Unpopular Opinions - OP Updated with Threadban List 4/5/21

blinding · 17-01-2020 12:54am

Women !

MoashoaM · 17-01-2020 1:02am

i think the green party are a better waste of money than the main fellas.

Ash.J.Williams · 17-01-2020 1:44pm

vriesmays wrote: »

Dermot Kennedy should change his name to Kanye Westlife.

i'm not sure why it is, but acts that use absolutely no innovation whatsoever seem to have the backing of irish media and beyond, they are selling seats too which is another anomaly.

maudgonner · 17-01-2020 1:52pm

I like election posters.

There, I've said it. They build a bit of excitement for the election.* Makes the place look less bare now that the Christmas decorations are down. I like spotting the ones where the candidates look completely deranged.

(*I also really enjoy watching coverge of the counts, and would hate if we ever went to electronic voting - where's the fun in knowing the result 5 minutes after polls close?)

saabsaab · 17-01-2020 2:00pm

maudgonner wrote: »

I like election posters.

There, I've said it. They build a bit of excitement for the election.* Makes the place look less bare now that the Christmas decorations are down. I like spotting the ones where the candidates look completely deranged.

(*I also really enjoy watching coverge of the counts, and would hate if we ever went to electronic voting - where's the fun in knowing the result 5 minutes after polls close?)

They are great for fixing up old sheds!

maudgonner · 17-01-2020 2:46pm

saabsaab wrote: »

They are great for fixing up old sheds!

And they make great improvised sleds when it snows.

As long as you don't mind sitting on a politician's face, that is

Shanotheslayer · 17-01-2020 2:48pm

maudgonner wrote: »

As long as you don't mind sitting on a politician's face, that is

They'd have to buy me dinner first.

Raconteuse · 19-01-2020 4:54am

ghost of ireland past wrote: »

My unpopular opinion is that the China Credit Score is a good idea and it prevents scumbags from wrecking society. It makes China into a utopia, not a dystopia.

A second opinion is that the Chinese political system of having a benevolent dictator is a better system than ours. They are taking over the world, and they'll take over space too, with space ships, rockets and robots.

On the face of it, it seems like it might make people think before they commit crimes or act the arsehole, but in reality it is highly repressive. It does not account for nuance - like people making minor errors. It doesn't consider simply being human.

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

i'm not sure why it is, but acts that use absolutely no innovation whatsoever seem to have the backing of irish media and beyond, they are selling seats too which is another anomaly.

Blandness is hugely popular anywhere - look at Ed Sheeran and Michael Buble.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 19-01-2020 6:23am

Raconteuse wrote: »

On the face of it, it seems like it might make people think before they commit crimes or act the arsehole, but in reality it is highly repressive. It does not account for nuance - like people making minor errors. It doesn't consider simply being human.

Like any political system, it has it's good points and bad points... but their system works at least as well if not better than western liberal democracies!

Individuals are expendable in China, that's the harsh reality, which is quite a shocking idea for most westerners to wrap their head around... where we worship the individual over the collective!

I don't think I would choose to live there, but I could see myself fitting in if I needed to live there... many westerners would struggle to adapt though imo. Thankfully it will probably be another 100 years or so before they take over the world, so nothing to worry about for a while... although I think learning mandarin would not be a bad idea!

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! · 19-01-2020 6:44am

After all the scandals with the catholic church in this country, we as a people and as a country, should have stripped the church of most of their assets and given them back to the local communities!

Why does a local parish priest get to live in some huge grand old manor house, often the largest house in their village/town... while other locals might be struggling to afford a house of any kind?

They're not even allowed to get married or have any kids... they have no need to live in such opulence... And I think this also still gives them a certain stature and status in society, which they do not deserve to have!

And these grand big old churches too... many of them would make great community centres etc... we could easily repurpose them and move the sunday mass into a large porta-cabin. The numbers attending mass these days, don't really justify such huge buildings anyway... but more importantly does the catholic church deserve to hold on to such assets/buildings?

I've no issue with allowing people to practice their religion of choice btw... it's mostly just the status and power that an institution like the catholic church still maintains in this country, that irritates me tbh...

ghost of ireland past · 20-01-2020 12:13pm

China Social Credit Score.

Raconteuse wrote: »

On the face of it, it seems like it might make people think before they commit crimes or act the arsehole, but in reality it is highly repressive. It does not account for nuance - like people making minor errors. It doesn't consider simply being human.
...

People will quickly learn the rules.

People learn not to put their hand in the fire. They don't ask the fire to be nicer to them.

People drive on the left. Imagine the chaos if we all decided for ourselves?

In China people follow the rules as they are easy to follow and people know the rules.

