The Hazards of Belief

Sarky

Hang on... The rabbi stops the bleeding... By putting the child's penis in his mouth? Am I getting this right? Because that sounds a little... Well, rapey.

recedite

Doc Farrell wrote: »

Is this right? The child died along with others because the rabbi sucked blood from his penis skin and the adult was infected with herpes and, it seems, he knew this because other children had died?

That's right. I wonder if they ate the baby afterwards?

Doc Farrell

I'm actually going to look into this further, but thankfully not tonight. This story is off the scale.

bnt

Doc Farrell wrote: »

Is this right? The child died along with others because the rabbi sucked blood from his penis skin and the adult was infected with herpes and, it seems, he knew this because other children had died?

Well, yes. Note that it was apparently oral herpes simplex type 1, the virus that causes cold sores and other minor symptoms in adults, not the STD (type 2). But that doesn't excuse the practice, does it? Some rabbis are strongly against it e.g. this guy.

MrPudding

recedite wrote: »

That is the most disgusting "religious practice" I have heard of for a long time :mad:

I am not even going to read the link... "with oral suction” is quite enough, thanks very much.

MrP

swampgas

Hey, I guess we're supposed to "respect" this traditional religious ritual, right? Because its religious, and that makes it okay .... right?

*suppresses urge to puke*

Sarky

Catholic Church should have taken a leaf out of their book, they could have raped all the kids they wanted.

Calibos

Oi Vey, what are you doing to my little boy fellow goat herder!!

Er, Em, Eh........Oh yes, I was just instructed by Yahwey the lord our God that as an offering to him I must suck your sons penis.

Oh, Yahwey told you to do it. Thats ok then. Please continue. I feel blessed my Son was the first boy chosen for this holy blessed tradition.

Religion. Normalising twisted sh1t for Millenia.

Turtwig

Rush Limbaugh recently landed himself in very hot water over his character assassination of Sandra Fluke. However, it wasn't just Sandra Fluke who suffered as a result of this.


In a nut shell : 16 year old with a medical condition that requires Birth Control medication gets openly torn to shreds at school.

robindch

Jernal wrote: »

Rush Limbaugh [...]

Words fail.

Links234

robindch

Jernal wrote: »

Rush Limbaugh recently landed himself in very hot water over his character assassination of Sandra Fluke. However, it wasn't just Sandra Fluke who suffered as a result of this.

Looks like that fat cretin went chin-to-chin with the wrong mom:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17263546
http://thinkprogress.org/media/2012/03/05/438178/10th-advertiser-bonobos-drops-limbaugh/

Yesterday's update from beantown mom here.

seamus

Very dismayed to hear someone on the radio this morning say that contraception was actually an election issue for the US presidential race. What is this, the 1940's?

A clear indicator that the US education system is failing when religiousity is increasing. Or maybe it's religion going extreme in its death throes.

robindch

seamus wrote: »

A clear indicator that the US education system is failing when religiousity is increasing. Or maybe it's religion going extreme in its death throes.

I believe it's the latter: as the unengaged middle desert religion, the floor is left open to the nutters at the extreme.

Look at publications like Alive and what's pumped out by organizations like EWTN -- I suspect they're now perceived by many as the voice of the religion, and what sane person would want to be associated with them? In a strange way, easy access to mass-media, and the ham-fisted, supremacist way in which it's used, may well be causing people to leave the church in droves.

To quote Frank Herbert:

Here lies a toppled god
His fall was not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.

kylith

seamus wrote: »

Very dismayed to hear someone on the radio this morning say that contraception was actually an election issue for the US presidential race. What is this, the 1940's?

A clear indicator that the US education system is failing when religiousity is increasing. Or maybe it's religion going extreme in its death throes.

It is truely terrifying to see such an advanced country is becoming so backward.

I think that the Americans let Al Quaeda beat them: the attacks on the WTC lit a touch paper that has sparked an 'us Vs them' mentality, and now America is tearing itself apart from the inside.

joseph brand

Delirium

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4MnpzG5Sqc

Joseph Kony (born 1961 in Odek, Uganda[1]) is a Ugandan guerrilla group leader, head of the Lord's Resistance Army (LRA), a group engaged in a violent campaign to establish theocratic government based on the Ten Commandments throughout Uganda.[1] The LRA say that God has sent spirits to communicate this mission directly to Kony.[4]

Galvasean

Man sues his church for supposedly stopping him from becoming the next Man United superstar (of course he was a mediocre footballer anyway who had yet to progress beyond the Portugese third division by the age of 25):
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10790160

dmw07

Galvasean wrote: »

Man sues his church for supposedly stopping him from becoming the next Man United superstar (of course he was a mediocre footballer anyway who had yet to progress beyond the Portugese third division by the age of 25):
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10790160

This chap seems to have learnt a trick or two also. He has a book, in which he backs up his "facts" with personal evidence.

