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The Hazards of Belief

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    I'd take religion a bit more seriously if they had gun clerics.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭Mark Hamill


    Galvasean wrote: »
    Shut up!

    eqimage4.jpg

    Thats like a double-entendre because he's Christian Bale :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭Genghiz Cohen


    Please ban Mark.


  • Registered Users Posts: 238 ✭✭dmw07


    Note: Sarcastic Onion-esque headline. Or just poorly formed....

    I've noticed the pope and spain have been sharing media headlines together a lot recently.

    Here is a link to an article in which the Cardinal Archbishop Antonio Rouco Varela claims to a catholic gathering titled "Christian Family: the hope of Europe" that it is UNESCO's plan to turn half the population in the world, gay. Along with and old and overused theme; "The family is under attack in Spain".

    http://www.elpais.com/articulo/english/Abortion/bigger/problem/than/joblessness/says/Catholic/Church/elpepueng/20120101elpeng_3/Ten


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    dmw07 wrote: »
    Gay populous will hit 50% by 2015 if Evil Atheists have their way
    What with those simply frightful gays reproducing like little bunny rabbits all the time.

    Stands to reason it does.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,092 ✭✭✭CiaranMT


    Bishop flapping lips article^^^




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭Ellis Dee


    As it happens, there was a very interesting documentary on TV (Viasat Explorer) yesterday evening. It was all about the Heaven's Gate cult, some 40 or so members of which committed suicide in 1997. They were all well-educated, some with postgraduate qualifications, had no prior history of substance abuse, serious mental health or some such problems, but they fell under the influence of a charismatic man who fed them a mixture of messianic nonsense, pseudo-science and Star Trek. He was called Marshall Applewhite, aka Bo, and his partner was Bonnie nettles, aka Peep. She died of cancer, despite the group's firm belief that they would be able to overcome death.:rolleyes:

    As with most all cults, they had to cut themselves off totally from their earlier lives, have no contact with former friends or family, dress androgynously, live without sex (even to the extent of undergoing castration) and so on.:eek:

    Finally, when the Hale-Bopp comet appeared, their leader convinced them a spaceship that would take them to God was sheltering behind it and that they would be beamed aboard it when they "exited their vehicles" (i.e. topped themselves). That is what they did as well.:rolleyes:

    I remember it being reported extensively in the media at the time, but the documentary was very interesting in that it featured video footage that had been taken in the course of many years prior to the mass-suicide.

    In my book, anyone who believes in any kind of supernatural being is unwise to say the least, but the Heaven's Gate documentary shows what total whack-jobs some people can be without giving much visible indication of it at all.:cool:

    Of course, those of you who believe in the sky fairy are probably looking forward to having a good laugh at my expense when the rapture happens.:pac:

    the-rapture-suit.jpg


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,788 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    Ellis Dee wrote: »
    As it happens, there was a very interesting documentary on TV (Viasat Explorer) yesterday evening. It was all about the Heaven's Gate cult, some 40 or so members of which committed suicide in 1997. They were all well-educated, some with postgraduate qualifications, had no prior history of substance abuse, serious mental health or some such problems, but they fell under the influence of a charismatic man who fed them a mixture of messianic nonsense, pseudo-science and Star Trek. He was called Marshall Applewhite, aka Bo, and his partner was Bonnie nettles, aka Peep. She died of cancer, despite the group's firm belief that they would be able to overcome death.:rolleyes:

    As with most all cults, they had to cut themselves off totally from their earlier lives, have no contact with former friends or family, dress androgynously, live without sex (even to the extent of undergoing castration) and so on.:eek:

    Finally, when the Hale-Bopp comet appeared, their leader convinced them a spaceship that would take them to God was sheltering behind it and that they would be beamed aboard it when they "exited their vehicles" (i.e. topped themselves). That is what they did as well.:rolleyes:

    I remember it being reported extensively in the media at the time, but the documentary was very interesting in that it featured video footage that had been taken in the course of many years prior to the mass-suicide.

    In my book, anyone who believes in any kind of supernatural being is unwise to say the least, but the Heaven's Gate documentary shows what total whack-jobs some people can be without giving much visible indication of it at all.:cool:

    Of course, those of you who believe in the sky fairy are probably looking forward to having a good laugh at my expense when the rapture happens.:pac:

    the-rapture-suit.jpg
    But can you actually prove they are not on the spaceship now?