Their supposedly 'totalitarian' system appears to be better than ours, as our system seems to refuse to punish criminals and it certainly fails to take criminals off the streets.

I want the law enforced as I am not a criminal.

Winning_Stroke · 20-01-2020 12:22pm

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

After all the scandals with the catholic church in this country, we as a people and as a country, should have stripped the church of most of their assets and given them back to the local communities!

Imo the degree to which anti-Catholic sentiment has become normalised in this country is a way of dealing with collective national guilt of the Magdalen etc. by dumping all of the anger and hatred onto the most easy part of the system to which an individual can detach.

The laundries didn't just appear out of nowhere. The communities, state, families, Catholic church and other organisations all played a part in what happened.

Antares35 · 20-01-2020 12:30pm

Winning_Stroke wrote: »

Imo the degree to which anti-Catholic sentiment has become normalised in this country is a way of dealing with collective national guilt of the Magdalen etc. by dumping all of the anger and hatred onto the most easy part of the system to which an individual can detach.

The laundries didn't just appear out of nowhere. The communities, state, families, Catholic church and other organisations all played a part in what happened.

Yes! It's not like the laundries went door to door looking for unmarred pregnant women. Those women were impregnated by men who never had to face the consequences of their actions, and were most likely dumped in the laundries by their fathers.

mr_fegelien · 20-01-2020 5:33pm

I don't think women are as attracted to men as vice versa. I've had a few female friend and male friends, the latter no matter whether their lads lads or even feminine lads talk about how good looking women are they pass by and would like to **** them.

I've never heard a woman say this about a man. Sure they find him attractive but wouldn't **** him until she got to know him a bit.

Lyan · 20-01-2020 8:03pm

mr_fegelien wrote: »

I don't think women are as attracted to men as vice versa. I've had a few female friend and male friends, the latter no matter whether their lads lads or even feminine lads talk about how good looking women are they pass by and would like to **** them.

I've never heard a woman say this about a man. Sure they find him attractive but wouldn't **** him until she got to know him a bit.

It's the evolutionary dynamic between the sexes.

whisky_galore · 20-01-2020 8:22pm

maudgonner wrote: »

And they make great improvised sleds when it snows.

As long as you don't mind sitting on a politician's face, that is

They're going to have their faces up voters' buttcheeks for the next while anyhow.

Raconteuse · 24-01-2020 10:56am

ghost of ireland past wrote: »

China Social Credit Score.

People will quickly learn the rules.

People learn not to put their hand in the fire. They don't ask the fire to be nicer to them.

People drive on the left. Imagine the chaos if we all decided for ourselves?

In China people follow the rules as they are easy to follow and people know the rules.

Their supposedly 'totalitarian' system appears to be better than ours, as our system seems to refuse to punish criminals and it certainly fails to take criminals off the streets.

I want the law enforced as I am not a criminal.

It's also severely punishing people for tiny transgressions though - not at all just criminality. Like other utopian ideals, people being human isn't taken into account.

Winning_Stroke wrote: »

Imo the degree to which anti-Catholic sentiment has become normalised in this country is a way of dealing with collective national guilt of the Magdalen etc. by dumping all of the anger and hatred onto the most easy part of the system to which an individual can detach.

The laundries didn't just appear out of nowhere. The communities, state, families, Catholic church and other organisations all played a part in what happened.

I'd say the anger is because of children getting raped and the living sh1t beaten out of them rather than collective guilt, but it is true that elements of society were complicit.

ghost of ireland past · 24-01-2020 11:51am

What do you mean by 'people being human'?

People learn not to put their hand in the fire.
Is that not enough proof for you, that people can learn rules?

You're insisting that childish people who can't follow rules should be pandered to, and allowed to disrupt society.

I'm sorry but I don't agree.

Raconteuse · 24-01-2020 11:57am

ghost of ireland past wrote: »

What do you mean by 'people being human'?

People learn not to put their hand in the fire.
Is that not enough proof for you, that people can learn rules?

You're insisting that childish people who can't follow rules should be pandered to, and allowed to disrupt society.

I'm sorry but I don't agree.

Seriously? People's spending and travel habits are monitored and used to score them. This isn't just about criminal/anti social behaviour (I wouldn't mind it so much then) - it's about total control. Nobody would like that (except for the controllers).

ghost of ireland past · 24-01-2020 12:31pm

It's not about total control. It's about 'some control'.

Is it wrong to put cameras on traffic lights which record when people break the lights?
Are you against criminals getting caught?

I don't support the Irish system of people having hundred's of convictions. I'd be willing to try a new system but I agree it'd have to be eased in over the course of about 40 years. Irish people have become used to having little to no enforcement of necessary laws.

