Wokeism of the day Revised Mod Note in OP and threadbanned users

Banana Republic 1 · 21-12-2020 6:26pm

km991148 wrote: »

ok - think this needs a little bit of calm. I was just pointing out that people in general need to stop getting outraged over articles on the internet - particularly the fake ones like this one obviously is.

I just happened to quote your post because you also appeared to buy it as well.

I don't give a fu(k what language you use.

The best way to not outrage someone on boards is to not post.

km991148 · 21-12-2020 6:30pm

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

The best way to not outrage someone on boards is to not post.

I'm confused, I don't think I'm outraged?? :pac:

I'm laughing at the way fake articles spread. It's funny. It's AH. People need to lighten up.

21-12-2020 6:34pm

Tony EH wrote: »

Nothing above is counter to what I've said, so I'm not sure why you spent time typing it.

Sure optics are important to businesses, especially nowadays and some will tout their "values" to their base (and therefore make money). But values change and with businesses they'd change in a heartbeat if they weren't working.

Some businesses won't work with other businesses because it's bad for business. Mars stopped allowing their ads on YouTube because of certain videos, for instance. But that had fuck all to do with their morals and more to do with their fear of being associated with "undesirable" YouTube opinion merchants.

It relates because you believe that profit is the only driver behind what a company does. That's not the case. Hence why I wrote all that out. Obviously, you missed my point.

Sure, but if your business isn't making money, it's dead and the vast majority of businesses don't want that.

Not my point, since I was referring to the shareholders/investors.

But so what? So they were wrong. They couldn't have seen that when they started that ad campaign. But that still doesn't eliminate why they chose that particular angle in the first place. They weren't using woke politics because that was their heartfelt beliefs. They tapped into it because of its currency, which they though could be used for their own ends.

They tapped into it because those involved thought that the market of woke people would make it worthwhile. They were wrong. I didn't disagree that money was a driver, but they felt that promoting a woke message was important too.. the people employed in those departments. I'd imagine those people have been shifted to other departments or fired since then.

Now your talking about media empires, which are different to most businesses. Especially ones with a particular political slant. But even here, they'll jump on things and abandon others to play to a base and keep them in the game. CNN will chose a certain angle because they know it'll appeal to a certain demographic and Fox will chose a different one to feed their audience. But either will drop things that are no longer viable.

You spoke of business, of which media companies are. Companies concerned with profits, just as much as other companies, but still aim to promote their own viewpoint of the world, or manipulate their viewers.

In any case, I can see we're not reaching each other with our points. Let's just simply agree to disagree here.

Quantum Erasure · 21-12-2020 6:37pm

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

Wait till they find out about chocolate....

On that note....

https://news.sky.com/story/waitrose-apologises-for-selling-racist-chocolate-ducklings-after-criticism-11688611

Waitrose has apologised for selling a dark chocolate Easter duckling that was labelled as "ugly" after suggestions it was racist.

21-12-2020 6:38pm

km991148 wrote: »

ok - think this needs a little bit of calm. I was just pointing out that people in general need to stop getting outraged over articles on the internet - particularly the fake ones like this one obviously is.

I just happened to quote your post because you also appeared to buy it as well.

I don't give a fu(k what language you use.

I think people need to stop assigning the word "outrage" or "triggered" or whatever other word to posts when it's obviously not the case.

There's a trend on the internet these days to push others into anger by claiming that they're outraged or some other nonsense. It's fine when people make clearly emotional, or angry posts.. but that's not the case here.

As for what I bought or didn't buy... you pulled it out of thin air.

biko · 21-12-2020 6:40pm

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

Any link to the actual article? I can't find it anywhere, just images like this. It's almost like it's not real.

You may be right, I did some searching and did not find an actual article.

I'll update my original post, thanks for pointing it out.

Tony EH · 21-12-2020 6:44pm

Deleted User wrote: »

They tapped into it because those involved thought that the market of woke people would make it worthwhile. They were wrong. I didn't disagree that money was a driver, but they felt that promoting a woke message was important too.. the people employed in those departments. I'd imagine those people have been shifted to other departments or fired since then.

