Tesla Model Y

Third_Echelon · 20-07-2020 11:02pm

unkel wrote: »

Model 3 is no looker either, yet it is the best selling vehicle where you are, in California.

Well, it's nicer than the Y. It has nicer proportions etc...

The amount of model 3s here is ridiculous. You go into any car park at any time and you're guaranteed to see at least 15 to 20. Driving to and from work is a model 3 parade. Lots of people bought them when their tech company shares paid out. Though, because there are lots around, people are customising and wrapping them in different colours and styles. Some cool jobs!

3d4life · 02-08-2020 10:00pm

Not the Euro version but for 5 bucks ....

Third_Echelon · 03-08-2020 4:08am

There was a Y charging beside me yesterday when I came back to pick up my car. Still not a major fan of the look, but the white is definitely nicer than the blue paint job that I saw a few weeks ago.

JohnC. · 06-10-2020 11:14am

Convertible Model Y in Dublin

https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/5/21502379/tesla-modely-roof-flies-off-convertible-quality-issue

graememk · 06-10-2020 1:17pm

JohnC. wrote: »

Convertible Model Y in Dublin

https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/5/21502379/tesla-modely-roof-flies-off-convertible-quality-issue

California?

Silent Running · 06-10-2020 1:21pm

graememk wrote: »

California?

Yeah... Dublin.

liamog · 06-10-2020 1:24pm

unkel wrote: »

That doesn't feel right to me. If only there was even a ski hatch so it could stick its head into the cabin a bit and see the people?

Although that wouldn't work if 3 people sit in the back. But I'm only new to owning dogs, maybe experienced owners could give their opinion on dog in boot?

Dog's tend to like den's so it's not the worst in the world, it's why kennels and crates work well for them.

timsey tiger · 06-10-2020 1:35pm

unkel wrote: »

That doesn't feel right to me. If only there was even a ski hatch so it could stick its head into the cabin a bit and see the people?

Linky

Although that wouldn't work if 3 people sit in the back. But I'm only new to owning dogs, maybe experienced owners could give their opinion on dog in boot?

He is like a missile waiting to launch out of its silo in the event of an accident.

unkel · 06-10-2020 2:10pm

Aye, I know. We have a proper solid fitted dog guard made specifically for our car:

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carloscorreia · 07-10-2020 8:41pm

Berlin model Y will have the new 4680 cells

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-y-giga-berlin-4680-cells-structural-battery-pack-confirmed-elon-musk/

paulmurphyvec · 21-10-2020 10:32am

I haven't seen the Tesla model Y in Ireland yet! Is the Tesla model Y be available in Europe any time soon?
What a car that is. 🚗⚡🙂

ELM327 · 21-10-2020 10:49am

unkel · 21-10-2020 11:24am

paulmurphyvec wrote: »

I haven't seen the Tesla model Y in Ireland yet! Is the Tesla model Y be available in Europe any time soon?
What a car that is. &#55357;&#56983;⚡&#55357;&#56898;

All Model Y for Europe will be manufactured in Gigafactory Berlin. This factory is only being built now. I wouldn't expect a RHD Tesla Model Y on Irish plates until 2022

ELM327 · 21-10-2020 11:25am

Once we get the Berlin ones and not the China ones that's ok!

unkel · 21-10-2020 11:31am

Dunno about that. There's a lot to say for the cheaper, sturdier and safer (but slightly heavier) LiFePo4 batteries and a car possibly sold for thousands less because it's cheaper to make it over in China.

ELM327 · 21-10-2020 11:50am

I've been reading the pros and cons of that different chemistry and it seems a lot of trade off for minimal benefit beyond cost.
It requires much more fettling (a full charge every week, slower fast charging, more heat loss, heavier so less efficient) compared to existing cells.

And I've been quite vocal (and lambasted for it) about my opinion on Chinese built cars online, I'd never buy one.

unkel · 21-10-2020 1:11pm

ELM327 wrote: »

I've been quite vocal (and lambasted for it) about my opinion on Chinese built cars online, I'd never buy one.

