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Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VIII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

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    #3512
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 90,809 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    The Ryanair school of publicity is to get in the news any way you can because people have already made up their opinion on you.

    Or it's more incompetence.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/14/trump-ad-asks-people-to-support-the-troops-but-it-uses-a-picture-of-russian-jets-414883
    The Trump Make America Great Again Committee is run by both the Republican National Committee and the campaign.
    ...
    “That’s definitely a MiG-29,” said Pierre Sprey, who helped design both the F-16 and A-10 planes for the U.S. Air Force. “I’m glad to see it’s supporting our troops.”


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    #3513
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,109 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    Water John wrote: »
    Sadly his brain is a bit disconnected from reality. When they start digging more into him, wonder what they will find? Hasn't a great employment history.

    Loads of digging has already been done and the results of that digging have been known for YEARS! How anyone in the Federal Government could even consider hiring this person into a senior Administration role given that he lived in Russia for 6 years, acted as an advisor to Yeltsin for at least 2-3 of those years, advised Putin, Gazprom.and a range of others... Promulgated a narrative that 2016 election interference was entirely and only perpetrated by Ukraine and not Russia, and for the benefit of Hillary and not Trump! All this was entirely in the Q wheelhouse, and was assessed TIME and AGAIN as false by dint of previous US official Intelligence Community findings...

    A total loon from the Roger Stone school of Rat****ery!!


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    #3514
    aloyisious
    Registered Users Posts: 11,553 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    TomOnBoard wrote: »
    Not sure which thread is dealing with this subject at this stage, but Caputo allegedly held an emergency meeting in DHHS today to a) apologise for his weekend tirade and b) signal that he's looking for a medical leave of absence.

    It might be the first case of a serious implosion within the administration, a self-admission that he was not of sound mind when he made the statement on facebook and was standing aside from the job Trump gave him in the administration.


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    #3515
    extra gravy
    Registered Users Posts: 22,525 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    Trump is currently doing a town hall with ABC where members of the audience can ask questions. As you can imagine, he's making an absolute balls of it. Lies, deflection and incoherent rubbish as usual. He's unable to discuss policy because he doesn't have any.

    When reminded that nearly 200,000 people have died from coronavirus, he claims he has no regrets about his response and further claims he didn't downplay the virus even though it's on tape. Again says that it's going to disappear. No doubt he thinks he's doing great and there'll be a tweet about ratings shortly. Idiot.


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    #3516
    StringerBell
    Registered Users Posts: 14,036 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    Covering his ass, not the first time he has spouted looney toon nonsense.

    Edit: this is in relation to Michael Caputo.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



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    #3517
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users Posts: 14,359 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    The Donald reckons that the virus will disappear due to "herd mentality". The irony.


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    #3518
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,421 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    extra gravy wrote: »
    Trump is currently doing a town hall with ABC where members of the audience can ask questions. As you can imagine, he's making an absolute balls of it. Lies, deflection and incoherent rubbish as usual. He's unable to discuss policy because he doesn't have any.

    When reminded that nearly 200,000 people have died from coronavirus, he claims he has no regrets about his response and further claims he didn't downplay the virus even though it's on tape. Again says that it's going to disappear. No doubt he thinks he's doing great and there'll be a tweet about ratings shortly. Idiot.

    Jesus that was some show, And this is the man who is going to allegedly destroy Biden in the debates!


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    #3519
    PropJoe10
    Registered Users Posts: 5,253 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Jesus that was some show, And this is the man who is going to allegedly destroy Biden in the debates!

    It literally makes no difference what he says at this stage. The man could turn up, take a dump on the stage and walk off and his enablers would still put it down as a Trump victory.


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    #3520
    Igotadose
    Registered Users Posts: 13,024 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    PropJoe10 wrote: »
    It literally makes no difference what he says at this stage. The man could turn up, take a dump on the stage and walk off and his enablers would still put it down as a Trump victory.

    And his cult members will say, "See? He was answering questions!" as something that's actually good. Can see that in the threads here today.

    Doesn't matter what he says, either. The lies flew thick and fast.


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    #3521
    Retr0gamer
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 50,856 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Any chance he could do a Boris Johnson for the debates. They know he is going to get eviscerated so they just don't show up and engage in them.
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    #3522
    EltonJohn69
    Registered Users Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    It’s definitely possible.


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    #3523
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,143 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    The Donald reckons that the virus will disappear due to "herd mentality". The irony.

    Is this like Yogic teaching, if we all close our eyes at the same time and wish the virus to go away, it will.


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    #3524
    hirondelle
    Registered Users Posts: 326 ✭✭hirondelle


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    The Donald reckons that the virus will disappear due to "herd mentality". The irony.

    I lost an espresso reading that earlier. Jaysus wept, he reveals so much more of this thinking and mindset than he realises.