It's important as a means to an end and that end is making money, because they had been losing money year on year before hand. There may have been individuals who were full on for that campaign's (confused) message. But the company, as a whole? No. It was just another angle.

Deleted User wrote: »

Let's just simply agree to disagree here.

Yep.

Quantum Erasure · 21-12-2020 6:46pm

The Cultural Appropriation of the Chocolate Chip Cookie

https://medium.com/@nevaer1/the-cultural-appropriation-of-the-chocolate-chip-cookie-60e63a0011f

km991148 · 21-12-2020 7:10pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I think people need to stop assigning the word "outrage" or "triggered" or whatever other word to posts when it's obviously not the case.

There's a trend on the internet these days to push others into anger by claiming that they're outraged or some other nonsense. It's fine when people make clearly emotional, or angry posts.. but that's not the case here.

As for what I bought or didn't buy... you pulled it out of thin air.

Alright - sorry - not trying to trigger anyone by saying 'outrage'. It was the original poster that I was laughing at mainly, they went and copied the image onto boards without even checking if there was an article (there isn't).

But you did seem to take the picture at face value, when it seemed obviously fake. If I got that wrong, then I am sorry and please let me know what you meant.

21-12-2020 8:11pm

km991148 wrote: »

But you did seem to take the picture at face value, when it seemed obviously fake. If I got that wrong, then I am sorry and please let me know what you meant.

I was bemused at the idea of it... didn't matter whether it was real or not. There wasn't any outrage or shock involved.

I'm well past that point at this stage of the thread. Just simple bemusement now.

21-12-2020 8:39pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I was bemused at the idea of it... didn't matter whether it was real or not. There wasn't any outrage or shock involved.

I'm well past that point at this stage of the thread. Just simple bemusement now.

Laugh you may, but your hate talk is denying the lived experiences of such intrepid champions of free speech like this journalist

https://thoughtcatalog.com/anne-gus/2014/07/drinking-coffee-is-racist/

Whatever about cultural appropriation of coffee, the overt racism of milk, and its use as a symbol if white supremacy:

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_5bffad35e4b0864f4f6a3e28

At last the bastion of impartial journalistic integrity is tackling the "murky history involving cow’s milk", and how people of colour are disproportionately affected.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 21-12-2020 9:38pm

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

Any link to the actual article? I can't find it anywhere, just images like this. It's almost like it's not real.

That’s fake, sure. But there have been real life headlines that have been just as bonkers.

km991148 · 21-12-2020 9:41pm

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

That’s fake, sure. But there have been real life headlines that have been just as bonkers.

sure - but calling one group of people mad is one thing, but if you are then making up bonkers stories to do so then that also put you in the bonkers category!

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 21-12-2020 10:23pm

I've seen this so many times. Made up screenshots of headlines presented as real.

Quantum Erasure · 21-12-2020 10:53pm

Just want to quote this from two days ago...

46 Long wrote: »

Satire is officially dead

https://twitter.com/TitaniaMcGrath/status/1339977959508226048

Quantum Erasure · 21-12-2020 10:56pm

https://www.peta.org/blog/cows-milk-perfect-drink-supremacists/

Why Cow’s Milk Is the Perfect Drink for Supremacists

Published March 7, 2017 by Zachary Toliver. Last Updated October 24, 2018.
As when Christoph Waltz’s character in Inglorious Bastards drinks a glass of milk and a character in a pivotal scene of Get Out sips the cow secretion, dairy milk has long been embraced as a symbol of white supremacy.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 21-12-2020 11:03pm

km991148 wrote: »

sure - but calling one group of people mad is one thing, but if you are then making up bonkers stories to do so then that also put you in the bonkers category!

I think people do it to highlight that parody isn’t too far from reality sometimes.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer wrote: »

I've seen this so many times. Made up screenshots of headlines presented as real.

Well, yeah, it’s prudent to look into these barmy headlines further, sure. But I’ve googled headlines, being sure that they would be fake, only to be surprised.

