Garda shoots dog in Longford

Jeff2 · 06-12-2018 2:21am

He shot an Alsatian.
There is no such breed.

Ghost dog is my guess.

Or there was a German shepherd there.

Signore Fancy Pants · 06-12-2018 2:22am

mattser wrote: »

Later that day, the AH experts on ....well....everything, hadn't moved forward an inch. But they had a great time dissing each other, while the rest of us were at work.

Your first post here really helps to move the discussion along.

Thanks for posting.

JJayoo · 06-12-2018 2:25am

20 years ago the independent printed this

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/marriage-link-to-traveller-illness-26177443.html

Inbreeding amongst the traveller community is a huge issue and I doubt it has improved over the last 20 years. It leads to a whole range of intellectual issues.

It would be inconceivable in this political correct age for an issue like this to be brought up. Lower IQs, a symptom of inbreeding, is a massive precursor for anti social behaviour.

Heckler · 06-12-2018 2:25am

SeSanta Pants wrote: »

Sound, I don't want to be coming across as a d1ck but we actually have experienced the need to shoot dogs in the past.

However, a 9mm round is still a serious calibre...I wouldnt fancy getting hit with one :pac:

Me neither ! Can I ask what your background is ? If you are so familiar with firearms etc. ?

tuxy · 06-12-2018 2:25am

Jeff2 wrote: »

He shot an Alsatian.
There is no such breed.

Ghost dog is my guess.

Or there was a German shepherd there.

While I agree it may be best to not use such British terms. Alsatian is in the oxford dictionary and it is British English that we all speak on this island.

Nekarsulm · 06-12-2018 2:32am

JJayoo wrote: »

A tie is basically a noose around your neck

If you grabbed our local Sergents tie, I'd say you'd be lucky to get off with a dislocated shoulder

sligojoek · 06-12-2018 2:40am

Well one thing we've established anyway is, the Guard and the van driver weren't mates, which was first suggested on Broadsheet yesterday morning and taken as gospel. Unless the Guard served in cork before he was transferred to Longford.

Transit driver: "Tom I'm coming up your way tomorrow to collect an auld truck that I got a bit of work done on. I think the garage may be a bit dodgy, so, is there any chance you'd come along and bring the gun with you in case there's any hassle.

Tom: "No worries. What caliber would you like?

suicide_circus · 06-12-2018 4:33am

Ghost dog?!! Zoyks!!

Thepillowman · 06-12-2018 7:59am

sligojoek wrote: »

Well one thing we've established anyway is, the Guard and the van driver weren't mates, which was first suggested on Broadsheet yesterday morning and taken as gospel. Unless the Guard served in cork before he was transferred to Longford.

Transit driver: "Tom I'm coming up your way tomorrow to collect an auld truck that I got a bit of work done on. I think the garage may be a bit dodgy, so, is there any chance you'd come along and bring the gun with you in case there's any hassle.

Tom: "No worries. What caliber would you like?

" I want a normal gun for a normal person " and some dum dums.

Reati · 06-12-2018 8:04am

JJayoo wrote: »

20 years ago the independent printed this

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/marriage-link-to-traveller-illness-26177443.html

Inbreeding amongst the traveller community is a huge issue and I doubt it has improved over the last 20 years. It leads to a whole range of intellectual issues.

It would be inconceivable in this political correct age for an issue like this to be brought up. Lower IQs, a symptom of inbreeding, is a massive precursor for anti social behaviour.

You'd never get away with printing that these days.

Danzy · 06-12-2018 8:23am

The Guard has armed officers at his house now for protection.

People are pretending that he was calling out to the boy scouts rather than some of the most vicious people in the country.

He has good reason to fear for his life and his family.

They would think nothing of killing him.

gwalk · 06-12-2018 8:34am

Still baffled by the amount of itinerant apologists that pop up preaching their self righteous bleeding heart sh*te

Gravelly · 06-12-2018 8:55am

JJayoo wrote: »

20 years ago the independent printed this

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/marriage-link-to-traveller-illness-26177443.html

Inbreeding amongst the traveller community is a huge issue and I doubt it has improved over the last 20 years. It leads to a whole range of intellectual issues.