The problem is people don't want to come down hard on their friends and neighbours, but that is their job if they're a police officer. Cameras don't have feelings so they're better in that regard.

If you've been hard done by you can go to court to argue your case.

Raconteuse · 24-01-2020 12:55pm

Well I said I don't see the issue with controlling criminality/anti social behaviour, but it doesn't just control that - it monitors mundane things too. It's not about controlling criminality - it's about having a population of compliant drones. If it was just about controlling criminality/asb I'd be all for it.

ghost of ireland past · 24-01-2020 2:01pm

In what way is it not about controlling criminality?

Where are you getting your information from?

Our current system of law and order in Ireland is not working. We need something new, and using technology to detect drime is a new thing, and we should use it.

What is the purpose of a population?
What is wrong with compliant drones?
What is the alternative?
non-compliant non-drones?

Crazy, unpredictable people everywhere, like America I suppose?

Ironicname · 24-01-2020 2:23pm

ghost of ireland past wrote:

Crazy, unpredictable people everywhere, like America I suppose?

You'd prefer predictable people everywhere? Jesus man, I honestly hope you never get to live in your utopia. I'd hate to live there

Raconteuse · 24-01-2020 3:14pm

Ironicname wrote: »

You'd prefer predictable people everywhere? Jesus man, I honestly hope you never get to live in your utopia. I'd hate to live there

So would that poster. Tis grand and easy to praise when not having to live in it.

It isn't JUST about controlling crime/anti social behaviour there - it's obvious what I meant. The pedantry. A system of controlling mundane aspects of people's private lives is never to be recommended. This doesn't mean being ok though with how crazily lenient things are in this country though, or being ok with chaos. That's silly putting words in the mouth. It's not a case of just one or the other.

I would like more of a clampdown on crime and ASB but the system in China is going way too far beyond that. Just look at any of the investigative reports. A person's spending and travel habits do not need to be monitored.

ghost of ireland past · 24-01-2020 5:46pm

Where is the evidence that the China Social Credit System attacks mundane aspects of your life?

A facial recognition camera is just the same as a human policeman, but with better awareness. A better policeman.

We live in a system of laws and rules today but we don't describe them as oppressive. We do say some things are nanny state, like sugar taxes.

If the government offered better enforcement of existing laws would you prefer that?
What about total enforcement?, but with a right to explain yourself in court if you want.

Cameras offer the chance of close to total enforcement, and a Social Credit system allows for punishment which works to change behaviour.

A Utopia for All, including for the criminals who are saved from a unproductive life of petty crime.

Justin Credible Darts · 24-01-2020 6:54pm

you will always find the people who complain about the law being too intrusive, are the people who never had to live in rough areas surrounded by scum, anti social behavior, etc.

Were they seeing what a lot of people see, and have to deal with, they might welcome more stringent laws of certain behavior

vriesmays · 24-01-2020 7:04pm

Jim Sheridan is a bad TV director whose reputation in Hollywood has collapsed since he got found out.

Ironicname · 25-01-2020 1:39am

ghost of ireland past wrote:

If the government offered better enforcement of existing laws would you prefer that? What about total enforcement?, but with a right to explain yourself in court if you want.

Totalitarianism? No thanks brother. I'd prefer it to be the way it is.

ghost of ireland past · 25-01-2020 2:07pm

This attitude is difficult for me to understand.
People don't want total enforcement of the law?
So what do they want? partial enforcement, or no enforcement?

I think if we have laws we should aim for total enforcement, or else repeal the law entirely.

Complaining about total enforcement is not consistent with wanting the law in the first place. I find it bizarre that non-criminals would want a system of partial enforcement, and would want people with hundred's of convictions on the streets.

I have no real problem with using technology to enforce necessary laws. I can see that Irish society does have a problem. Ordinary people need to learn that the current system benefits petty criminals and it doesn't benefit the majority of people.

I only support a system which controls criminal behaviour, and serious anti social behaviour. Choosing exactly what they are though is tricky.

vriesmays · 25-01-2020 2:11pm

The next small town who protests that asylum seekers are welcome should be made house every one of them from direct provision.

Raconteuse · 25-01-2020 2:36pm

ghost of ireland past wrote: »

This attitude is difficult for me to understand.
People don't want total enforcement of the law?
So what do they want? partial enforcement, or no enforcement?

I think if we have laws we should aim for total enforcement, or else repeal the law entirely.

Complaining about total enforcement is not consistent with wanting the law in the first place. I find it bizarre that non-criminals would want a system of partial enforcement, and would want people with hundred's of convictions on the streets.

