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The Hazards of Belief

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  • Registered Users Posts: 238 ✭✭dmw07


    robindch wrote: »
    Kentucky - the state which wants to cut its education budget by more than the tax breaks given to a creationist amusement park:

    And here's me thinking Kentucky IS a giant creationist amusement park.

    You learn something new every day, i suppose.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    To be fair it was the home of the first Lebowskifest. :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,241 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Dades wrote: »
    To be fair it was the home of the first Lebowskifest. :)

    Now if he was going to preserve $43million in tax breaks for a Big Lebowski theme park... That would be a different story. Kids could even go there as part of their education; become Little Lebowski Urban Achievers, people dressed as Walter can ask them "Is this your homework?", art classes with Maude, and how to choose the best rug to really tie a room together.

    Money well spent :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 238 ✭✭dmw07


    Dades wrote: »
    To be fair it was the home of the first Lebowskifest. :)

    "Mr. Treehorn treats objects like women, man." ahhhhh.... hang on, no time for sentiment....Stop making my lazy factless off the cuff sarcastic stereotype look worse than it already is.


  • Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Ok so it might not be the typical hazard for this thread but I felt this warrant a mention.
    MORE than 400 doctors, medical researchers and scientists have formed a powerful lobby group to pressure universities to close down alternative medicine degrees.

    Almost one in three Australian universities now offer courses in some form of alternative therapy or complementary medicine, including traditional Chinese herbal medicine, chiropractics, homeopathy, naturopathy, reflexology and aromatherapy.

    But the new group, Friends of Science in Medicine, wrote to vice-chancellors this week, warning that by giving "undeserved credibility to what in many cases would be better described as quackery" and by "failing to champion evidence-based science and medicine", the universities are trashing their reputation as bastions of scientific rigour.

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    The group, which names world-renowned biologist Sir Gustav Nossal and the creator of the cervical cancer vaccine Professor Ian Frazer among its members, is also campaigning for private health insurance providers to stop providing rebates for alternative medical treatments.

    A co-founder of the group, Emeritus Professor John Dwyer, of the University of NSW, who is also a government adviser on consumer health fraud, said it was distressing that 19 universities were now offering "degrees in pseudo science".

    "It's deplorable, but we didn't realise how much concern there was out there for universities' reputations until we tapped into it," Professor Dwyer said. "We're saying enough is enough. Taxpayers' money should not be wasted on funding [these courses] … nor should government health insurance rebates be wasted on this nonsense."

    Professor Dwyer said it was particularly galling that such courses were growing in popularity while, at the same time, the federal government was looking at ways to get the Therapeutic Goods Administration to enforce tougher proof-of-efficacy criteria for complementary medicines, following the release of a highly critical review by the Australian National Audit Office last September.

    Of particular concern to the group is the increase in chiropractic courses, following the recent announcement of a new chiropractic science degree by Central Queensland University. More than 30 scientists, doctors and community advocates wrote to the vice-chancellor and health science deans at the university voicing their concern, which laid the foundations for Friends of Science in Medicine.

    The groundswell of protest from medical professionals comes after a decision in Britain that means from this year it will no longer be possible to receive a degree from a publicly-funded university in areas of alternative medicine, including homeopathy and naturopathy.

    German and British medical insurance providers are also in the process of removing alternative therapies from the list of treatments they will cover.

    Australia's vice-chancellors will meet in March and Professor Dwyer said his group was aiming to get a commitment from them to endorse health courses only with evidence-based science.

    The spokesman for Universities Australia said tertiary institutions were self-accrediting. "[They have] the autonomy … to ensure the quality and relevance of the courses they offer," he said.

    The Tertiary Education Quality and Standards Agency, a government body set up to regulate higher education, refused to comment.

    Most health funds pay rebates for alternative therapies under top cover polices. Private Healthcare Australia did not return the Herald's calls.

    Source.

    Given that some Irish Universities run some flaky enough courses on this matter movements like this are more than welcome. :)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,959 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    I've worked with a few Sikhs before, when I lived in the UK, and they didn't seem particularly uptight about their religion. There are some lines you just don't cross, though, and one of those is the fence around the Golden Temple in Amritsar. Former Indian PM Indira Gandhi sent her troops in to arrest extremists, and it got her assassinated, for example.

    Now, comedian Jay Leno is being sued by Sikhs in the USA, because he made a joke that involved the Golden Temple. It wasn't even about Sikhs or the Golden Temple: it was about Mitt Romney, who is so rich , the joke was that the Golden Temple is one of his holiday home. That's all it takes, apparently. :rolleyes:

    From out there on the moon, international politics look so petty. You want to grab a politician by the scruff of the neck and drag him a quarter of a million miles out and say, ‘Look at that, you son of a bitch’.

    — Edgar Mitchell, Apollo 14 Astronaut



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    17 Big Companies That Are Intensely Religious

    "Intensely" might be an overstatement, but the list is interesting all the same.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/17-big-companies-that-are-intensely-religious-2012-1?op=1

    Trijicon is well-known, but Timberland, Marriott, George Foreman and Curves are probably less so.

    No idea why Tom Monaghan/Domino's Pizza isn't on the list.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    robindch wrote: »
    Trijicon is well-known, but Timberland, Marriott, George Foreman and Curves are probably less so.
    And with that mention of Chick-fil-A I finally know what Ben Folds was on about in Rockin' the Suburbs. :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,788 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    recedite wrote: »
    Not really, if you visit another country you are subject to their laws, not your own.
    True, but counrties generally have something to say when other countries try to execute their citizens.

    Having reread the article it does mention the Canadian authorities having "concerns." No real detail.

    MrP


  • Registered Users Posts: 285 ✭✭gawker


    In Sweden (where I'm based right now) this story has sadly come to light.