That will limit you to just Ferraris, Porsches and Lamborghinis in just a decade or two

Or garbage US trucks

ELM327 · 21-10-2020 1:18pm

I'd be perfectly happy with a "garbage" US truck or a porsche cayenne. No way will I put me or my family in a china made car.

"Made In China" is synonymous with brilliance and safety!

JohnC. · 21-10-2020 1:24pm

Still living in the 80s, eh?

ELM327 · 21-10-2020 1:26pm

We didnt have any Chinese cars here in the 80's, this is a recent thing.

unkel · 21-10-2020 1:28pm

Indeed. Very outdated view. Pretty much everything with electronics in it is built in China now. I guess you don't own any mobile phone, laptop or cordless hoover then either, ELM327 or at least not keep any of them inside your house where your family is in case the lithium batteries go on fire? :pac:

ELM327 · 21-10-2020 3:10pm

unkel wrote: »

Indeed. Very outdated view. Pretty much everything with electronics in it is built in China now. I guess you don't own any mobile phone, laptop or cordless hoover then either, ELM327 or at least not keep any of them inside your house where your family is in case the lithium batteries go on fire? :pac:

Do you drive your iphone?
Risk of crashing in your laptop?

Of course all my tech stuff is made in china. But you don't risk crashing in it and relying on a china made crumple zone to save your life.

The fact that Teslas have been made in the USA was a major selling point to me. Whatever about a eurowagon made in Deutschland (I'm part German but that's another story) I wouldnt ever ever ever buy a made in china Tesla - or any car made in China.

Oafley Jones · 21-10-2020 3:50pm

People used say the same about Japanese cars. Personally, I'd be extremely reticent about buying an American made car. A Tesla made in China or Germany can only be a better built product than what their spitting out at the moment in Fremont.

unkel · 21-10-2020 4:02pm

Yeah I'd be nearly thinking the same myself. A German built and even a Chinese made car from the same manufacturer are likely going to be far better built than the rubbish standards they have in the US. Even when a fairly stringent manufacturers like BMW and Mercedes had car plants setup in the states, the quality of the vehicles was appalling (Z3 / M-class)

sk8board · 21-11-2020 12:04am

Seems like the initial reliability and quality of the model Y is pretty awful.
Consumer Reports ranked Tesla bottom of all manufacturers back in the summer, which was though to be driven by the S and X but it seems it’s also due to the Y.
The 3 is the only model with a buy recommendation.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/19/tech/tesla-model-y-reliability-consumer-reports/index.html

Oafley Jones · 21-11-2020 12:42am

sk8board wrote: »

Seems like the initial reliability and quality of the model Y is pretty awful.
Consumer Reports ranked Tesla bottom of all manufacturers back in the summer, which was though to be driven by the S and X but it seems it’s also due to the Y.
The 3 is the only model with a buy recommendation.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/19/tech/tesla-model-y-reliability-consumer-reports/index.html

Nearly every video I watch on YouTube on the Y is just a litany of the cars failures. The thing is these guys are nearly all super positive on Tesla as a company, and try to be somewhat optimistic on the Y. “It’s the best car I’ve owned” and then proceeds to detail the fourth time it’s been booked in for repairs for the same issue.

lafors · 09-01-2021 10:12am

I see they've released the standard range version eventually in the US.
230 miles @$42k and RWD, 5.9 0-60 so same as the M3 SR+ version I guess.
I presume they'll make that model available here when it does eventually arrive, surely it will be the biggest selling version for them.

09-01-2021 11:46am

They're only releasing it because the VW ID4 is hitting the market and undercutting them significantly in their domestic market.

unkel · 09-01-2021 1:16pm

It'll be at least another year before we're getting the RHD Model Y in Ireland as it will be made in gigafactory Berlin. Interesting to see what happens though. Looks like 2021 / 2022 will finally bring some decent supply of EVs and competition. Bring it on!

unkel · 09-01-2021 1:18pm

Deleted User wrote: »

They're only releasing it because the VW ID4 is hitting the market and undercutting them significantly in their domestic market.