1800_Ladladlad · 22-12-2020 1:16am

Speaking of Tattianna I recommend you read this thread.

https://twitter.com/TitaniaMcGrath/status/1339977959508226048

pickarooney · 22-12-2020 9:57am

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Ineed Wibbs. Can you imagine the reaction of Arab or Oriental men, or any "native" men for that matter, if all of a sudden they see their women on TV constantly in the arms of a white or black man? They'd rightly kick off over it. Yet we here in the west are so castrated you barely here a murmur about it. You'd be called wacist and of course that's worse than death...

Could you not find a more appropriate platform for your 'stealin our wimmin' bull****? You surely aren't surprised when people think you're racist when you're openly and unapologetically racist?

pickarooney · 22-12-2020 10:07am

Biker79 wrote: »

The issue isn't mixed-race couples...its ad agencies/ media companies tripping over themselves to signal their virtue by highlighting mixed-race couples when
it's clearly not representative of a target audience

It has a veneer of ideological propaganda, rather than something grounded in everyday life. There is a discomfort that if you point out the incongruence depicted, you might just be told to shut up for being racist.

I was in a LTR with someone of a different race, so I'm familiar with the day to day dynamics of it, rather than the ideology. And let me tell you, there were some very strange remarks from people you would consider as Woke.

Have you ever noticed how woke advertisers always use really good looking people in their ads even though most if their target audience aren't even models? It's a sneaky thing that's been going on for some time by the sheeple haven't copped on yet. Goddamn handsome agenda!

biko · 22-12-2020 10:49am

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

Speaking of Tattianna I recommend you read this thread.

It's frightening how the muppetry is gaining so much ground so fast.
The race to the bottom is really a race, not a crawl.

Wibbs · 22-12-2020 11:04am

biko wrote: »

It's frightening how the muppetry is gaining so much ground so fast.
The race to the bottom is really a race, not a crawl.

It's mostly in media and marketing and in the former you can find quite "robust" hardliners on the other side, particularly in online media. So you have the right on BBC, but you also have Fox News, you have the Guardian and the Daily Mail. In most people's daily lives the woke stuff doesn't really register. It's certainly registering more than it did, but these things go in cycles and it's not exactly the end is nigh time.

Tony EH · 22-12-2020 11:39am

Wibbs wrote: »

It's mostly in media and marketing and in the former you can find quite "robust" hardliners on the other side, particularly in online media. So you have the right on BBC, but you also have Fox News, you have the Guardian and the Daily Mail. In most people's daily lives the woke stuff doesn't really register. It's certainly registering more than it did, but these things go in cycles and it's not exactly the end is nigh time.

Yeah, this is thing about this "woke" stuff. It's presence remains largely online and it's usually people losing their crap over some nonsense that barely shows up in their "real" lives. An ad they won't remember in a month's time, or some idiot's tweet that will be replaced by another idiot's tweet is due course...and life goes on. Or better yet, a deliberately fake jpg designed to fool so called "conservatives".

Amazing how worked up some people can get about it.

As a topic of mild discussion, it can pass an hour. But people looking for - and then falling to pieces over - this nonsense have way too much time on their hands.

Danzy · 22-12-2020 12:09pm

Tony EH wrote: »

Yeah, this is thing about this "woke" stuff. It's presence remains largely online and it's usually people losing their crap over some nonsense that barely shows up in their "real" lives. An ad they won't remember in a month's time, or some idiot's tweet that will be replaced by another idiot's tweet is due course...and life goes on. Or better yet, a deliberately fake jpg designed to fool so called "conservatives".

Amazing how worked up some people can get about it.

As a topic of mild discussion, it can pass an hour. But people looking for - and then falling to pieces over - this nonsense have way too much time on their hands.

They are small in number but they are very prominent and have am impact much bigger than their numbers suggest.

Biker79 · 22-12-2020 12:19pm

pickarooney wrote: »

Have you ever noticed how woke advertisers always use really good looking people in their ads even though most if their target audience aren't even models? It's a sneaky thing that's been going on for some time by the sheeple haven't copped on yet. Goddamn handsome agenda!