I have no real problem with using technology to enforce necessary laws. I can see that Irish society does have a problem. Ordinary people need to learn that the current system benefits petty criminals and it doesn't benefit the majority of people.

I only support a system which controls criminal behaviour, and serious anti social behaviour. Choosing exactly what they are though is tricky.

How can you not understand people not wanting an authoritarian system? People can still want a more severe clampdown on crime/ASB yet not want the civil liberties of law abiding people impinged upon. These two views are not mutually exclusive.

ghost of ireland past · 25-01-2020 2:57pm

I don't understand what civil liberties are being infringed when the law is enforced.

There are two separate issues here, detection of crime, and punishment of crime.

Cameras offer the chance of close to 100% detection of certain crimes.

A Social Credit System allows for punishment of those crimes in a way which matters to people, and which therefore changes their behaviour, in ways that society wants.

We already have Social Credit in Ireland. No homeless people were allowed to gaze upon the Queen when she visited. They were considered not to have sufficient social credit.

I'm just saying we should be brave about it, and be honest, and not sneak around behind people's backs banning homeless people from the streets.

Ironicname · 25-01-2020 6:08pm

ghost of ireland past wrote:

I don't understand what civil liberties are being infringed when the law is enforced.

What law and what prohibition would you like to see?

Dancewithme · 01-02-2020 1:07am

I hate Yankee candles. They smell disgusting and make me cough. I open a window if the room needs airing.

Sambuca kid 123 · 01-02-2020 10:39am

vriesmays wrote: »

The next small town who protests that asylum seekers are welcome should be made house every one of them from direct provision.

We should accept asylum seekers however areas accepting should have the necessary housing,jobs and services available for the asylum seekers when they move in.
Not just bung them in a provision centre in Donegal or Leitrim that are struggling to provide the basics for the people already living there.
I know a lot of people in these counties and thier realistic views are being treated as rascist which couldn't be further from the truth. As with most areas there is some rascist but don't let that deflect from the real issue that they have.

ghost of ireland past · 01-02-2020 12:48pm

My unpopular opinion is that our government hates our people and intends to destroy our society.

Charlie Flanagan is a traitor to Ireland, like his father before him.

Leo is depraved and hateful.

vriesmays · 01-02-2020 1:02pm

Ireland is now a feminine society, most Eastern European countries are still masculine societies. That's why they don't accept 3rd world chancers and their women are more attractive.

smilerf · 05-02-2020 10:42am

Camera's on smartphones these days are really good but they look absolutely hideous.
Huge 4 camera circles or huge square
No thanks

Shady Grady · 06-02-2020 1:30am

I love drinking Mead, but everyone I know turns their noses at it.It is just lovely.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 06-02-2020 4:23am

Sambuca kid 123 wrote: »

We should accept asylum seekers however areas accepting should have the necessary housing,jobs and services available for the asylum seekers when they move in.
Not just bung them in a provision centre in Donegal or Leitrim that are struggling to provide the basics for the people already living there.
I know a lot of people in these counties and thier realistic views are being treated as rascist which couldn't be further from the truth. As with most areas there is some rascist but don't let that deflect from the real issue that they have.

How do these struggles to provide basics manifest? I’m from a small town in one of the more economically-depressed parts of the country and it’s a town that has housed asylum seekers for a long time. I haven’t lived there for a while myself but have lots of family who still do, including my parents. I’m not going to say it’s utopia but it’s a functioning town with all the necessary services, some of which have been refurbished recently. It’s a normal market town with low crime. How the housing of asylum seekers is supposed to have damaged my hometown, I do not know. Genuinely.

06-02-2020 6:28am

Men and women should get paid the same for sport regardless whether or not they're participating directly against one another; especially in the same tournament where they play simultaneously eg tennis at Wimbledon.

It's also sexist that they have to be confined to their own gender identity when competing; well apart from novelty events like mixed doubles.

The ISPS Handa Vic Open is a shining example of this new thinking. Golf is far ahead in terms of fairness compared to soccer for example.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjw3beYk7znAhXCuHEKHZlABb8QqQIIMCgAMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lpga.com%2Fnews%2F2020-isps-handa-vic-open-pioneers-new-thinking&usg=AOvVaw0Hq_RIRFDI6C4B_ixARP6T

#notbeforetoimeyouruddybogans

I can see why this might be an unpopular opinion, but thanks to great work from millionaire celebrities and the like it'll soon be hopefully confined to history

smilerf · 06-02-2020 8:11am

Get real you can't have a man playing dress up in a woman's event

Justin Credible Darts · 06-02-2020 8:39am

Deleted User wrote: »

Men and women should get paid the same for sport regardless whether or not they're participating directly against one another; especially in the same tournament where they play simultaneously eg tennis at Wimbledon.