What's the story there with the very generous federal tax credits? I guess they are gone now for Model Y, but still available for ID.4? Model Y is a more premium car than ID.4 with far more up to date technical features, but if the latter is thousands cheaper after tax for similar range, it's game on.

09-01-2021 1:23pm

https://www.cars.com/articles/which-electric-cars-are-still-eligible-for-the-7500-federal-tax-credit-429824/

unkel · 09-01-2021 1:28pm

Thanks, so $7,500 tax credit for the ID.4 and none for the Tesla.

That should give VW a nice boost in the market there. Hopefully the people have forgiven / forgotten about the diesel cheating scandal or reckon VW have paid the price in billions and billions of penalties

0lddog · 09-01-2021 4:05pm

unkel wrote: »

Thanks, so $7,500 tax credit for the ID.4 and none for the Tesla.......

Then again Tesla do seem to have something going on with Fiat Crysler

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-fiat-chrysler-tesla-eu-idUSKCN1RJ03I

( buy a Tesla and get a subsidy from Fiat

)

unkel · 09-01-2021 4:09pm

Yeah that is ending now but was lucrative when still going

sk8board · 10-01-2021 10:45pm

By the time the Y arrives here, there’ll be plenty ID.4’s around and Tesla will have lost their early mover advantage in a car segment for the first time ever. If it’s expensive by comparison, then they’ll be limited to those with deposits and the tesla-only boys (big overlap, obviously).

We’re coming up on the FIFTH anniversary of putting a deposit on a model 3, and Ireland only has about 600 of them delivered, many of them to fleets.

It feels like Tesla might start to get overtaken in 2021 by the late delivery of the Y, and it’s one of only two new cars they’ll make for years to come. Sales of S and X are almost nothing.

ted1 · 10-01-2021 11:07pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They're only releasing it because the VW ID4 is hitting the market and undercutting them significantly in their domestic market.

Is undercutting the correct word when they selling a much lower spec model ?

The SR they released is more comparable.

ted1 · 10-01-2021 11:11pm

sk8board wrote: »

We’re coming up on the FIFTH anniversary of putting a deposit on a model 3, and Ireland only has about 600 of them delivered, many of them to fleets..

Is it really only 600? I must see 3 or 4 a day. ( not the sane ones )

liamog · 10-01-2021 11:24pm

It's 911 Model 3's between 2019 and 2020.

There are about the same number of Tesla Model 3's as their are Renault Zoe's

unkel · 10-01-2021 11:35pm

sk8board wrote: »

By the time the Y arrives here, there’ll be plenty ID.4’s around

Aye. I for one think it is brilliant that VW has gone full swing for EVs only and that they are now producing competent cars like the ID.3 and ID.4. Not so sure if you can compare the ID.4 with the Model Y though on a like for like basis

We shall see in maybe about a year when the Model Y lands here for the first time

Sam W · 11-01-2021 2:23am

unkel wrote: »

Aye. I for one think it is brilliant that VW has gone full swing for EVs only and that they are now producing competent cars like the ID.3 and ID.4. Not so sure if you can compare the ID.4 with the Model Y though on a like for like basis

We shall see in maybe about a year when the Model Y lands here for the first time

The disappointing services I received from VW last month converted me to a Tesla owner. At least in Tesla nobody was rushing me into anything and I really liked the sales model there, where I could talk to any staff and everyone is ready to serve me.

Also the internal feel in the ID.3 is really plastic everywhere and I prefer the touch and feel in Tesla Model 3 a lot more. Don’t know if ID.4 is going to be a lot different though but the VW salesperson told me the ID.3 and 4 are going to be ‘almost identical’ with the exception of the space in the car.