Never noticed. I'm a bit of handsome b***d myself, so ..there is that. Unlike wokies, who tend to be a bit weird looking. Yep...they have this peculiar mix of asymmetry and bitterness, often topped off with purple hair, which grates on the eyeballs after a while.

I'm sure you can do better than that though. I can see you're just itching to point your finger and shout ' racist '. Top tip: get yourself a holiday to the UAE. The systemic racism on display there is truly eye-opening. Just the mini project for a group of righteous wokies to engage in some furious finger-wagging.

Let us know how you get on there :pac:

22-12-2020 12:25pm

Tony EH wrote: »

Yeah, this is thing about this "woke" stuff. It's presence remains largely online and it's usually people losing their crap over some nonsense that barely shows up in their "real" lives. An ad they won't remember in a month's time, or some idiot's tweet that will be replaced by another idiot's tweet is due course...and life goes on. Or better yet, a deliberately fake jpg designed to fool so called "conservatives".

Amazing how worked up some people can get about it.

As a topic of mild discussion, it can pass an hour. But people looking for - and then falling to pieces over - this nonsense have way too much time on their hands.

I think it depends on the lives of the people involved. I know that the people who talk to me about issues are generally working for foreign multinational companies, whose HR has brought in some odd or bizarre ideas into the workplace. Their lives have been/are affected by such ideology. Also I encounter it far more abroad in other countries than in Ireland... I don't think people realise how lucky they are to live in Ireland.

But sure, most people here aren't being directly affected by it. yet

Biker79 · 22-12-2020 12:45pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I think it depends on the lives of the people involved. I know that the people who talk to me about issues are generally working for foreign multinational companies, whose HR has brought in some odd or bizarre ideas into the workplace. Their lives have been/are affected by such ideology. Also I encounter it far more abroad in other countries than in Ireland... I don't think people realise how lucky they are to live in Ireland.

But sure, most people here aren't being directly affected by it. yet

Its gathering pace in Ireland. I notice it in Tech. But you are right...it emanates from HR departments, who have gained a stranglehold on a strategic part of operations, which is who gets hired and fired.

Biker79 · 22-12-2020 1:16pm

Interview with an engineer fired from Google which is worth watching for its insight into Googles culture in 2017. Note that this is not unusual in those large tech companies, and the smaller ones mostly look to the larger ones for influence and direction.

Although he was fired, I think Google made the right choice, but only because technically, he signed up to abide by the culture of Google and not to contradict it. He was getting paid to do that. However, it's interesting and I see the ripples of that particular culture in smaller organisations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NOSD0XK0r8

22-12-2020 1:57pm

Biker79 wrote: »

Its gathering pace in Ireland. I notice it in Tech. But you are right...it emanates from HR departments, who have gained a stranglehold on a strategic part of operations, which is who gets hired and fired.

Gathering pace in many sectors, a friend of mine works for one of the big 4 here in Dublin - his department have to put their pronouns at the footer when communicating with eachother via email etc, they also aren't permitted to use gendered nouns such as collectively referring to a group as "guys"

Sir Oxman · 22-12-2020 2:04pm

It's a bit naive to think this is not embedded in Ireland.

Sardonicat · 22-12-2020 2:05pm

Batrachotox wrote: »

Gathering pace in many sectors, a friend of mine works for one of the big 4 here in Dublin - his department have to put their pronouns at the footer when communicating with eachother via email etc, they also aren't permitted to use gendered nouns such as collectively referring to a group as "guys"

Ah lads, that's cat!

IAMAMORON · 22-12-2020 2:50pm

Batrachotox wrote: »

Gathering pace in many sectors, a friend of mine works for one of the big 4 here in Dublin - his department have to put their pronouns at the footer when communicating with eachother via email etc, they also aren't permitted to use gendered nouns such as collectively referring to a group as "guys"

Can you ask them:P to send a copy of the office policy document for this?

I would like to read it. Don't panic you don't have to tell us which one they:) are working for.

Asking for a friend btw.

Dyr · 22-12-2020 3:08pm

biko wrote: »

It's frightening how the muppetry is gaining so much ground so fast.
The race to the bottom is really a race, not a crawl.