    MrP


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    dmw07 wrote: »
    UNESCO's plan to turn half the population in the world, gay.

    "The Minister for Family of the Papal Government, Cardinal Antonelli, told me a few days ago in Zaragoza that UNESCO has a program for the next 20 years to make half the world population homosexual. To do this they have distinct programs, and will continue to implant the ideology that is already present in our schools."

    This a a prime example of why we should never have closed the Irish diplomatic mission to the Papal Government. Now we are only getting this vital information from the Vatican's Minister for Family second hand. Who knows what additional info relating to this plan to convert half the world to gayness we are missing out on.
    I have suspected for a while now that UNESCO are building a massive Gay Ray at a secret mountaintop facility in Switzerland. I believe this program involves a master plan to bounce the Gay Ray off satellites, thereby irradiating the whole world in one fell swoop.
    blofeld1.jpg


  • Registered Users Posts: 81,223 ✭✭✭✭biko


    A 35-year-old Iranian web programmer is facing imminent execution in connection with developing and promoting porn websites, charges that his family insist are trumped up.

    Saeed Malekpour, a permanent resident of Canada who was arrested in October 2008 after his arrival in Tehran, is convicted of designing and moderating adult content websites, acting against the national security, insulting and desecrating the principles of Islam, and agitating the public mind.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/09/iranian-death-sentence-pornography


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  • Registered Users Posts: 33,240 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    biko wrote: »
    A 35-year-old Iranian web programmer is facing imminent execution in connection with developing and promoting porn websites, charges that his family insist are trumped up.

    Saeed Malekpour, a permanent resident of Canada who was arrested in October 2008 after his arrival in Tehran, is convicted of designing and moderating adult content websites, acting against the national security, insulting and desecrating the principles of Islam, and agitating the public mind.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/feb/09/iranian-death-sentence-pornography

    "He insulted and desecrated the principles of Islam, and agitated the public mind... So let's execute him!"


  • Moderators Posts: 51,713 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    could someone clear something up for me about that story? it says that the programmer is a permanent resident of Canada.

    So is Iran going to execute him for crimes he didn't commit in Iran. Granted the web is global, but if he's in Canada surely he isn't under Irans jurisdiction?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    koth wrote: »
    could someone clear something up for me about that story? it says that the programmer is a permanent resident of Canada.

    So is Iran going to execute him for crimes he didn't commit in Iran. Granted the web is global, but if he's in Canada surely he isn't under Irans jurisdiction?

    Yup. The web is seen as the West's way of attempting to corrupt the youth of Iran. So it's very much an Iranian issue in their eyes. What a f**ked up nation.


  • Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    As he's an Iranian citizen, presumably Iran believe they have jurisdiction over his brain, so any thought-crimes he commits are punishable in Iran.


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,240 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    koth wrote: »
    could someone clear something up for me about that story? it says that the programmer is a permanent resident of Canada.

    So is Iran going to execute him for crimes he didn't commit in Iran. Granted the web is global, but if he's in Canada surely he isn't under Irans jurisdiction?

    "...acting against the national security..."

    Whatever the hell that means, I guess. But while the crimes, or should I say "crimes", were committed in Canada, the article says "a permanent resident of Canada who was arrested in October 2008 after his arrival in Tehran", so I'm guessing he went to Tehran by his own choice, but was then arrested, rather than being arrested in Canada and taken to Tehran


  • Moderators Posts: 51,713 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Jernal wrote: »
    Yup. The web is seen as the West's way of attempting to corrupt the youth of Iran. So it's very much an Iranian issue in their eyes. What a f**ked up nation.

    so it seems that the story is as screwed up as I thought.

    So people that upload anything to the web need to be aware they're breaking Iranian law, regardless of where they are in the world? Crazy stuff :eek::eek:

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭Mark Hamill


    koth wrote: »
    so it seems that the story is as screwed up as I thought.

    Its even more screwed up when you read the third paragraph:
    Speaking from Toronto, Malekpour's wife, Fatemeh Eftekhari, said her husband has been informed of the verdict and has been transferred to solitary confinement for the sentence to be administered if the supreme court sanctions it. She says her husband was a web programmer who had written photo uploading software that was used in a porn website without his knowledge.