Wonder where he got the idea to back up his claims with a book he wrote, from :pac:

magicbastarder

koth wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4MnpzG5Sqc

Joseph Kony (born 1961 in Odek, Uganda[1]) is a Ugandan guerrilla group leader, head of the Lord's Resistance Army (LRA), a group engaged in a violent campaign to establish theocratic government based on the Ten Commandments throughout Uganda.[1] The LRA say that God has sent spirits to communicate this mission directly to Kony.[4]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-news-blog/2012/mar/07/kony-2012-video-viral-invisible-children?INTCMP=SRCH

Doc Farrell

koth wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4MnpzG5Sqc

Joseph Kony (born 1961 in Odek, Uganda[1]) is a Ugandan guerrilla group leader, head of the Lord's Resistance Army (LRA), a group engaged in a violent campaign to establish theocratic government based on the Ten Commandments throughout Uganda.[1] The LRA say that God has sent spirits to communicate this mission directly to Kony.[4]

This is grown up politics and well worth a view. This is the new politics. Nice one koth.

Delirium

make sure to read the link magicbastarder provided, as there is a lot of bad press flying around about the group behind the video.

While it's good to draw attention to the situation, it's also good to know a bit about the group that started the hype with the video. So thanks again for the link, magicbastarder:)

Galvasean

It is an excellent campaign, but not in the way many people think. Invisible Children appear to be a sock puppet of the Ugandan government trying to eliminate a rival. The Ugandan government aren't exactly good guys either. Uganda is considered one of the most corrupt nations in the world with a truly appalling human rights record (for example it is illegal to be gay there and such is punishable under death).
In essence the (good intentioned) people helping make Kony 'famous' by helping the Invisible Children video go viral are little more than unwitting pawns in a power struggle between two corrupt powers.

joseph brand

(small print)

Doc Farrell

Holy chicken baps! This is for real! I thought it was a clever parody. They reserve the right to discuss my previous sexual history! To serve fries? Southern baptists, God bless'em!

joseph brand

A few more from this 'genius'. :rolleyes:

If the Bible had said that Jonah swallowed the whale, I would believe it.

One miracle is just as easy to believe as another.

The parents have a right to say that no teacher paid by their money shall rob their children of faith in God and send them back to their homes skeptical, or infidels, or agnostics, or atheists.

Turtwig

joseph brand wrote: »

A few more from this 'genius'. :rolleyes:

If the Bible had said that Jonah swallowed the whale, I would believe it.

One miracle is just as easy to believe as another.

The parents have a right to say that no teacher paid by their money shall rob their children of faith in God and send them back to their homes skeptical, or infidels, or agnostics, or atheists.

William Jennings Bryan wrote:

Destiny is not a matter of chance; but a matter of choice. It is not a thing to be waited for, It is a thing to be acheived.

Or
---NASA's Space Shuttle Program.

I rather like the quote too. It's not really fair to be sarcastic about him, he like many others was under the illusion that evolution meant no human morality. When people believe things like that then they're obviously going to be biased.

robindch

Jernal wrote: »

It's not really fair to be sarcastic about him [...]

I'm not so sure about that -- Bryan was an agrarian cretin who beat whatever populist drum was nearest and loudest. A man who ran, if memory serves, for president three times on behalf of the Democratic party, but who did so without the benefit of an education, or much obvious honesty.

For choosing to defend at the Scopes Money Trial of 1925, Bryan was pwned thusly, and permanently, by HL Mencken:

http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/menck01.htm
http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/menck02.htm
http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/menck03.htm
http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/menck04.htm
http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/menck05.htm

IMHO, Mencken's pungent and unforgiving prose describes creationism, and William Jennings Bryan, flawlessly. Even 90 years later, it's still funny

Turtwig

I think you kind of missed my point Rob. I'm not saying he didn't hold idiotic beliefs, I'm saying that he held such views because he felt evolution implied no morality and to people like that they'll take any alternative. Not wanting reality to be a certain way can cause anyone to be become a prime nutter.

robindch

Jernal wrote: »

I'm saying that he held such views because he felt evolution implied no morality and to people like that they'll take any alternative.

Yes, that's right But the reason he thought that way was because he believed the normative fallacy, something that no enlightened adult should. Especially in somebody who put themselves forward three times as candidate for president of the USA. But Bryan didn't care, and instead, used other people's acceptance of the normative fallacy -- same as creationists do today -- to stir up fear and hatred amongst similarly unenlightened twits for electoral advantage.

It explains why he had the views he had, but it doesn't excuse them.

BTW, have a read of the Mencken -- it really is great