please reply to this?

Mellor · 02-01-2007 3:33pm

Waylander wrote:

That is not strictly speaking coreect, as tax is deducted on a cumulative basis during the year, that is why payslip always have Year to Date earnings etc on them, and if you have not utilised some weeks credits, they will automatically be utilised at the next opportunity. Unless you are in an emergency tax, or week 1 basis (only really new employees) then your allowance3s will be utilised in Year.

This should be the way its done, but it isn't. I am a student. And have never earned over 17k in a single year. But I pay tax during the summer, and christmas. Any weeks were I do alot of work and get extra pay. I have to wait untikl the end of the year to get it back. I have the payslips to prove it. I have beside me two cheques from the revenue for my tax for '04 & '05. I only got them last week. The reason its so late is because 04 wasn't much so i didnt bother, and there was a **** up with 05. As its now 2007. I am getting my tax from last year back. Total earnings for 2006 were under 13k.

Solksjaer · 02-01-2007 3:54pm

Looking forward to one of these events the weekend. Not the big on e though as I'd be easily beaten by the superb players on this forum. Ooops I've deleted the rest of my post.

ditpoker · 02-01-2007 4:38pm

PokerEvents-Ste wrote:

And for people looking to clear up your misinformed information.

i maintain that I am not misinformed

PokerEvents-Ste wrote:

Fintan was not aggressive on the phone. The phone call you are refering to was at about 7-8pm on Stephen's Day. That may be why he did not appreciate the call.

in an earlier post you complained to me for stating that Fintan had been aggressive on a phone call that I did not hear. I find it interesting that you can say he was not aggressive on a phone call you did not hear.

[QUOTEPokerEvents-Ste]
This is totally false information. I never had to worry about dealers for todays event. I assume you are quoting me here. I never said this at all.
[/QUOTE]
Can you confirm that dealers were paid 12 euro an hour for this event. Would this not suggest that PokerEvents had to offer extra incentive in order to confirm sufficient numbers of dealers?

PokerEvents-Ste wrote:

PokerEvents didn't. If there was anyone making threats it was the dealer.

This seems like a very similar accusation to the one I have made, yet you complained greatly about my accusation.

PokerEvents-Ste wrote:

I have set agreements that the hours for the IPC will be made as fair as possible, and there is no need for a call out fee!

I disagree with this. The manner in which PE handled staff during your event in CityWest during the summer proves this. I strongly suggest you initiate a call out fee system. However, if the staffing arrangements run smoothly this weekend I will be delighted for both employer and employees, otherwise I'd imagine there will be some backlack on this forum as per last summer.

PokerEvents-Ste wrote:

Contracts have been given to out. All dealers know what to expect and the rate of pay in exchange for their services.

If PE have of have offered staff pre-event, signed contracts then this thread has been completely worthwhile. If this is the case I congratulate you on this step. If PE have offered verbal agreements, I'd be surprised if they are honoured.

PokerEvents-Ste wrote:

]And to clear up another rumour I heard tonight.... ALL DEALERS ARE WORKING FOR THE SAME RATE OF PAY!

i heard this rumour too, and thought it to be incorrect, and was never mentioned in any of my posts.

PokerEvents-Ste wrote:

Jeff I hope this answers your questions and will bring closure to this thread!

Stephen, thank you for taking the time to respond to this thread.

rag2gar · 02-01-2007 4:48pm

can poker-events ste please reply to his pm please....

RoundTower · 02-01-2007 4:54pm

PokerEvents-Ste wrote:

Hello DITTag,

I will not elaborate as this will turn the thread into a slagging match and may have a negative effect on peoples earnings, reputations and good names.

This thread has aspired from heresay and does not have fact behind.

I have answered the questions requested.

Regards,

Stephen

Hi Pokerevents,

you still owe me my tips. I have not got them nor have I received confirmation that they have been donated to the charity of my choice. As a gesture of goodwill, I also think you should add on the interest, and match the donation 100% (you can get a tax deduction for this, if your company pays any tax).

This is not hearsay, it is first hand from a former PokerEvents dealer who also wouldn't wish the job on anyone.

Solksjaer · 02-01-2007 5:05pm

I'm sure PE has done something to irk these lads
However...
Posting business dealings publicly doesn't really read well. It feels intrusive.
2 cents..
My suggestion Stephen is that when confronted with questions/accusations on a public forum like this that you simply post a response in your own website and provide a link to there . That way it will A) be less public ( no offense to your forum but it's not as expansive as boards.ie

all further replies will be on your website and if private info is aired at least your audience will be smaller. Posting replies directly to this forum keeps the subject 'hot'.

