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05-01-2019, 22:56   #46
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A lot were given full licences without a proper test
Thats a myth tbh
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05-01-2019, 22:59   #47
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This did come to my mind that anyone related to or connected to the bereaved family would be seen as very hypocritical if they were seen driving around North Cork unaccompanied as a Learner driver.
This is a very sad and tragic case and my heart breaks for the family of the bereaved.
However there are no winners as that girl did not set out that day to be part responsible for the death of her neighbours (the bad weather and poor drainage were also responsible I feel).
If she had not caused them to go off the road perhaps they might still be alive?

She admitted in court to driving dangerously and causing the collision
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Killing someone's family is also in poor taste/tone.

I did a 3-day first aid course and was taught the basics of first aid. If I try to do CPR on someone, but they die anyway, I won't be held accountable. However, if I try to do brain surgery, which I'm not trained for and they die, well, I was acting far beyond my training and would be negligent to have tried brain surgery at all. I would be held accountable.

Similarly, learner drivers are required to be accompanied by trained drivers. If they aren't accompanied, they are acting beyond their training and need to be held accountable.
You sound like the ad- there was no deliberate “killing someone’s family” just a horrible, unfortunate accident that that poor girl and their family will have to live with forever.
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So you were aware of your cars poor handling and rightly couldn’t compare it with the Audi’s
They are poor at best.

I had only drove it that night.

It was actually my dad's car as I had sold the 3 I had and was waiting for my other one.

I took it handy and was at around 50km/h when it went off the road. As I said black ice and roads weren't treated which I noticed after.

I wasn't flooring it in any way and have never had an ounce of issues in any other car I've had but those I bought for handling and performance.

One thing I will say is I will and would never ever drive a car in the wet or cold on Chinese finish.
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Back in the 70s they were far fewer cars yet the death tolls on or roads regularly hit close to 600 per annum. What exactly will an experiernced driver sitting in a passenger seat do in these circumstances. The girl could have passed her test an hour before this accident, would it have made any difference?
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Thats a myth tbh
No its a fact

1979 Irish licence amnesty- google it
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You sound like the ad- there was no deliberate “killing someone’s family” just a horrible, unfortunate accident that that poor girl and their family will have to live with forever.
And what of the family who have to live without a wife and mother and daughter for ever?
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Thats a myth tbh
Back in 70s it was true. They had such back logs the minister just waived the test procedure.... Nearly sure 70s apologies if 80 but nearly sure.
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Back in the 70s they were far fewer cars yet the death tolls on or roads regularly hit close to 600 per annum. What exactly will an experiernced driver sitting in a passenger seat do in these circumstances. The girl could have passed her test an hour before this accident, would it have made any difference?
She would have been passed competent to drive- she wasn’t

The good news when her ban expires she has to go through the whole learning permit process again
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In 1979 then Minister Sylvester Barrett made an order that full driving licenses be issued to people who had applied for the driving test only, this resulted in people being issued with licenses for vehicles such as buses and hgv’s.

My own father was one of those people.

This decision by Barrett cemented his status in Irish history for all the wrong reasons.
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Back in 70s it was true. They had such back logs the minister just waived the test procedure.... Nearly sure 70s apologies if 80 but nearly sure.
It was the early seventies.

Very few current licences would include those issued then
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I think the ad is very inappropriate. I have nothing but sympathy for this man who lost his wife and daughter.
But I also have sympathy for the unaccompanied driver who was unsupervised and made a terrible mistake. They have to live with this. That’s punishment enough without an ill thought out type of advert.
I'd have none and hope she never gets over it. People have far too much sympathy for people who cause these things these days, but she was in the wrong and should always be paying for it.

Only issue I'd have with the ad is the sound is poor enough on it. Not sure why it's fairly inaudible.
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It was the early seventies.

Very few current licences would include those issued then
But it did happen.

Sure the test had only got more difficult in the last few years.
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It was the early seventies.

Very few current licences would include those issued then
Anyone from that era would be at least 55/56 years old now.
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I'd have none and hope she never gets over it. People have far too much sympathy for people who cause these things these days, but she was in the wrong and should always be paying for it.
I'm the same
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