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My Circumcision Story

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,469 ✭✭✭weeder


    out of curiosity


    how can you have a **** ro sex without foreskin?
    somthing which has always bothered me for curiousity or do they leave a little bit of it or somthing


  • Registered Users Posts: 78,253 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    weeder wrote:
    how can you have a **** ro sex without foreskin?
    You can lubricate, although I think some guys still have a bit of flexibity. I'm sure the sex will have a different feeling.

    Comments?


  • Registered Users Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    I'm curious. All you guys who claim to have non-retractable foreskins, to what extent do you masturbate/did you masturbate as a teen?

    I'm 18 now, my foreskin retracts without any pain, but I don't remember it always being that easy to retract. I believe the reason it is easy to retract now is due to my experimenting while masturbating. I first noticed it retracting a bit more than usual when I was in the shower and got an erection - the hot water loosened the foreskin and enlarged my penis slightly more than usual. I could retract it fully if I wanted to, although it was a bit tight and unpleasant/mildly painful at the time. Then, when I started experimenting with lube I found it retracted the whole way quite easily. At first it was mildly uncomfortable masturbating with lube rather than my foreskin to eliminate friction, but fine after I was used to it.(I still prefer masutrbating with my foreskin over my glans, however, exposing it gives some fun masturbation possibilities).

    Basically, I'm no expert, but it seems guys on this thread are jumping into circumcision a bit too quickly. Just because it is painful to retract your foreskin when your penis is dry doesn't mean you need one. Before you decide to even consider it I'd strongly advise you to experiment while masturbating. In a shower or a hot bath see if it goes back any further, masturbate with lube and see if it retracts/you can retract it. It'll be a bit uncomfortable at first when it's rolled back, using more lube will help reduce this, however, and after a couple of times there shouldn't be too much discomfort.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,914 ✭✭✭✭tbh


    Victor wrote:
    You can lubricate, although I think some guys still have a bit of flexibity. I'm sure the sex will have a different feeling.

    Comments?

    my family read boards, so:
    If I do it the way I did before the op, with my hand passing over the head, then I have to use lube, and it feels incredible.

    Otherwise, I can do it by gripping the shaft only - doesn't feel as good, still pretty good, but more "serving a purpose" if you know what I mean.
    :D
    curious wrote:
    Basically, I'm no expert, but it seems guys on this thread are jumping into circumcision a bit too quickly. Just because it is painful to retract your foreskin when your penis is dry doesn't mean you need one.

    you can't get one without seeing a doctor and urologist first. It's not really a matter of choice, at least it wasn't for me. It wasn't painful at all to retract my foreskin - because I couldn't do it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 757 ✭✭✭milod


    tbh wrote:
    Not to contradict Dave or anything, but just to give you another point of view - when I'd mine done it wasn't nearly as sore as I thought. Sure it was uncomfortable, but in a "grit your teeth and get on with it" way rather than a "I can't take this anymore" way. It's only sore for about 10 days anyway, each day being better than the last. Think long-term dude :)

    my advice for the op itself? Don't look down! I had a general an. so I can't really comment, but I'm sure you'll be fine.

    Thanks tbh - went in on Friday afternoon and had the job done. Phew! apart from the fact that I was awake, it was fine - didn't feel a damn thing during the procedure, though I certainly felt a small prick (boom boom!) as the anaesthetic needle went into the base of the penis - oof!

    BTW, I lay flat, listened to my MP3 player and tried not to think about what was happening. This is a good approach if you're squeamish like me and wouold rather listen to musical instruments than medical instruments...

    Then, when the anaesthetic wore off, as you say, it's not unbearable - simply popped some ibuprofen and was fine. The swelling and bruising is quite spectacular and if the doc could remove just the pain and bruising - I'd be very happy...:D

    Today, though the swelling has subsided a bit, it still looks like the dog got at it for a good chew... The only real problem for me now is the sensitivity of the head and the nocturnal erections which can be scary - again, not terribly painful or anything - it's more the fear of a stitch popping!

    Thanks to all who've posted here btw, it was good to have some sort of idea what to expect and anyone who'd like any advice/further info can PM me...