Having said that Stephen (and I know it's not my business) perhaps there is A LOT of smoke in relation to dealers and PE for some reason. It's probably an easy fix for you guys to make to protect your good (?)name. I'm sure if you put your heads together you can come up with a solution that will stem these types of mails/posts. You are a good addition PRwise to PE and not as volitile as yer last rep..:-) so try to influence a change if needed. (devils advocate here)

For dealiers with issues I think as long as you are not an official entity you will face problems and until then you will have to pick companies that you consider palatable from an industrial relations point of view.

No disrespect to dealers who have been wronged as in the main I get quite a buzz from the different characters we have in the different events....

Now Shuffle up and DEAL.....,

Wombatman · 02-01-2007 5:06pm

I'm no fan of PE and don't work in the gaming industry.
Just a casual player from down the country.

In the interests of fairness \ good form could people like boshman etc declare an interest when posting in industry related threads. Some newbies\rednecks are not aware where ye might be coming from.

A few lines in your public profile might be good.

Mods?

bohsman · 02-01-2007 5:31pm

I have worked in the Fitz on off for the last few years having originally being trained by Luke to work for the newly setup PE, a few dealers went out the first night - I had something on so missed it but got to hear the horror stories of how badly they were treated, didnt get their tips and organisers pocketing large amounts of money from the prizepool. I refused to work for them and emailed VC, their sponsors at the time asking for my VC account to be shut down. Search the forum for the earliest mentions of PE, there was war on here and eventually they started making prizepools a bit more transparent till the farce at the 400 FO a couple of months ago at least but dealers were still being mistreated.

More present day I know DitPoker and other dealers very well and know how they were treated, Kimba started a thread a couple of months ago "dealers shafted by PE" she was my flatmate at the time so I heard exactly what went on there. Im staying with Carfax at the mo who did 90% of the work for PE since he got back from Australia and I know exactly the thanks he got for that.

MickL · 02-01-2007 6:05pm

bohsman wrote:

I have worked in the Fitz on off for the last few years

WORK YEA OSCAR

:D:D

bohsman wrote:

I had something on so missed it but got to hear the horror stories of how badly they were treated, didnt get their tips and organisers pocketing large amounts of money from the prizepool. I refused to work for them and emailed VC, their sponsors at the time asking for my VC account to be shut down. Search the forum for the earliest mentions of PE, there was war on here and eventually they started making prizepools a bit more transparent till the farce at the 400 FO a couple of months ago at least but dealers were still being mistreated.

Back you up totally on this everything is the truth,,

monoP54 · 02-01-2007 6:48pm

Its all down to people skills.....;)

Why can't we all just get along?

Scotty # · 02-01-2007 6:58pm

I have no connection to PE what so ever and this is really none of my business but hey, its a public forum. I really can't see what the problem is on this occasion.

PE are offering a rate of pay to deal on the day, if you don't like it - don't do it.

The "if you don't do this, you won't be offered work again" line is very common business practise and I see nothing wrong with it. If the phone call did take place on Stephen's night I wouldn't "appreciate it" either. The company I work for don't pay sick pay but some companies do. PE don't pay a "call-out" but some companies do. Again, if you don't like it - don't do it.

There are a few top class dealers in this country and then there are all the "casual" dealers who make up the majority of dealers at events. PE and other organisers know there is an abundance of these casual dealers and most of them are students who could really do with the money. This means they're going to be exploited to a certain extent from time to time but nobody and I mean NOBODY, can do anything about this but the dealers themselves.

As far as I can see quiet a few dealers post here so maybe start by lobbying the mods for a Dealer sub-forum (don't antes-up have a dealer news letter? maybe they would host it?) where you can discuss your views/grievances and start a proper dealer organisation to try and get the conditions/terms you are looking for. I think if its done right you will have the support of the players.

kincsem · 02-01-2007 7:21pm

Scotty # wrote:

As far as I can see quiet a few dealers post here so maybe start by lobbying the mods for a Dealer sub-forum (don't antes-up have a dealer news letter? maybe they would host it?) where you can discuss your views/grievances and start a proper dealer organisation to try and get the conditions/terms you are looking for. I think if its done right you will have the support of the players.