Someone made a good point, they said make your woke and liberal types commit to what they think is a step too far, something they would never agree with.

Then in 6-12 months time, when the lunacy has spread to past that line in the sand that they drew, point out that they're either four square behind it now or refuse to publically say their agin it.

22-12-2020 3:25pm

Bambi wrote: »

Someone made a good point, they said make your woke and liberal types commit to what they think is a step too far, something they would never agree with.

Then in 6-12 months time, when the lunacy has spread to past that line in the sand that they drew, point out that they're either four square behind it now or refuse to publically say their agin it.

haha, sorry but that's not going to work. The woke types tend to be masters of shifting goalposts. You'll quickly find them redefining the agreed statements depending on how they feel at that given moment.. because that's the reality they have created for themselves.

joe40 · 22-12-2020 5:04pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

haha, sorry but that's not going to work. The woke types tend to be masters of shifting goalposts. You'll quickly find them redefining the agreed statements depending on how they feel at that given moment.. because that's the reality they have created for themselves.

What defines a "woke type" it's a strange term. Is there degrees of wokeness. For example I have no problem with gay marriage. That isn't particularly woke ( I think I'm using the term correctly), but 15 or 20 years ago that opinion would be met with ridicule.

I'm of the opinion there are definitely silly ideas knocking around but overall when you interact in everyday situations vast majority of people are still fairly sensible.

Even with the silly notions around today I would still prefer modern western society now than any time in the past. I certainly would not want to return to the social norms of the 1970s

biko · 22-12-2020 5:13pm

That may be but there are people chipping away at the system and they are not going away.

Irish Labour Senator Ivana Bacik wants to reverse the 2004 referendum.
Brandon Hasbrouck, an assistant professor at Washington and Lee University School of Law, think votes of black Americans should count twice.

There are more examples, and these are people in power, not some internet dude.

joe40 · 22-12-2020 5:20pm

biko wrote: »

That may be but there are people chipping away at the system and they are not going away.
Irish Labour Senator Ivana Bacik wants to reverse the 2004 referendum.

Brandon Hasbrouck, an assistant professor at Washington and Lee University School of Law, think votes of black Americans should count twice.

There are more examples, and these are people in power, not some internet dude.

None of those people are in power and none of those things will happen.

22-12-2020 5:29pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Can you ask them:P to send a copy of the office policy document for this?

I would like to read it. Don't panic you don't have to tell us which one they:) are working for.

Asking for a friend btw.

I haven’t any of the internal communications, just what was mentioned to me - it may only be for the duration of the time they’re consulting for a big tech company beginning with an F

biko · 22-12-2020 5:29pm

joe40 wrote: »

None of those people are in power and none of those things will happen.

I wish I had your optimism but don't underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

IAMAMORON · 22-12-2020 5:34pm

Batrachotox wrote: »

I haven’t any of the internal communications, just what was mentioned to me - it may only be for the duration of the time they’re consulting for a big tech company beginning with an F

Sounds like BS to me, sorry.

Junkyard Tom · 22-12-2020 6:41pm

Montage of Feck wrote: »

“One sometimes gets the impression that the mere words ‘Socialism’ and ‘Communism’ draw towards them with magnetic force every fruit-juice drinker, nudist, sandal-wearer, sex-maniac, Quaker, ‘Nature Cure’ quack, pacifist, and feminist in England.”

― George Orwell, The Road to Wigan Pier

"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it."

George Orwell, "Why I write" p. 394

Sonics2k · 22-12-2020 6:46pm

biko wrote: »

I wish I had your optimism but don't underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

Good thing it's not large groups, just loud people online mostly.

Some Senator makes a call to reverse a referendum, happens all the time, doesn't mean it'll happen and she's not in power.

Some Assisstant Professor makes a statement, which will never happen. Again, this guy has no power.