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,914 ✭✭✭✭tbh


    milod wrote:

    Today, though the swelling has subsided a bit, it still looks like the dog got at it for a good chew... .

    ha - was your consultant HG? that's the phrase he used to describe how mine would look :) Next five or six days will be uncomfortable, you'll be grand after that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 757 ✭✭✭milod


    tbh wrote:
    ha - was your consultant HG? that's the phrase he used to describe how mine would look :) Next five or six days will be uncomfortable, you'll be grand after that.

    Nope, a Mr L did the job, in a clinic in Churchtown - very proficient - it was his nurse who commented thus on the appearance afterward. Must be an industry standard... :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,914 ✭✭✭✭tbh


    milod wrote:
    Nope, a Mr L did the job, in a clinic in Churchtown - very proficient - it was his nurse who commented thus on the appearance afterward. Must be an industry standard... :D

    it's certainly true :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 78,253 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    milod wrote:
    The only real problem for me now is the sensitivity of the head and the nocturnal erections which can be scary - again, not terribly painful or anything - it's more the fear of a stitch popping!
    I thought that there was something they could give you to calm the erection. :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 757 ✭✭✭milod


    Victor wrote:
    I thought that there was something they could give you to calm the erection. :confused:

    Apparently not... Asked the Urologist and he said "the cure is worse than the symptom".

    There are fairly radical experimental drugs that have been suggested for use with agressive sex offenders - but they induce a chemical castration which is a bit severe (for urology patients, not offenders!)

    Basically I think urologists see so many guys who can't get erections that they might be less than enthusiastic about interfering with a functioning penis...

    That said, if I wake up with an erection, I just squeeze the head and wait for it to subside - I don't get erections during the day at all, only while asleep, when I'm not immediately conscious of the potential pain!

    Fear of pain is the best suppresant - I even managed to, erm, manually tend to 'her indoors' last night without the usual reaction :D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,914 ✭✭✭✭tbh


    milod wrote:
    Apparently not... Asked the Urologist and he said "the cure is worse than the symptom".

    I got an injection which lasted about 8 hours, and stopped any swelling during and immediately after the op - dunno if that's what you were thinking of Victor?


  • Registered Users Posts: 241 ✭✭gypsygirl


    A very good friend of mine had a really tight foreskin (it was even tearing on occassion) He was advised by his GP to have a circumcision, Two months before the operation tests showed he's Diabetic, He went on insulin tablets and within a couple of weeks the whole foreskin thing had resolved itself and he's absolutley fine since. just make sure circumcision really is the answer to the problem...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,914 ✭✭✭✭tbh


    gypsygirl wrote:
    A very good friend of mine had a really tight foreskin (it was even tearing on occassion) He was advised by his GP to have a circumcision, Two months before the operation tests showed he's Diabetic, He went on insulin tablets and within a couple of weeks the whole foreskin thing had resolved itself and he's absolutley fine since. just make sure circumcision really is the answer to the problem...

    Good point. I was diabetic 10 years when I got mine done, and apparently a tight foreskin is one of the side effects. Tell him to stay as well controlled as he obviously is and he'll be fine :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 757 ✭✭✭milod


    The diabetes angle is an interesting one... my doc certainly didn't order any blood tests before the referral, but I had full spectrum blood tests 6 months ago with my previous GP that gave the all clear on just about everything.

    Anyway by way of an update, I'm off to St James hospital today to get it checked over - the swelling really is far too spectacular and it's throbbing like something out of a Warner Bros cartoon, so I reckon it's infected :mad:


  • Registered Users Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    'just thought i'd throw in my tuppence worth here...


    if you even slighty think you need to get it doen : DO IT, DO IT, DO IT!!!

    i had a bit too much foreskin, which was tight at the end. My penis still functioned normally, but i was aware that i was getting a full potential erection, and then there;s other concerns like you can get infection, and it also hinders ejaculation, which obviously will affect fertility. It also didn't look the way willies to in pornos!!

    i spent the last few years worrying about it, i knew something would have to be done, but didnt want to have to go to a doctor, or have to get circumcised and have to discuss it with my parents etc. etc.