That's a good idea. But can the mods restrict it to dealers and organisers?

bohsman · 02-01-2007 7:37pm

Scotty # wrote:

As far as I can see quiet a few dealers post here so maybe start by lobbying the mods for a Dealer sub-forum (don't antes-up have a dealer news letter? maybe they would host it?) where you can discuss your views/grievances and start a proper dealer organisation to try and get the conditions/terms you are looking for. I think if its done right you will have the support of the players.

Ive been looking to set something like this up but on a far greater scale but Im heading off to Australia Asap so unless I can find someone to get it up and running while Im away a forum would probably be a half decent stopgap.

Lafortezza · 02-01-2007 7:46pm

You can get a private forum here on boards. Go to the 'forums' forum under the System drop down menu at the top right of the page. Make a new request thread, get a few people posting their support for the idea and the admins might create it for you.
Get someone responsible to be a mod of the forum and they can give access to the dealers who want in.

DeVore · 02-01-2007 9:57pm

Administrator Hat On!

I think there are better ways of handling things then a subforum, I'm open to the idea though.

As for criticism of companies publically... our policy on Boards is that if you use Boards to make people aware of your "thing" then you must accept their right to make you aware of their "problems". Its been like that since its inception. I've been dragged over the coals here myself and welcome constructive feedback.

DeV.

PokerEvents-Ste · 03-01-2007 2:09am

This will be my last post regarding this matter!

I have worked as a dealer and tournament director for PokerEvents. I know what its like from both sides!

There was not one complaint from dealers in person to me on Monday. So the issue is closed as far as I'm concerned. And if there is still ill feeling they should can contact me directly, they all have my number.

As regards June I personally was not at the event (I was not even in the country). I have heard about the issues relating to dealers with the event but that is in the past.

PokerEvents have learnt from their mistakes, Nobody has yet mentioned the Countys Team Cup held in September. This was another major tournament which had no issues relating to dealers. Some proof of a turn around.

Arrangements have been put in place for the smooth running of dealers for the IPC.

And as regards to the dealers there has only been one post by a dealer which want me to go into detail which I will not do in a public forum.

This whole thread has been an unwarented attack on PokerEvents.

For the readers of Board.ie, PokerEvents have not used all the facts to defend themselves as we believe people have a right to a good name.

The IPC festival starts in less then 48 hours which will be a great event for one and all.

Regards

Stephen

RoundTower · 03-01-2007 6:21am

did you miss my post? you have my money.

Fatboydim · 03-01-2007 12:18pm

It seems to me that there is right and wrong on both sides here and that truth is probably somewhere in the middle. No doubt there are some dealers with genuine gripes and also PE has to deal with some people who mess them around too... at all levels. The team event wasn't without some humour either. However I do think there are a couple of points that need to be made. Firstly you can't really compare the situation for PE with that of the Fitz / SE / Jackpot or other casino based entities. PE has to hire rooms and transport it's tables, chips etc. Therefore overheads are going to be higher. Hence the higher reg fees. Most of the complainants are Dublin based. Dublin players and dealers are spoilt for choice. In the regions we don't have that luxury. Certainly in Glaway there seems to be no atmosphere regarding the dealers or those who work for PE. Is this significant? PE have also proved their willingness to adapt and learn from mistakes in the past.

What I would like to see is a dealers charter. I would suggest that some of the dealers that post on here draw one up and then post it up and try to get the casinos and organisers to sign up to it. Then any organisation that hasn't signed up to the dealers charter players can choose to boycott.

carfax · 03-01-2007 12:33pm

Fatboydim wrote:

What I would like to see is a dealers charter. I would suggest that some of the dealers that post on here draw one up and then post it up and try to get the casinos and organisers to sign up to it. Then any organisation that hasn't signed up to the dealers charter players can choose to boycott.

Great idea Len.

Killme00 · 03-01-2007 1:41pm

Fatboydim wrote:

What I would like to see is a dealers charter. I would suggest that some of the dealers that post on here draw one up and then post it up and try to get the casinos and organisers to sign up to it. Then any organisation that hasn't signed up to the dealers charter players can choose to boycott.