It would be inconceivable in this political correct age for an issue like this to be brought up. Lower IQs, a symptom of inbreeding, is a massive precursor for anti social behaviour.

Not only would there be no way that would be printed today, I very much doubt any academic would carry out such research as it would be frowned upon. This is one of the reasons that these days, apologists for the darker aspects of all kinds of protected minorities can cry “there’s no proof of that” when such things are brought up.

nice_guy80 · 06-12-2018 8:57am

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/body-of-dog-shot-dead-by-garda-in-tense-confrontation-cant-be-found-37600183.html

Pray for Doggy Stokes

Gravelly · 06-12-2018 8:58am

nice_guy80 wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/body-of-dog-shot-dead-by-garda-in-tense-confrontation-cant-be-found-37600183.html

Pray for Doggy Stokes

The poor little angle.

boombang · 06-12-2018 9:04am

Gravelly wrote: »

Not only would there be no way that would be printed today, I very much doubt any academic would carry out such research as it would be frowned upon. This is one of the reasons that these days, apologists for the darker aspects of all kinds of protected minorities can cry “there’s no proof of that” when such things are brought up.

Here's a recent academic article from Ireland on the issue that mentions travellers.https://www.researchgate.net/publication/283079071_A_review_of_consanguinity_in_Ireland-estimation_of_frequency_and_approaches_to_mitigate_risks

Also, I've seen a HSE page on the risks of cousin marriage which I think is fairly clearly aimed at our friends.

I agree that you wouldn't get away with printing medical truth like that in a newspaper any more. Crazy censorship by the bleeding hearts.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i · 06-12-2018 9:07am

Omari Round Muck wrote: »

Whatever about him shooting the mans foot but only a physcopath would murder a dog

Yea, so maximum marks for the outrage, but dogs cannot be murdered. Murder is reserved for humans and humans only

As for "only a psycopath would kill a dog", that's also incredibly wrong. Blinkered opinion :rolleyes:

Captain Obvious · 06-12-2018 9:15am

Abram Scruffy Coriander wrote: »

I wasn't being intentionally condescending but if you're had experience with both its been poorly served (and that's me being nice to you, hows that?).

I'm gonna stick with my assessment that you are simply confusing the two.

Graniteville · 06-12-2018 9:28am

Danzy wrote: »

The Guard has armed officers at his house now for protection.

People are pretending that he was calling out to the boy scouts rather than some of the most vicious people in the country.

He has good reason to fear for his life and his family.

They would think nothing of killing him.

The sooner the political establishment grows balls and call the traveller crimina fraternity out for what they are - a major criminal organisation and treat each and every traveller as a criminal unless they can prove otherwise, the better for the country.

The apologists won't like this, but I suspect that you could show that the MAJORITY* of adult travellers have a criminal conviction. - Hence, there should be no issue calling them for what they are - a deep rooted criminal organisation and ZERO taxpayer funds should be directed to them until that changes.

* Over 30% of adult travellers will spend time in prison at some stage in their lives for criminality. (CSO figures) Considering that less than 20% of criminal convictions result in a custodial sentence, its highly likely that the majority of adult traveller have a criminal conviction.

baldbear · 06-12-2018 9:28am

I was looking at a facebuke page of a traveller I was in school with. A cousin of this guy.

Posting alot of pictures of the gard up,posting pictures of a sun journalist who didn't write what the Stokes chap wanted him to print & is now using an old picture of the dog k9 that was missing in November.

Signore Fancy Pants · 06-12-2018 9:31am

Captain Obvious wrote: »

I'm gonna stick with my assessment that you are simply confusing the two.

Your assessment is fundamentally wrong.

You say Makikomi is confusing the 'rules of engagement' between two entities but Makikomi is talking about 'degrees of force'.

You claim to have trained in both the military and the police, yet it is you who is confused with 'degrees of force' and 'rules or engagement'.

Did you serve in the police or military, if so, where? Because this looks like poor training.

corner of hells · 06-12-2018 9:58am

Señor Santa Pants wrote: »

Your assessment is fundamentally wrong.