    eventually plucked up the courage to go to my GP, took one look and simply said, look just get it done. Two days later i had it done. Not that sore, just felt slightly uncomfortable. No complications, only slight bleeding on the first day. Two days later annd the swelling was already starting to go down.

    basically what i'm saying is, don't be worried about getting it done, it gets done all the time, just be mature about it. It doesn't hurt (i was put under general anaesthetic) and it's at most uncomfortable for a few days. And then the advantages just out-way the uncomfortableness by miles. and it's not that expensive (got it done here in waterford, hospital fees, consultation fee, and procedure fee all came to 1,200 euro).


    i worried about it for years, and then it was all over in a proverbial click of the fingers. Changed my life, for the better, and i just can't believe i never did sooner!!'


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,075 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    if you even slighty think you need to get it doen : DO IT, DO IT, DO IT!!!
    I would suggest a more sensible thing to do is research, research, research. It's not for everyone, particularly if the problem is a mild one. Not by a long shot.
    My penis still functioned normally, but i was aware that i was getting a full potential erection,
    Then I would suspect it wasn't functioning normally.
    and then there;s other concerns like you can get infection,
    From what? Having a functional foreskin?
    and it also hinders ejaculation, which obviously will affect fertility
    Again how? If it's a functioning foreskin how would that hinder ejaculation. Indeed because the glans is more sensitive in the uncircumcised male it would likely speed up ejaculation. You do realise you're removing some erogenous tissue in the operation?
    It also didn't look the way willies to in pornos!!
    If you're being serious here and I hope you're not, I think that is probably the silliest reason I've heard so far. Most porn is from the US where they circumcise pretty much every male soon after birth, regardless of functionality or not. Not exactly natural, now is it. If you need to have it done for purely medical reasons later in life and less invasive treatments aren't successful then that's a good reason. Loping it off because of porn actors :rolleyes: or "fashion" or to fit in or some women don't like are hardly good reasons.
    i spent the last few years worrying about it, i knew something would have to be done, but didnt want to have to go to a doctor, or have to get circumcised and have to discuss it with my parents etc. etc.
    So why not research the alternatives which don't require circumcision, especially if you had a pretty functional penis to start with? I can see why some here choose to get it done because of a serious lack of functionality, but to do it to a pretty functional penis without trying less invasive options seems a little radical.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    '
    hospital fees, consultation fee, and procedure fee all came to 1,200 euro

    Is there any way of getting it done a bit cheaper than that? I'm a cash strapped college student who doesn't have that kind of money to spend right now, yet I need a circumcision and would like to have it done asap.'


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,914 ✭✭✭✭tbh


    FT128 wrote:
    '

    Is there any way of getting it done a bit cheaper than that? I'm a cash strapped college student who doesn't have that kind of money to spend right now, yet I need a circumcision and would like to have it done asap.'

    how about VHI? Are you in a family plan? VHI paid for mine.


  • Registered Users Posts: 256 ✭✭patto_chan


    This has been interesting and informative thread.

    I too am facing the knife. An impending circumcision. It’s next week in fact.
    I must say it was a few years into adulthood before I learned that my non-retractable foreskin was not the norm. But it didn’t cause me pain, discomfort or ‘functional’ problems and so I took the attitude that ‘if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it’. After all some form of phimosis can be experienced by 10% (depending on who you ask or what web page you read). And to be honest there was probably also a degree of squeamishness/embarrassment on my part that prevented me discussing it and possible solutions with my GP.:o

    But recently I had a tiny, tiny blood discharge (no pain or irritation associated with it). Immediately had it checked out. Everything appears OK (prostate etc). Was referred to urologist for a cystoscopy (check for bladder stones). Urologist was of the opinion that, given the nature of my foreskin, the most likely cause of my problem was a tiny nick on the inside of the foreskin and that it could also make me prone to inflammation etc in the future so after discussion we decided to proceed with a circumcision.