This is the way to go..good idea

Waylander · 03-01-2007 2:04pm

Mellor wrote:

This should be the way its done, but it isn't. I am a student. And have never earned over 17k in a single year. But I pay tax during the summer, and christmas. Any weeks were I do alot of work and get extra pay. I have to wait untikl the end of the year to get it back. I have the payslips to prove it. I have beside me two cheques from the revenue for my tax for '04 & '05. I only got them last week. The reason its so late is because 04 wasn't much so i didnt bother, and there was a **** up with 05. As its now 2007. I am getting my tax from last year back. Total earnings for 2006 were under 13k.

I am a qualified accountant who has run some large enough payrolls in my time. If you are working right through the year the cumulative system should apply to you. I would have thought you would be fine for your summer work as well. If you only start late in the year they will usually only issue a week to week cert in that instance. Maybe give the Revenue a call this summer and ask them why you are not on a cumulative basis. Feel free to pm me at the time.

Back on topic, I agree with Solksjaer, I think if you do not like what you are being offered, dont work for them. Bohsman referred to the original poker events thread of a couple of years ago in one of his posts, but never pointed out that most of the content of that thread was taken on board and allot of changes were made to how they operate. I realise that they get allot of publicity for their events here, and this is of benefit to poker events, it is also of benefit to the players though as the changes made after the original thread demonstrate. I think that this issue is not about playing poker, and is more an internal human resources issue, and as such do not really think this is the place to deal with it. I think if a disgruntled employee of the fitz came on here and posted a similar post, the thread would not have lasted this long.

bohsman · 03-01-2007 2:32pm

As I said above, things improved a bit - the 400€ FO farce leaves me wondering how much but overall they got rid of the capped prizepools etc.

A couple of differences between a Fitz employee and a PE one posting complaints here - The Fitz is completely above board, you're getting a payslip and paying tax, if you have complaints there are proper procedures to go through. PE are cash in hand, complain you'll be sent home first, often without pay after spending a fortune on transport. CityWest isnt easy to get to if you dont drive.
PE advertise free here, the Fitz dont. DeV says regularly enough that anyone advertising has to be able to be put in the spotlight.

ditpoker · 03-01-2007 3:37pm

PokerEvents-Ste wrote:

And as regards to the dealers there has only been one post by a dealer which want me to go into detail which I will not do in a public forum.

ditpoker, DiTTAG, boba_fett, RoundTower, bohsman... thats five people who have dealt for you who have asked questions. Also, how many delaers should ask you before you will go into detail? Three?? six?? Ten??? surely one is enough? if not the 5 who have asked!

PokerEvents-Ste wrote:

This whole thread has been an unwarented attack on PokerEvents.

i'm surprised you STILL think there is no merit to the questions posed by numerous people.

PokerEvents-Ste wrote:

For the readers of Board.ie, PokerEvents have not used all the facts to defend themselves as we believe people have a right to a good name.

:eek: :eek: please please please use all the facts. I usually find using ALL the facts to be quite useful. PLEASE use all the facts. I waive my right to a good name, I doubt I even have a good name. Please use all the facts at your disposal for a fair a balanced debate.

I strongly request you do not hide behind the "This will be my last post regarding this matter" line, this screams out that you have something to hide. I refer you once more to your above quote, please use ALL the facts to defend yourself against the accusation that you do not treat your dealers with respect. :mad:

john@thenewvic · 03-01-2007 3:46pm

Man, for a thread i thought was destined not to last too long it sure turned into a good read.
If anyone in the Limerick area is looking for a bit of dealing work I would be more than happy to speak to them. The new club is getting busier and busier and we need people quicker than we can train them up.

ianmc38 · 03-01-2007 3:52pm

BigDragon wrote:

Lol. Brilliant.

kippy · 03-01-2007 3:53pm

So far, the only thing that I have learned from this topic is that certain people will be taken advantage of in an unregulated industry while others will get very rich from it.
I think the arguments for regulation are most highlighted in this thread.
I also dont believe a public forum is a good place for topics such as this-especially with so much hearsay and items which cannot be proven being discussed.
Final words,
I worked as a barman when I was 15 for a very meagre wage doing a 90 hour week. A lot of illegal things going on there but it was the only work I could get at that stage. I did barwork for about 5 years on and off for pretty poor money for long hours and a lot of bad treatment. Guess what, I got out of it as soon as I could. I had a lot of good experiences also but overall I am happier in my nine to five ish job with decent conditions and regulated pay system.
If you dont like it get out of it. Employers can and will take advantage if they are allowed to do so, not saying that is what is happening in this case. The fact that this type of industry is unregulated leaves the whole thing open to abuse, in much the same way as the houseing market.