Not really sure about the price for Model Y yet, but in China the ID.4 has an estimated price of 250K CNY and the Model Y LR is 340K CNY.

unkel · 11-01-2021 10:19am

Yes, ID.3 and ID.4 are econoboxes, very cheap feeling and looking. From the materials used to the stickers on the outside. Nothing wrong with that, but the semi-premium quality that Volkswagen cars used to have, even the Golf, is well and truly gone. Tesla Model 3 / Y aren't Rolls-Royces either, but the feel is a lot more premium than these new Volkswagens.

What were your disappointing services?

ELM327 · 11-01-2021 10:25am

I agree with that Unkel but Tesla are solely lacking premium feel even in the S. The 3 I sat in in Sandyford (MY21 version) was very non premium too.

unkel · 11-01-2021 12:26pm

Yes, the X and S are better now than they used to be but neither feel anywhere near on a par with similar priced cars from BMW / Audi / Mercedes

11-01-2021 12:40pm

I believe the ID.4 interior is a lot better than the id.3.

The thing that p1sses me off about Tesla is that they're too far away from me where in 10 mins I can be in the local VW dealer which is great when you need to hand the car back for work.

Having to go to Frank Keane on the Naas road is a pain in the arse even though I work in Dublin it's still a pain to get out where with VW I could hand it in Friday evening.

Frank only once or twice gave me an i3 while my car was in for work and I was really annoyed by this. It has to go in soon for Service and I'm really dreading it to be honest.

A lot to be said for having a dealer close by.

unkel · 11-01-2021 12:56pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I believe the ID.4 interior is a lot better than the id.3.

The thing that p1sses me off about Tesla is that they're too far away from me where in 10 mins I can be in the local VW dealer which is great when you need to hand the car back for work.

Having to go to Frank Keane on the Naas road is a pain in the arse even though I work in Dublin it's still a pain to get out where with VW I could hand it in Friday evening.

Frank only once or twice gave me an i3 while my car was in for work and I was really annoyed by this. It has to go in soon for Service and I'm really dreading it to be honest.

A lot to be said for having a dealer close by.

You do realise Tesla have mobile "Rangers" that come to your home / place of work? I have no experience of them myself but they seem to have a good reputation and they seem to be able to do many jobs on site

AndyBoBandy · 11-01-2021 2:05pm

Deleted User wrote: »

The thing that p1sses me off about Tesla is that they're too far away from me where in 10 mins I can be in the local VW dealer which is great when you need to hand the car back for work.
A lot to be said for having a dealer close by.

I genuinely don't know, but do VW's have a reputation of needing to go back to dealers for work regularly? Didn't the ID.3 need to go back for a software update (though I believe that might just have been a once off).

The one issue I've had with the Model 3 since getting it 10 month ago was a rear light that was fogged up, The Ranger came and replaced it while the car was sitting in my driveway, and I was sitting on a conference call. (I'm in north county Dublin, and Sandyford would be a pain in the ar$e to have to go to for me during the day).

I reckon if the Model Y hits Ireland in the SR+ format, it will do very well indeed, regardless of how popular the ID.4 ends up being.

The only thing the Y & ID.4 share is that they are both mid size crossovers, but then everything else is simply incomparable.

Sam W · 11-01-2021 2:06pm

unkel wrote: »

Yes, ID.3 and ID.4 are econoboxes, very cheap feeling and looking. From the materials used to the stickers on the outside. Nothing wrong with that, but the semi-premium quality that Volkswagen cars used to have, even the Golf, is well and truly gone. Tesla Model 3 / Y aren't Rolls-Royces either, but the feel is a lot more premium than these new Volkswagens.

What were your disappointing services?