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    #3525
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,052 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    Any chance he could do a Boris Johnson for the debates. They know he is going to get eviscerated so they just don't show up and engage in them.
    EltonJohn69 wrote: »
    It’s definitely possible.

    I can definitely see a scenario where the 1st debate goes horribly for him - Chris Wallace is the moderator and he then goes down the "Fake News Media" , "MSM Hit Job" etc. and he then refuses to participate in the other debates.

    You can already see that after last night , he got exposed and his defenders were out calling it a "hit job" etc.

    The debates are going to be very very different for him this time around - He will have to defend his record , he can't just bat everything away with "I'll be better" etc.

    And last night showed that he's simply not equipped to handle that environment.


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    #3526
    Leroy42
    Registered Users Posts: 15,493 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    hirondelle wrote: »
    I lost an espresso reading that earlier. Jaysus wept, he reveals so much more of this thinking and mindset than he realises.

    Absolutely, as I read a tweet today the media will make a big thing of the clear slip between mentality on immunity.

    The real story is that is where the thinking is. Trump has no intention of stopping the virus, no intention of limiting the deaths, the only plan is enough people get it as to limit the effects.

    But how many people die in that scenaro? Isn't immunity something above 60%. Thats 200m+ cases, at at 1% death that is 2m+ dead!!!!


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    #3527
    hirondelle
    Registered Users Posts: 326 ✭✭hirondelle


    Gbear wrote: »
    You could perhaps engineer a system where inmate numbers isn't the goal, but rather reducing recidivism is - bonuses based on how many inmates return to work, don't get arrested in the future, etc.

    I don't necessarily disagree that capitalism might be a problem in this case, but the police state, racism and the latent facism of the US are bigger factors, IMO.

    Private prisons are tailored that way because the goal is to incarcertate and disenfranchise large numbers of "neer-do-wells" - mostly minorities these days, but historically, lefties and hippies as well.

    A bigger captialism-related failure would be how the legal system in the US in large part arose around protecting capital. Again, a lot of that was from minorities, but also from labour.

    While they're less direct about it these days, I think the hand-wringing around destruction of property by the right wing, while there have been decades of failures to deal with police violence, or how the murder rates among black people are just shrugged at because "it's their own fault" or whatever, betrays the fact that the goal of the police is still to protect the capital class.

    Late to this, but also to add- I read a couple of weeks ago that while prisoners don't have the right to vote, they are counted in terms of the voting weight of the county they are in (I think this may apply to senate votes in particular), so that counties with very large prison populations are overrepresented and will clearly have an interest in further increasing the prison population there, apart from the fact that the prisons can be hugely significant to the local economy.

    I don't think this is a decisive issue, but it does suggest an entirely corrupted system with both corporations and communities having a vested interest in increasing prisoner numbers.

    I hadn't realised about the convict firefighting situation in California. That is off the charts inhumane IMO. I trust they don't operate as a chain gang:eek:


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    #3528
    hirondelle
    Registered Users Posts: 326 ✭✭hirondelle


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    Absolutely, as I read a tweet today the media will make a big thing of the clear slip between mentality on immunity.

    The real story is that is where the thinking is. Trump has no intention of stopping the virus, no intention of limiting the deaths, the only plan is enough people get it as to limit the effects.

    But how many people die in that scenaro? Isn't immunity something above 60%. Thats 200m+ cases, at at 1% death that is 2m+ dead!!!!

    But two million deaths after November 3rd, so that's ok.


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    #3529
    aloyisious
    Registered Users Posts: 11,553 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    hirondelle wrote: »
    Late to this, but also to add- I read a couple of weeks ago that while prisoners don't have the right to vote, they are counted in terms of the voting weight of the county they are in (I think this may apply to senate votes in particular), so that counties with very large prison populations are overrepresented and will clearly have an interest in further increasing the prison population there, apart from the fact that the prisons can be hugely significant to the local economy.

    I don't think this is a decisive issue, but it does suggest an entirely corrupted system with both corporations and communities having a vested interest in increasing prisoner numbers.

    I hadn't realised about the convict firefighting situation in California. That is off the charts inhumane IMO. I trust they don't operate as a chain gang:eek:

    Would the prison population numbers be a bonus to help keep the Electoral College in existence?


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    #3530
    aloyisious
    Registered Users Posts: 11,553 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    hirondelle wrote: »
    But two million deaths after November 3rd, so that's ok.

    Given Trump's comment on his being safe from catching Covid-19 without wearing a mask because of the distance between him and his supporters at the rally, it's clear where his thoughts are reference any Covid-19 deaths.


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    #3531
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 15,052 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    aloyisious wrote: »
    Given Trump's comment on his being safe from catching Covid-19 without wearing a mask because of the distance between him and his supporters at the rally, it's clear where his thoughts are reference any Covid-19 deaths.