    Since the decision has been made a few weeks ago my mood has fluctuated from bravado (‘let’s get it over with’) to squeamishness (‘is this really necessary?’). I have done some research on the interweb and have satisfied myself that circumcision is probably appropriate for me. Debated over what or how much to tell my mates but eventually ‘fessed up. Got plenty of good natured slagging and some encouragement and, sure enough, found that I knew someone who knew someone who had had it done. So it’s good to talk.

    Still not looking forward to immediate post surgery pain/discomfort, ‘morning glory’ problems :eek: and possible changes in sensitivity but the posts in this thread have given encouragement.
    I’ve estimated that a week off work to recuperate should suffice but everyone’s case is different.

    I’ll report back afterwards.


  • Registered Users Posts: 256 ✭✭patto_chan


    Had mine done today.
    Was a lot less traumatic than I expected.
    The worst thing was the wait. I was the last one called in (at about lunchtime) and everyone else in the ward was enjoying their tea and toast by then. And the smell was driving me mad as I had been fasting since last night.

    Had a general anaesthetic and woke up an hour later. Left the hospital after a few hours rest (and after I got my tea and toast).

    Am experiencing a little discomfort right now and it looks a mess. But it's bearable.
    Well I have nothing to do over the next few days except recuperate.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    This is interesting, I'm just wondering If I have a Boy, should I get him circumcised when he is a baby? By the sounds of things, foreskins seem to be a lot of hassle. On the other hand I don't want him to grow up thinking we mutilated his bits without his input...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,914 ✭✭✭✭tbh


    my 2c would be to not do it unless you had to. He might never have a problem with it, and if he does, it's easy enough to sort out later. as I said, tho, just my 2c.


  • Registered Users Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    '
    boreds wrote:
    This is interesting, I'm just wondering If I have a Boy, should I get him circumcised when he is a baby? By the sounds of things, foreskins seem to be a lot of hassle. On the other hand I don't want him to grow up thinking we mutilated his bits without his input...
    Don't. This is a thread about people with a specific medical problem, these aren't normal issues affecting the average guy. It doesn't affect most men and foreskins on guys without this condition are absolutely zero hassle. It'll make it unnecessarily harder for him to masturbate and since most guys aren't circumcised in Ireland, if he's found out to be circumcised when he's a teenager(communal showers) he could potentially face a lot of slagging over it.

    Having a guy circumcised at birth is about as useful as removing their appendix at birth. A guy should only be circumcised if a condition develops.

    Don't get me wrong, a small percentage of guys(5-10%?) may need circumcisions, and I'm sure not having a foreskin doesn't affect their lives very much, however, there's a feeling of over-enthusiasm in some posts in this thread for circumcisions(some attributed to happiness that they're getting their medical condition sorted out, others for more questionable reasons....). It should be then very last option for treating a tight foreskin IMO. It seems to me from this thread that doctors refer patients to get circumcisions done a little too readily.'


  • Registered Users Posts: 256 ✭✭patto_chan


    I would agree with tbh and curious.
    Although it's common practice in some religions/cultures, a baby cannot give informed consent.
    I would leave well enough alone unless it became necessary for medical reasons.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭metrovelvet


    boreds wrote:
    This is interesting, I'm just wondering If I have a Boy, should I get him circumcised when he is a baby? By the sounds of things, foreskins seem to be a lot of hassle. On the other hand I don't want him to grow up thinking we mutilated his bits without his input...

    Its standard practise in the US for baby boys to be circumsised as it is for muslims and jews, and a European practise not to. Also apparantly is can help prevent HIV being contracted.

    However, rumour has it that uncircumsised ones have more sensitivity but are harder to clean.


  • Registered Users Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    ' It'll make it unnecessarily harder for him to masturbate and since most guys aren't circumcised in Ireland, if he's found out to be circumcised when he's a teenager(communal showers) he could potentially face a lot of slagging over it.