You say Makikomi is confusing the 'rules of engagement' between two entities but Makikomi is talking about 'degrees of force'.

You claim to have trained in both the military and the police, yet it is you who is confused with 'degrees of force' and 'rules or engagement'.

Did you serve in the police or military, if so, where? Because this looks like poor training.

FCA PA ?

Nermal · 06-12-2018 10:03am

Danzy wrote: »

The Guard has armed officers at his house now for protection.

People are pretending that he was calling out to the boy scouts rather than some of the most vicious people in the country.

He has good reason to fear for his life and his family.

They would think nothing of killing him.

Intimidation, 5 years maximum yes?

Should be applied to anyone who posted his details on social media, or anyone who reacted positively to such a post.

gctest50 · 06-12-2018 10:09am

Nermal wrote: »

Intimidation, 5 years maximum yes?.......

Much better - how about a bit of internment ?

Threats to kill and trying to "recruit" a few helpers ? conspiracy

josip · 06-12-2018 10:11am

JJayoo wrote: »

20 years ago the independent printed this

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/marriage-link-to-traveller-illness-26177443.html

Inbreeding amongst the traveller community is a huge issue and I doubt it has improved over the last 20 years. It leads to a whole range of intellectual issues.

It would be inconceivable in this political correct age for an issue like this to be brought up. Lower IQs, a symptom of inbreeding, is a massive precursor for anti social behaviour.

But if they have enough children and their population increases wouldn't the gene pool diversify somewhat via mutations and the odd interloper?

runawaybishop · 06-12-2018 10:12am

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

didn't somebody say earlier the van guy was from cork?
why would anybody travel from cork to longford to have "repairs" on a lousy van?

He responded to an ad and his van was collecte from cork. When he went to collect it is when the problems started.

Plumbthedepths · 06-12-2018 10:13am

Danzy wrote:

They would think nothing of killing him.

No fan of travellers but I seriously doubt they are that stupid. CAB was founded after Gilligan had Guerin murdered. Can't see the Travellers be allowed carry on as now if they go down the route of murdering a guard.

runawaybishop · 06-12-2018 10:17am

tuxy wrote: »

So we were wrong about the dog?

https://www.thejournal.ie/garda-granard-sergeant-4376795-Dec2018/

That simply states they have no information to give. Also it's the journal.

Other reports stating animal blood was found at the scene and they are certain the dog was killed. They are now looking to find where the dog was buried.

Techold · 06-12-2018 10:30am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

No fan of travellers but I seriously doubt they are that stupid. CAB was founded after Gilligan had Guerin murdered. Can't see the Travellers be allowed carry on as now if they go down the route of murdering a guard.

This situation is now reminiscent of Provo times when guards were murdered and they and their families were intimidated.This is an escalation of their day to day 'normal' criminal activities.CAB,Revenue and Social Welfare will have to give them equality and subject them to the rules that apply to most other citizens.

Gravelly · 06-12-2018 10:36am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

No fan of travellers but I seriously doubt they are that stupid. CAB was founded after Gilligan had Guerin murdered. Can't see the Travellers be allowed carry on as now if they go down the route of murdering a guard.

This is what happens when a group are allowed to get away with too much for too long. Travellers have been subject to light-touch treatment by both the Gardaí and, even more so, by the judiciary for years. This has given them the idea that they are untouchable, and leads to the kind of behaviour we see here, where they have no respect for the law because they don't believe it applies to them. Granting them the ridiculous ethnic status furthered strengthened this belief.
It is now time to take off the kid gloves and smash traveller criminality in all its forms. If it is not done now, things will get far worse. Traveller culture is simply a culture of criminality, inbreeding, and scamming, it should never have been given official recognition.

Ash.J.Williams · 06-12-2018 10:45am

tuxy wrote: »

So the Garda will now defend the chop shops out of loyalty and guilt?

The Garda is also his own father

Captain Obvious · 06-12-2018 10:48am

Señor Santa Pants wrote: »

Your assessment is fundamentally wrong.

You say Makikomi is confusing the 'rules of engagement' between two entities but Makikomi is talking about 'degrees of force'.