It's also sexist that they have to be confined to their own gender identity when competing; well apart from novelty events like mixed doubles.

The ISPS Handa Vic Open is a shining example of this new thinking. Golf is far ahead in terms of fairness compared to soccer for example.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjw3beYk7znAhXCuHEKHZlABb8QqQIIMCgAMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lpga.com%2Fnews%2F2020-isps-handa-vic-open-pioneers-new-thinking&usg=AOvVaw0Hq_RIRFDI6C4B_ixARP6T

#notbeforetoimeyouruddybogans

I can see why this might be an unpopular opinion, but thanks to great work from millionaire celebrities and the like it'll soon be hopefully confined to history

Utter delusion.
Tell me how would womens soccer pay their players the same money as the men when their gates are pathetic.

Even if the compete in the same event , lets say at a game like darts, why should the women, who are worse, and that is a fact, get the same as the men who are better, plus it is proven that dart sessions with there are more womens games, sell less, because people dont care.., and have less interest in a more inferior product.

In sport some people are better than others and deserve more, and in most cases get it due to them being reason for ticket sales.

06-02-2020 8:44am

I don't understand why men are necessarily better at darts than women..is it just down to playing it longer?..

Darts is very lower class too..

Rodin · 06-02-2020 8:48am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Men and women should get paid the same for sport regardless whether or not they're participating directly against one another; especially in the same tournament where they play simultaneously eg tennis at Wimbledon.

It's also sexist that they have to be confined to their own gender identity when competing; well apart from novelty events like mixed doubles.

The ISPS Handa Vic Open is a shining example of this new thinking. Golf is far ahead in terms of fairness compared to soccer for example.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjw3beYk7znAhXCuHEKHZlABb8QqQIIMCgAMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lpga.com%2Fnews%2F2020-isps-handa-vic-open-pioneers-new-thinking&usg=AOvVaw0Hq_RIRFDI6C4B_ixARP6T

#notbeforetoimeyouruddybogans

I can see why this might be an unpopular opinion, but thanks to great work from millionaire celebrities and the like it'll soon be hopefully confined to history

Sportspeople should be paid according to how much money they generate.
That is the nature of professional sport.
How would you propose to pay female footballers the same as men when they generate a fraction of the income?

Rodin · 06-02-2020 8:50am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Men and women should get paid the same for sport regardless whether or not they're participating directly against one another; especially in the same tournament where they play simultaneously eg tennis at Wimbledon.

It's also sexist that they have to be confined to their own gender identity when competing; well apart from novelty events like mixed doubles.

The ISPS Handa Vic Open is a shining example of this new thinking. Golf is far ahead in terms of fairness compared to soccer for example.

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=newssearch&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjw3beYk7znAhXCuHEKHZlABb8QqQIIMCgAMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lpga.com%2Fnews%2F2020-isps-handa-vic-open-pioneers-new-thinking&usg=AOvVaw0Hq_RIRFDI6C4B_ixARP6T

#notbeforetoimeyouruddybogans

I can see why this might be an unpopular opinion, but thanks to great work from millionaire celebrities and the like it'll soon be hopefully confined to history

I think you'll find women would be the first to complain if gender separation was eliminated in professional sport. There probably wouldn't be a single female athlete at the Olympics if they had to compete against men.

Omackeral · 06-02-2020 8:55am

Rodin wrote: »

I think you'll find women would be the first to complain if gender separation was eliminated in professional sport. There probably wouldn't be a single female athlete at the Olympics if they had to compete against men.

There might be. But they’d be the type that used to have/still have a cock. See McKinnion, Rachel.

Rodin · 06-02-2020 9:04am

Omackeral wrote: »

There might be. But they’d be the type that used to have/still have a cock. See McKinnion, Rachel.

Can't stand him.
I'd be rightly annoyed if Id to compete against him.

Millicently · 06-02-2020 11:25am

Rodin wrote: »

I think you'll find women would be the first to complain if gender separation was eliminated in professional sport. There probably wouldn't be a single female athlete at the Olympics if they had to compete against men.

There are already men who say that they identify as women competing in sports at a professional level and they win because women are at a physical disadvantage to them. On a different note, the Williams sisters are physically taller and far more masculine in their build than most of the male players.

whisky_galore · 06-02-2020 11:39am

smilerf wrote: »

Get real you can't have a man playing dress up in a woman's event

Sure they can, look at the lads that get up in drag for the ladies marathon. Bet they think they're hilarious...as if they're the first ones to think of doing that.

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