What's your point?

pickarooney · 22-12-2020 6:49pm

Biker79 wrote: »

Never noticed. I'm a bit of handsome b***d myself, so ..there is that. Unlike wokies, who tend to be a bit weird looking. Yep...they have this peculiar mix of asymmetry and bitterness, often topped off with purple hair, which grates on the eyeballs after a while.

I'm sure you can do better than that though. I can see you're just itching to point your finger and shout ' racist '. Top tip: get yourself a holiday to the UAE. The systemic racism on display there is truly eye-opening. Just the mini project for a group of righteous wokies to engage in some furious finger-wagging.

Let us know how you get on there :pac:

There's nothing racist about it. It's just weird the way people pick and choose when representation is important and when hiring the right person for the job is important. Like, models are more important than politicians in that sense to some.

22-12-2020 7:32pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Sounds like BS to me, sorry.

That's fine - if you happen to come across anyone working with said company ask and they'll tell you themselves

Tony EH · 22-12-2020 7:49pm

Batrachotox wrote: »

That's fine - if you happen to come across anyone working with said company ask and they'll tell you themselves

What company?

Dyr · 22-12-2020 7:54pm

Deleted User wrote: »

haha, sorry but that's not going to work. The woke types tend to be masters of shifting goalposts. You'll quickly find them redefining the agreed statements depending on how they feel at that given moment.. because that's the reality they have created for themselves.

True, but what I've found interesting recently is that I was talking to two female relatives (seperately) both mid - late 20s, always been uberliberal feminists and neither of them want to be associated with feminisim as it is now and wokeness in general, they're both embarrased by it. In mock incredulity, I told one of them to be careful or she'll be watching Jordan Peterson videos next, turns out she's a big fan of his and found one of his programs really helpful with her career. Cracked me up

So people are reaching their woke breaking point. Even though they won't advertise it.

That said, I've younger relatives who pretty much alt-right as this stage but thats a different days work.

Biker79 · 22-12-2020 8:52pm

Tony EH wrote: »

What company?

He already mentioned it.

C'mon man, you're falling behind. You need to pull up your socks. You're like Father Jack in the corner there.

Tony EH · 22-12-2020 8:58pm

Biker79 wrote: »

He already mentioned it.

C'mon man, you're falling behind. You need to pull up your socks. You're like Father Jack in the corner there.

Feck off.

Biker79 · 22-12-2020 8:59pm

pickarooney wrote: »

There's nothing racist about it. It's just weird the way people pick and choose when representation is important and when hiring the right person for the job is important. Like, models are more important than politicians in that sense to some.

Not sure I follow.

My point was adverts generate suspicion to a certain degree because we know someone is trying to sell us something.

Adverts that have a clear racial overtone are worse because what exactly is being sold to us and what happens if you mention it like you might other ads? You could be called a racist.

Not a big deal for most of us I guess, but if you're in arts/ entertainment / public eye etc, you could have your working life seriously impacted. And for what? For nothing.

22-12-2020 10:42pm

joe40 wrote: »

What defines a "woke type" it's a strange term. Is there degrees of wokeness. For example I have no problem with gay marriage. That isn't particularly woke ( I think I'm using the term correctly), but 15 or 20 years ago that opinion would be met with ridicule.

I'm of the opinion there are definitely silly ideas knocking around but overall when you interact in everyday situations vast majority of people are still fairly sensible.

Even with the silly notions around today I would still prefer modern western society now than any time in the past. I certainly would not want to return to the social norms of the 1970s

Well, I consider being "woke" as those who wish to enforce a complete change on others, forcing people into complete acceptance/compliance.

Like your example, I have a friend I've known for decades, who is extremely uncomfortable with gay men. He's got nothing against them as such, nor does he moan/complain about them, but he'll generally avoid being around them. All the same he voted for SSM and encouraged others to vote the same. Why? Because he felt that gay people should have that right.

The difference is in the approach. Woke people demand others to change. There's no middle ground or nuance involved. You must accept <insert agenda> completely, and without reservation, otherwise you are <insert>ism.

My friend isn't even remotely woke. He would give people the choice in how they live their lives, but expects others to give him the same freedom to choose.

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Wokeism of the day Revised Mod Note in OP and threadbanned users