You claim to have trained in both the military and the police, yet it is you who is confused with 'degrees of force' and 'rules or engagement'.

Did you serve in the police or military, if so, where? Because this looks like poor training.

There's no confusion. There is only one degree of force with a firearm in the police. No warning shots, no limb shots, no shoot to wound. The rules of engagement state when it can be used. And while it has been a while since my days in the army, I don't recall any instruction for shooting people in the limbs, although the firearm could be used a little more liberally.

Plumbthedepths · 06-12-2018 10:49am

SeÃ&#177 wrote: »

Your first post here really helps to move the discussion along.

No his first post was querying the lack of bans and suggesting the thread should be locked.

06-12-2018 10:56am

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

The Garda is also his own father

What do you mean, Ash?

Ray Bloody Purchase · 06-12-2018 11:14am

Captain Obvious wrote: »

There's no confusion. There is only one degree of force with a firearm in the police. No warning shots, no limb shots, no shoot to wound. The rules of engagement state when it can be used. And while it has been a while since my days in the army, I don't recall any instruction for shooting people in the limbs, although the firearm could be used a little more liberally.

Are you guys saying that he meant to shoot the dog in the leg?

I think you're barking up the wrong tree lads.

Ruff justice.

Mad_maxx · 06-12-2018 11:22am

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

No fan of travellers but I seriously doubt they are that stupid. CAB was founded after Gilligan had Guerin murdered. Can't see the Travellers be allowed carry on as now if they go down the route of murdering a guard.

Travellers are not kinehan gang smarts, they are reactionary savages, a tinker always acts before they think

Dyr · 06-12-2018 11:26am

Captain Obvious wrote: »

There's no confusion. There is only one degree of force with a firearm in the police. No warning shots, no limb shots, no shoot to wound. The rules of engagement state when it can be used. And while it has been a while since my days in the army, I don't recall any instruction for shooting people in the limbs, although the firearm could be used a little more liberally.

That was my understanding of the situation in the US with the police, use of a firearm is only justified in order to prevent an immediate threat to life, thus no shooting to wound or warning shot etc..

Mad_maxx · 06-12-2018 11:26am

Gravelly wrote: »

This is what happens when a group are allowed to get away with too much for too long. Travellers have been subject to light-touch treatment by both the Gardaí and, even more so, by the judiciary for years. This has given them the idea that they are untouchable, and leads to the kind of behaviour we see here, where they have no respect for the law because they don't believe it applies to them. Granting them the ridiculous ethnic status furthered strengthened this belief.
It is now time to take off the kid gloves and smash traveller criminality in all its forms. If it is not done now, things will get far worse. Traveller culture is simply a culture of criminality, inbreeding, and scamming, it sho
uld never have been given official recognition.

At the behest of liberals in media, academia and the various quangos, a wholly carrot approach has been used when it comes to travellers this past three decades, this approach has been an absolute failure, relations between travellers and the rest of us has never been worse.

We need nothing but stick for the next three decades, a boycott of rte will be necessary in order to turn things around.

Effects · 06-12-2018 12:08pm

tuxy wrote: »

No evidence of travellers on the dole driving new 4x4 vehicles?
I'll go around town tomorrow and capture some video for you.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I'm saying you don't have the evidence to back up your claim.

PandaPoo · 06-12-2018 12:16pm

Blondies wife's Facebook is a f*cking train wreck. Photos of a German shepherd looking dog gone missing last week. She says she thinks one of the neighbours shot it so nobody around them will have a sheep left when her husband finds out.

It's infuriating the absolute balls on them. We had a group of them come into the shop a few weeks ago and steal Tv's. They just grabbed them and legged it out the door. Worth nearly €1,000. Sure there they were yesterday again in the shop. 5 rainbocorn toys worth €25 each, DVDs, clothes, phones under the buggy and in their bags and off they went out the door. Then they had the balls to approach a manager having a cigarette outside and started threatening her for looking at them funny!!!! Christ alive what a world we live in.

Minnie Snuggles · 06-12-2018 12:41pm

Señor Santa Pants wrote: »

I don't.

One of these occurred:

1. He fired a warning shot and either directly hit the traveller OR it ricocheted off the ground and inadvertently hit the traveller.