Kippy

carfax · 03-01-2007 4:02pm

ditpoker wrote:

I strongly request you do not hide behind the "This will be my last post regarding this matter" line, this screams out that you have something to hide. I refer you once more to your above quote, please use ALL the facts to defend yourself against the accusation that you do not treat your dealers with respect. :mad:

Jeff, I think you might be going for the title of best thread ever.....Has this been your plan all along?

Lauralashes · 03-01-2007 4:16pm

I've never worked for PokerEvents previously and the IPC will be my 1st event with them as a Dealer and must admit that I dnt have much knowledge of Dealers issues with them on previous occasions and i dnt want to take from that. My post is only to do with the upcoming event in the Citywest.

I have been informed by Stephen that for this Event he has recruited an external person who's main priority for the week will be to manage the Dealers and ensure that everyone of us is treated equally and correctly.

These events do carry alot of pressure for the organisers,and, although this DOESN'T by any means excuse shabby treatment of dealers either before, during or after events, having an external person to focus just on Dealers sounds like a good and pro-active idea to me as they aren't carrying any of the pressure of the organisers and can provide a more balanced view if any situtations do arise

Obviously from reading this thread I could, and rightly so, hold a lot of reservations about the weekend but I plan to keep an open mind and make my own judgements on how it turns out for Dealers. Lets hope it all works itself out and we can all enjoy what should prove to be a great tournament.

Obviously from reading this thread I could, and rightly so, hold a lot of reservations about the weekend but I plan to keep an open mind and make my own judgements on how it turns out for Dealers. Lets hope it all works itself out and we can all enjoy what should prove to be a great tournament.:D

TheDuck32 · 03-01-2007 4:17pm

Same old faces, same rusty knifes.
Let it go and move on, it's getting kinda sad.

bohsman · 03-01-2007 4:19pm

ditpoker wrote:

ditpoker, DiTTAG, boba_fett, RoundTower, bohsman... thats five people who have dealt for you who have asked questions. Also, how many delaers should ask you before you will go into detail? Three?? six?? Ten??? surely one is enough? if not the 5 who have asked!

Thankfully I never actually worked for them, I was hired to work for them but refused to go when I found out what was going on.

fiddlesticks · 03-01-2007 4:49pm

bohsman wrote:

Thankfully I never actually worked for them, I was hired to work for them but refused to go when I found out what was going on.

Same, although because I didnt turn up on the day that I was supposed to work, I was told not to bother to come back for the next day and have refused to since because of what I heard about them and how they treat their dealers.

TheDuck32 · 03-01-2007 4:57pm

fiddlesticks wrote:

because I didnt turn up on the day that I was supposed to work, I was told not to bother to come back for the next day.

How frighteningly unreasonable of them.

DeVore · 03-01-2007 5:00pm

TheDuck32 wrote:

Same old faces, same rusty knifes.
Let it go and move on, it's getting kinda sad.

Is that Manus?

DeV.

TheDuck32 · 03-01-2007 5:03pm

if I say yes are you going to ban me?

DeVore · 03-01-2007 5:04pm

No, why would I?

DeV.

carfax · 03-01-2007 5:05pm

TheDuck32 wrote:

if I say yes are you going to ban me?

What's your experience of working for Poker Events Manus?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

I say work in a very loose way there by the way.

TheDuck32 · 03-01-2007 5:06pm

Darn.

Yes it is I. Why do you ask?

DeVore · 03-01-2007 5:10pm

I dislike people who should disclose pertinent information not doing so. Its a character flaw.

DeV.

TheDuck32 · 03-01-2007 5:13pm

carfax wrote:

What's your experience of working for Poker Events Manus?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

I say work in a very loose way there by the way.

Dealt for them for a couple of weeks a few years ago. Nothing but pleasent memories. But apparently after I finished up with them, there were numerous changes in management and things just went from bad to worse.
I hear things are tipping along nicely for them again now, can't imagine why.

fiddlesticks · 03-01-2007 5:16pm

TheDuck32 wrote:

How frighteningly unreasonable of them.

I couldnt work for them because I was sick, this was was told to them but fortunately for me, poker events weren't interested.

You know, you dont have to read this if it doesnt interest you...

TheDuck32 · 03-01-2007 5:16pm

DeVore wrote:

I dislike people who should disclose pertinent information not doing so. Its a character flaw.