    The accused wrote software for uploading pictures to the net, which was then used by a pornographic site without his knowledge, and he will be executed for it. Under that logic the creators of Google could be executed in Iran for the same thing.


  • Moderators Posts: 51,713 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    Its even more screwed up when you read the third paragraph:


    The accused wrote software for uploading pictures to the net, which was then used by a pornographic site without his knowledge, and he will be executed for it. Under that logic the creators of Google could be executed in Iran for the same thing.

    And people at Microsoft, whatever company manufactured the computer and the telecoms company that supplies his interweb connection. The list is endless.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    koth wrote: »
    if he's in Canada surely he isn't under Irans jurisdiction?

    "Malekpour, who is a permanent Canadian resident on the path the citizenship there, returned to his native Iran in 2008 to visit his dying grandfather.
    He was picked up off the street by plainclothes Iranian policemen and taken to Evin Prison
    "


    Here's another one for the chop; former US marine Amir Hekmati from Flint, Michigan (wasn't that Michael Moore's hometown in Bowling for Columbine)
    who is accused of designing a computer game called "Assault on Iran"

    Makes you wonder why these guys don't make more use of Skype to stay in touch with the relatives back in Iran.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,788 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    recedite wrote: »
    "Malekpour, who is a permanent Canadian resident on the path the citizenship there, returned to his native Iran in 2008 to visit his dying grandfather.
    He was picked up off the street by plainclothes Iranian policemen and taken to Evin Prison"

    I would have though that the Canadian authorities might have something to say about this...

    MrP


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    MrPudding wrote: »
    I would have though that the Canadian authorities might have something to say about this...
    "What aboot his Canadian rights?"


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,788 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    Dades wrote: »
    "What aboot his Canadian rights?"

    Hmmm, not sure if you are just making an opportunist joke or if you want an answer...

    MrP


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭Genghiz Cohen


    MrPudding wrote: »
    Hmmm, not sure if you are just making an opportunist joke or if you want an answer...

    MrP

    Think aboot it!


  • Registered Users Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Ellis Dee wrote: »
    Of course, those of you who believe in the sky fairy are probably looking forward to having a good laugh at my expense when the rapture happens.:pac:

    the-rapture-suit.jpg

    What a thoughtful rapturee (if that word has not already been coined I'm having it!), didn't even spill his coffee so the heathens could have a drop of warm comfort in a cold and desolate Godless world.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,093 ✭✭✭Amtmann


    Here's a hazardous Christian:



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,993 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    MrPudding wrote: »
    I would have though that the Canadian authorities might have something to say about this...
    Not really, if you visit another country you are subject to their laws, not your own.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Kentucky - the state which wants to cut its education budget by more than the tax breaks given to a creationist amusement park:

    "In one of the most spectacularly mis-prioritized state budgets in recent memory, Kentucky Governor Steve Beshear (D), is suggesting over $50 million in cuts to education – while preserving $43 million in tax breaks for the Ark Encounter, a creationist amusement park centered around a life-sized Noah’s Ark."

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2012/01/23/kentucky-cuts-education-preserves-tax-breaks-for-creationist-theme-park/

    WTF?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    You're forgetting the Creationist dollar, Robin!

    Or are park revenues tax-exempt...?


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,240 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    A "life-sized Noah's Ark"? Presumably with enough room for 2-7 of every species of every animal, and enough division between them that they don't all eat/kill each other, and enough room for feeding and cleaning all the animals, and strong enough to hold the weight of all those animals, and strong enough to survive a global flood event....

    That needs $43million? Yet Noah is supposed to have done all that with his sons using raw materials they could find?

    I think by funding this, he's proven that the story is bullsh*t


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,399 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Dades wrote: »
    Or are park revenues tax-exempt...?
    Hard to say, since the exemptions seem to be listed as general "state tax incentives", so I suppose they're either construction subsidies, reduced tax rates on ticket sales, employee taxes or something similar:

    http://www.kentucky.com/2011/05/20/1745988/43-million-tax-break-approved.html

    The state approved $11 million dollar's worth of road improvements around the amusement park too.
    Penn wrote:
    Yet Noah is supposed to have done all that with his sons using raw materials they could find?
    I'm sure you're taking something out of context!


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