    His first , last and only thought is "What's in it for me"

    And for rallies, the thought process goes like this
    • I need to get re-elected
    • The Economy is the only thing that people rate me higher on than Biden
    • I need to make it look like the economy is going again
    • So - I'll ignore anything that might impact that and make every effort to make it look like everything is fine
    • If people die but I get elected , that's ok.


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    #3532
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Igotadose wrote: »
    And his cult members will say, "See? He was answering questions!" as something that's actually good. Can see that in the threads here today.

    Doesn't matter what he says, either. The lies flew thick and fast.

    "Cult"
    People who support a candidate or party are not cult members.
    Are Democrat or Biden supporters also cult members? Are ff or labour etc supporters cult members too?

    Very childish. I thought this was supposed to be the politics form not current affairs


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    #3533
    amandstu
    Registered Users Posts: 3,402 ✭✭✭amandstu


    How are his beloved "uneducated" going to integrate his ability to downplay and overplay the pandemic at the same time?

    Kinda like bilocation innit?

    And the non existent climate change (going to go away in a puff) is making hazy skies over the East Coast from the forest fires in the West.


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    #3534
    StringerBell
    Registered Users Posts: 14,036 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    "Cult"
    People who support a candidate or party are not cult members.
    Are Democrat or Biden supporters also cult members? Are ff or labour etc supporters cult members too?

    Very childish. I thought this was supposed to be the politics form not current affairs

    Supporters of a candidate or party are not automatically cult members.

    There is a cult of personality around trump. To refuse to acknowledge this is just further disingenuous water muddying efforts. trump plays up to it himself, his is a RINO. He is apolitical actually in my opinion, he doesn't have principles of core policy objectives other than what makes him look good in the short term. You know this.

    If you were to look up the definition of a cult, or cult leader worship for example trump supporters sadly for them fall directly j to the category. It's sad in many ways. The ones who are truly conned you always have pity for, the disgust reserved for the conmen and those who really do know better.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



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    #3535
    abff
    Registered Users Posts: 5,722 ✭✭✭abff


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    "Cult"
    People who support a candidate or party are not cult members.
    Are Democrat or Biden supporters also cult members? Are ff or labour etc supporters cult members too?

    Very childish. I thought this was supposed to be the politics form not current affairs

    I agree that following a candidate or party does not automatically make you a cult member.

    However, the level of support and devotion for Trump shown by many of his followers is definitely 'cult' like. Otherwise, how could you explain their unwavering devotion to him, despite everything he has done and said over the past four years?


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    #3536
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,421 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    "Cult"
    People who support a candidate or party are not cult members.
    Are Democrat or Biden supporters also cult members? Are ff or labour etc supporters cult members too?

    Very childish. I thought this was supposed to be the politics form not current affairs

    If they blindingly believe everything the leader says and ignore everything bad and all of their lies then yes, they are akin to cult members.


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    #3537
    abff
    Registered Users Posts: 5,722 ✭✭✭abff


    Apologies to StringerBell for more or less duplicating the points he made. I hadn't seen his response when I posted mine.


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    #3538
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    If they blindingly believe everything the leader says and ignore everything bad and all of their lies then yes, they are akin to cult members.

    Are people who hate him members of an anti Trump cult?


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    #3539
    Rjd2
    Registered Users Posts: 12,016 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    I can definitely see a scenario where the 1st debate goes horribly for him - Chris Wallace is the moderator and he then goes down the "Fake News Media" , "MSM Hit Job" etc. and he then refuses to participate in the other debates.

    You can already see that after last night , he got exposed and his defenders were out calling it a "hit job" etc.

    The debates are going to be very very different for him this time around - He will have to defend his record , he can't just bat everything away with "I'll be better" etc.

    And last night showed that he's simply not equipped to handle that environment.


    Same was said last time round and he done them.

    He was poor last night, but was always going to happen when you leave your safe space and have to defend that record. Whoever told him it would be a good idea ,,,oh dear.

    Going to be interesting though if Biden leaves his safe space and goes into any sort of hostile territory before the election,,,if I were him why bother?


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    #3540
    abff
    Registered Users Posts: 5,722 ✭✭✭abff


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Are people who hate him members of anti Trump cult?

    That's a totally false equivalency. People feel repulsed by Trump's behaviour and this is totally justified, in my opinion.

    If you don't feel that way about him, perhaps you could enlighten us as to why you think we should not feel that way?


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    #3541
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    abff wrote: »
    That's a totally false equivalency. People feel repulsed by Trump's behaviour and this is totally justified, in my opinion.

    If you don't feel that way about him, perhaps you could enlighten us as to why you think we should not feel that way?

    *Some people

    He was elected 4 years ago. Someone might interpret your comment as all people


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