2. He aimed at the dog, hit the dog, the round travelled through the dog and into the travellers foot (if it was behind the dog).

3. He aimed at the dog, hit the dog, the round travelled through the dog, hit the ground and bounced and into the traveller.

Either way, I believe he aimed at the dog and the traveller was accidentally struck.

There is another possibility, the dog grabbed the detectives tie, the detective fired a shot, missed the dog (either intentionally or unintentionally), bullet ricocheted of the ground grazes travellers leg, dog runs off unharmed, hence no sign of the dog or blood at the scene, the dog could have yelped but was drowned out by hysterical screaming of camera woman.

Plumbthedepths · 06-12-2018 12:50pm

Minnie Snuggles wrote:

There is another possibility, the dog grabbed the detectives tie, the detective fired a shot, missed the dog (either intentionally or unintentionally), bullet ricocheted of the ground grazes travellers leg, dog runs off unharmed, hence no sign of the dog or blood at the scene, the dog could have yelped but was drowned out by hysterical screaming of camera woman.

Except the guards according to the Indo have found animal blood at the scene and based on formation received are searching for its burial spot.

runawaybishop · 06-12-2018 12:59pm

Effects wrote: »

I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I'm saying you don't have the evidence to back up your claim.

Is it Volkswagen that will not accept cash for commercials because they do not want certain people being seen driving around in their new vans.

BattleCorp · 06-12-2018 1:15pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Minnie Snuggles wrote:

There is another possibility, the dog grabbed the detectives tie, the detective fired a shot, missed the dog (either intentionally or unintentionally), bullet ricocheted of the ground grazes travellers leg, dog runs off unharmed, hence no sign of the dog or blood at the scene, the dog could have yelped but was drowned out by hysterical screaming of camera woman.

Except the guards according to the Indo have found animal blood at the scene and based on formation received are searching for its burial spot.

Dog or no dog? No DNA needed. Surely the guy in the pickup would be able to confirm if there was a dog or not.

realdanbreen · 06-12-2018 1:16pm

Deleted User wrote: »

.

How do you know they're travellers? Bit racist.

Ned 'blondie ' Stokes?
Oh and of course the audio on the clip!

Gravelly · 06-12-2018 1:19pm

realdanbreen wrote: »

Ned 'blondie ' Stokes?
Oh and of course the audio on the clip!

Producing a slash hook in a dispute, having a pregnant woman involved in a fight, <snip> are usually good indicators too.

Mod: Banned

Sam Quentin · 06-12-2018 1:25pm

PandaPoo wrote: »

Blondies wife's Facebook is a f*cking train wreck. Photos of a German shepherd looking dog gone missing last week. She says she thinks one of the neighbours shot it so nobody around them will have a sheep left when her husband finds out.

It's infuriating the absolute balls on them. We had a group of them come into the shop a few weeks ago and steal Tv's. They just grabbed them and legged it out the door. Worth nearly €1,000. Sure there they were yesterday again in the shop. 5 rainbocorn toys worth €25 each, DVDs, clothes, phones under the buggy and in their bags and off they went out the door. Then they had the balls to approach a manager having a cigarette outside and started threatening her for looking at them funny!!!! Christ alive what a world we live in.

I've heard similar stories over the years, actually putting people out of business or depressing them enough that they stop trading.....
THIS HAS TO BE STOPPED.

Plumbthedepths · 06-12-2018 1:26pm

BattleCorp wrote:

Dog or no dog? No DNA needed. Surely the guy in the pickup would be able to confirm if there was a dog or not.

Travellers are claiming no dag. So evidence is required.

realdanbreen · 06-12-2018 1:29pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

I can't wait to tell my mates from Longford that they sound like Travellers.

Like, you think they don't know already?

BattleCorp · 06-12-2018 1:30pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

BattleCorp wrote:

Dog or no dog? No DNA needed. Surely the guy in the pickup would be able to confirm if there was a dog or not.

Travellers are claiming no dag. So evidence is required.

The guy in the truck can provide evidence. He can tell what he saw. That's evidence.

Garda shoots dog in Longford

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