DeV.

I assume this is directed towards me, but as i haven't worked for pokerevents for just over 7 months, I am a little confused as to what you are refering

DeVore · 03-01-2007 5:16pm

TheDuck32 wrote:

Dealt for them for a couple of weeks a few years ago. Nothing but pleasent memories. But apparently after I finished up with them, there were numerous changes in management and things just went from bad to worse.
I hear things are tipping along nicely for them again now, can't imagine why.

Manus, thats not actually the complete truth. Amusing as it may be to the people in the know its misleading to people reading this who do not know your connection to Poker Events.

DeV.

Lafortezza · 03-01-2007 5:23pm

DeVore wrote:

Amusing as it may be to the people in the know its misleading to people reading this who do not know your connection to Poker Events.

DeV.

Either of you care to enlighten the rest of us?

TheDuck32 · 03-01-2007 5:23pm

Interesting, I don't remember working for Pokerevents in anyway since the IPT in June. But if you can tell me of any occasion that I did I would be very greatful, as I will immediately bill Fintan for the work.

TheDuck32 · 03-01-2007 5:28pm

DeVore wrote:

Manus, thats not actually the complete truth. Amusing as it may be to the people in the know its misleading to people reading this who do not know your connection to Poker Events.

DeV.

Now be fair,
you made you comment about me before I said that obvious crock of crap about me being a dealer. Which was directed at Carfax in response to his "enquiry" about my experience working with PE

Solksjaer · 03-01-2007 5:28pm

bohsman wrote:

Thankfully I never actually worked for them, I was hired to work for them but refused to go when I found out what was going on.

Thankfully I've never worked for them neither, nor any of the outfits out there. I did work for myself on christmas day and found my dealing to be quite substandard. I dropped the river card (TWICE) into the custard, and despite instant cleaning , everyone knew that the 10 of spades and the A of diamonds had custard yalla on it. So some all ins were not called due to custardcard awareness. (no way was I getting out my spare spice girl cards...not in company anyway)

We played on and Uncle Christy used the custard stains to his advantage on serveral occasions, until we got heads up..he knocked out Aunty Mary by holding his fingers over a two of diamonds in the exact spot where one might expect to find a custard stain. Naturally she put him on the A and called , only for him to show a set of 2s..Bastrd. I got him however by dabbing some other cards with secretly stashed custard (if ya live by the sword) So I won again for the 4th year running. My prize was a bottle of Glenfieldich (you spell it then) and all was good.

SO you dealers, you should rejoice in your god given talent to be able to deal so skilfully instead of moaning and groaning about ooohh killed oooh. Although this thread was worth it to view the Homer eating popcorn picture...I laughed stuff into my nose...LOL. Ye are evil some of ye, the rest are just bad.

Gl to youse boyz in the main event...think I'll dip in the riches of the drunken sit and gos instead..made a fortune last year.

TheDuck32 · 03-01-2007 5:32pm

Also if I have to detail my connection with PE in order to take part in this discussion, then surely anyone connected with other poker promotion companies should make themselves known before they are allowed criticise another persons business practises

nicryan · 03-01-2007 5:35pm

ditpoker wrote:

ditpoker, DiTTAG, boba_fett, RoundTower, bohsman... thats five people who have dealt for you who have asked questions. Also, how many delaers should ask you before you will go into detail? Three?? six?? Ten??? surely one is enough? if not the 5 who have asked!

well you can add me to that list too...I'm not very vocal on it cause I think its hardly worth the effort for the, what I reckon, 100 euro or so that I'm owed.

I worked for poker events in their first 2 events in the red cow, and after the first one when I voiced a complaint about it and told them that I wouldn't work for them again unless things changed, they then phoned me and told me that they had changed and so I worked for them again. And nothing changed. So I didn't work for them again.

I'm sure you can also add TrickyD and Kimba to that list too.

Nic Ryan
--Fitzwilliam poker dealer

Killme00 · 03-01-2007 5:36pm

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bohsman · 03-01-2007 5:39pm

TheDuck32 wrote:

Also if I have to detail my connection with PE in order to take part in this discussion, then surely anyone connected with othere poker promotion companies should make themselves known before they are allowed criticise another persons business practises

And they do. Feel free to out anyone you know is involved and posting/ question anyone you think may be involved elsewhere.

Can PokerEvents please reply to this?

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