1. We booked an appointment for 10am but wasn't seen until 11.15am. Nobody offered any explanation or apology.
2. We asked for a test drive for ID.4 when we booked the appointment and they simply said okay. Nobody told us that there would be none in stock until 2021.
3. We were offered a test drive in ID.3 for less than 15 minutes, and the salesperson kept pressing us to reserve the ID.4 right after that and saying that the ID.3 and ID.4 are going to be identical anyway.

I was much more impressed by the services in Tesla where they would simply allow us to walk around the cars, have a sit in the car for a bit, then grab any person available at the time and talk through anything about the car.

ELM327 wrote: »

I agree with that Unkel but Tesla are solely lacking premium feel even in the S. The 3 I sat in in Sandyford (MY21 version) was very non premium too.

I guess it depends on the person. My girlfriend prefers the old fashioned classic feeling with a lot of buttons, fancy lights and dashboard. She went for a Merc CLA200 Premium+ in the end. I much prefer a cleaner dashboard and slick & modern look, hence Tesla looks good to me.

What she and I can both agree is that ID.3 (or supposedly the same look and feel for ID.4) internal feels really cheap. Plastic everywhere and the dashboard is so 10 years ago - neither modern nor vintage.

Fair enough the ID.4 price is decent for an electric compact SUV but when you look at the length and width of the car, it's even smaller than a Model 3.

11-01-2021 2:16pm

Sam W wrote: »

1. We booked an appointment for 10am but wasn't seen until 11.15am. Nobody offered any explanation or apology.
2. We asked for a test drive for ID.4 when we booked the appointment and they simply said okay. Nobody told us that there would be none in stock until 2021.
3. We were offered a test drive in ID.3 for less than 15 minutes, and the salesperson kept pressing us to reserve the ID.4 right after that and saying that the ID.3 and ID.4 are going to be identical anyway.

I was much more impressed by the services in Tesla where they would simply allow us to walk around the cars, have a sit in the car for a bit, then grab any person available at the time and talk through anything about the car.

I guess it depends on the person. My girlfriend prefers the old fashioned classic feeling with a lot of buttons, fancy lights and dashboard. She went for a Merc CLA200 Premium+ in the end. I much prefer a cleaner dashboard and slick & modern look, hence Tesla looks good to me.

What she and I can both agree is that ID.3 (or supposedly the same look and feel for ID.4) internal feels really cheap. Plastic everywhere and the dashboard is so 10 years ago - neither modern nor vintage.

Fair enough the ID.4 price is decent for an electric compact SUV but when you look at the length and width of the car, it's even smaller than a Model 3.

external dimensions of ID4 are smaller than Model Y but internal dimensions are near enough the same or larger. I watched a German video from auto, motor und sport where this topic was discussed over the weekend. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjJfaB-hnrU
The guy reviewing is about 6ft 3in
scroll 50 seconds in to the video to see the table for dimensions.
Interior quality in ID4 is better than ID3 but appearance is similar.

11-01-2021 3:36pm

unkel wrote: »

You do realise Tesla have mobile "Rangers" that come to your home / place of work? I have no experience of them myself but they seem to have a good reputation and they seem to be able to do many jobs on site

Of course I do but if the car had to go in for any reason, Sandyford is a pain.

11-01-2021 3:38pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

I genuinely don't know, but do VW's have a reputation of needing to go back to dealers for work regularly? Didn't the ID.3 need to go back for a software update (though I believe that might just have been a once off).

The one issue I've had with the Model 3 since getting it 10 month ago was a rear light that was fogged up, The Ranger came and replaced it while the car was sitting in my driveway, and I was sitting on a conference call. (I'm in north county Dublin, and Sandyford would be a pain in the ar$e to have to go to for me during the day).

I reckon if the Model Y hits Ireland in the SR+ format, it will do very well indeed, regardless of how popular the ID.4 ends up being.

The only thing the Y & ID.4 share is that they are both mid size crossovers, but then everything else is simply incomparable.

I'm sure the id.3 will have to go in for it's scheduled "service" inspection or whatever you want to call it.

Tesla Model Y

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