    "Parents held for 'forcing demons' from daughter"

    Exorcism was the motivation for repeated attacks against a 14 year-old girl from western Sweden who was regularly beaten and burned by her father and stepmother, who wanted to rid the girl of “evil spirits”, prosecutors allege.

    http://www.thelocal.se/38780/20120128/


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0130/killing.html
    A jury in Canada has found three members of an Afghan family guilty of killing three teenage sisters and another woman in a so-called "honour" killing.

    A Canadian jury has found three members of an Afghan family guilty of killing three teenage sisters and another woman in what the judge described as "cold-blooded, shameful murders" resulting from a "twisted concept of honour".

    Prosecutors said the defendants allegedly killed the three teenage sisters because they dishonoured the family by defying its disciplinarian rules on dress, dating, socialising and using the internet.

    The jury took 15 hours to find Mohammad Shafia, 58, his wife Tooba Yahya, 42, and their son Hamed, 21, each guilty of four counts of first-degree murder.

    First-degree murder carries an automatic life sentence with no chance of parole for 25 years.

    After the verdict was read, the three defendants again declared their innocence in the killings of sisters Zainab, 19, Sahar 17, and Geeti, 13, as well as Rona Amir Mohammad, 52 - Shafia's childless first wife in a polygamous marriage.

    Their bodies were found on 30 June, 2009, in a car submerged in a canal in Kingston, Ontario, where the family had stopped for the night on their way home to Montreal from Niagara Falls, Ontario.

    The prosecution alleged it was a case of premeditated murder, staged to look like an accident after it was carried out.

    Prosecutors said the defendants drowned their victims elsewhere on the site, placed their bodies in the car and pushed it into the canal.

    Ontario Superior Court Judge Robert Maranger said the evidence clearly supported the conviction.

    Scum.


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,241 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Oh sure... the father can have two wives... I mean, that's fine... but if the daughters date anyone... KILL EVERYONE!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    gawker wrote: »
    In Sweden (where I'm based right now) this story has sadly come to light.

    "Parents held for 'forcing demons' from daughter"

    Common enough among immigrants from sub-saharan Africa, but were these native Swedes?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,650 ✭✭✭sensibleken


    Not religious but certainly to do with faith.

    I just came accross a thread asking for recomendations for a homeopathic vet for their dog.

    I died a little inside


  • Moderators Posts: 51,713 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    did anyone suggest that they refill the dog's water bowl? :P:pac:

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,650 ✭✭✭sensibleken


    koth wrote: »
    did anyone suggest that they refill the dog's water bowl? :P:pac:

    yes with a bottle of sky


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    The website looks paranoid, but this article looks reasonable enough:

    http://www.stonegateinstitute.org/2796/muslims-ban-dogs-europe


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    "Muslim-vs-dog-related incidents in Europe"
    I wonder if the muslims have come up against a Pit-bull yet? :D
    Anyway, if dogs are "ritually unclean" why do they spend so much time licking their bums?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    Not religious but certainly to do with faith.

    I just came accross a thread asking for recomendations for a homeopathic vet for their dog.

    I died a little inside

    I just know that if I said something I'd get a warning. Like how elsewhere someone got a warning for saying Tarot cards are bull****.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭Mark Hamill


    Not religious but certainly to do with faith.

    I just came accross a thread asking for recomendations for a homeopathic vet for their dog.

    I died a little inside

    Probably not as much as the dog though.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,650 ✭✭✭sensibleken


    Probably not as much as the dog though.


    aw dude too far:(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,650 ✭✭✭sensibleken


    amacachi wrote: »
    I just know that if I said something I'd get a warning. Like how elsewhere someone got a warning for saying Tarot cards are bull****.

    I once went out with someone who did reiki on a pigeon.

    I know.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Fowl sorcery indeed!


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 48,440 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    if a group of people perform reiki, is that gang reiki?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,650 ✭✭✭sensibleken


    if a group of people perform reiki, is that gang reiki?

    hahahaha! oh i wish i could thank that twice


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,959 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    On the topic of Islam & dogs - now we have some nutters in The Hague trying to get dogs banned there: link.

    The Islamic position on dogs is, shall we say, confusing. That article says that it's not banned in the Koran, but that there are "narrations" about it, presumably Hadith. In other words, later "scholars" made pronouncements on the topic based on their own prejudices and interpretations of history e.g. some think that Mohammed once said something nice about hunting dogs, and Mohammed was perfect and his every alleged whim carries the force of law. :rolleyes:

    I went looking on the Islam forum for some opinions about Islam and dogs. Now I have a headache. I wonder whether I'm an atheist because I prefer to use my limited brainpower on more constructive tasks than this ...

    From out there on the moon, international politics look so petty. You want to grab a politician by the scruff of the neck and drag him a quarter of a million miles out and say, ‘Look at that, you son of a bitch’.

    — Edgar Mitchell, Apollo 14 Astronaut



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    bnt wrote: »
    I went looking on the Islam forum for some opinions about Islam and dogs. Now I have a headache.
    After reading that, so do I.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,650 ✭✭✭sensibleken


    I like the bit where the angels wouldnt visit while Mo had the dog in the house. a bit like my ma


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    I like the bit where the angels wouldnt visit while Mo had the dog in the house.
    Given the mess that arose after the last time an angel turned up at somebody's house, I'd have thought keeping a few dogs was a very wise idea.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,650 ✭✭✭sensibleken


    robindch wrote: »
    Given the mess that arose after the last time an angel turned up at somebody's house, I'd have thought keeping a few dogs was a very wise idea.

    ah i see. the angels didnt think the dogs were dirty, they thought there was a durty bitch in the house. damned miss translations.


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