    '

    This is ridiculous, I was circumcised as a child and I'm well happy with it. The thought of having a piece of skin hanging from your penis makes me sick. I never got a slagging over it. What's there to slag about? My penis just looks tidier. Doesn't have what looks like a leech hanging from it.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,075 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    boreds wrote:
    This is interesting, I'm just wondering If I have a Boy, should I get him circumcised when he is a baby? By the sounds of things, foreskins seem to be a lot of hassle. On the other hand I don't want him to grow up thinking we mutilated his bits without his input...
    Have to agree with curious and tbh on this one. If only 10% of foreskins cause trouble why remove a fully functioning part of your sexual anatomy for absolutely no reason. Even with that 10%, surgery for at least some is not always needed. If it is needed he can make that decision for himself at a later date. You could argue that because a very serious disease, breast cancer affects women, removing the breast tissue of girls would save a lot of lives. But we don't for good reason.*

    Its standard practise in the US for baby boys to be circumsised as it is for muslims and jews, and a European practise not to.
    While I can understand the religious angle, the blanket circumcision practised in the states is a bit over the top. Most of the early(victorian) medical literature on the subject in the US advocated the practice as a method to stop "excessive" masturbation. As if there is such a thing. :D It also seems to be a fashion thing too. Not a good reason to remove healthy tissue from an infant I would have thought.
    Also apparantly is can help prevent HIV being contracted.
    Depends on the studies you look at. Most of the studies involved African males. If you read them, you find that the circumcised males belonged to devout Christian and Muslim groups. Not people well known for sleeping around. That alone skews the figures. While I can see that a keratinised glans is more likely to resist the HIV virus, it's hardly a good reason to blanket circumcise infants.
    However, rumour has it that uncircumsised ones have more sensitivity but are harder to clean.
    Cleaning in the adult functioning penis is not exactly difficult. It's down to education really. Put it another way, womens genitals are far more prone to infection, but doctors aren't removing parts of their anatomy to stop that.
    circumsexy wrote:
    This is ridiculous, I was circumcised as a child and I'm well happy with it.
    You don't know any different though, do you? Speaking as someone that has a healthy one, I can assure you no amount of money would persuade me to lop it off. It's sensitive on it's own you know.
    The thought of having a piece of skin hanging from your penis makes me sick.
    I now think much the same of a particular ex of mine.
    I never got a slagging over it.
    That's good.
    My penis just looks tidier.
    Tidier? Huh. Compared to what? It's not a suit you know.
    Doesn't have what looks like a leech hanging from it.
    May I respectfully suggest that if anyone out there has what looks like a leech attached to the old fellow, he should seek medical help, along the lines of what has been outlined in this thread.

    * there are exceptions with women who may have a particular gene that makes it almost certain they will come down with the disease. In that case radical mastectomy is advised

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 994 ✭✭✭Carrigart Exile


    boreds wrote:
    This is interesting, I'm just wondering If I have a Boy, should I get him circumcised when he is a baby? By the sounds of things, foreskins seem to be a lot of hassle. On the other hand I don't want him to grow up thinking we mutilated his bits without his input...

    Its mutilation, nothing but.


  • Registered Users Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    'Got this done yesterday. Was in for 8am, back at home in bed by 2.00. :)

    No pain at all so far, a bit sensitive against clothes, and didnt sleep too well last night, but so far no problems. Although my testicles are badly bruised doesn't hurt, just looks sore.


    Have to go sort something out in the bank today, might throw a loose fitted bandage on it for a half an hour, and go in. I should be ok.'


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  • Registered Users Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    'Hey all.

    I've been following these threads about circumcision/tight foreskin etc. for a while now, as I'm suffering from the same myself. (I find my foreskin quite tight although when I'm in the shower it's easy to clean behind it. It's uncomfortable to draw it back 90% of the time. A circumcision is the last thing I want though) I finally plucked up the courage this morning to go see my doctor (after years of putting it off) Nervous as fúck so I was!

    I explained my situation to him. He had a look. All he said to me was: "You're grand!"

    I explained to him that I CAN pull the foreskin back the whole way but it's the discomfort that is my main concern.

    I asked him questions about circumcisions, steroid cream, stretching exercises, etc. He fobbed them all off, saying such things as "Just keep an eye on it, you'll be fine"

    I left the place raging.

    Sorry about the rant. I spent years worrying about this. And as soon as I decide to do something about it, I get this guy telling me to "Keep an eye on it"

    What now? Second opinion? DIY Circumcision? :)'


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