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degsie · 29-01-2017 1:43am #1

With Trump's executive order on Muslim immigration, his siding up with Russia and his spat with Mexico, alongside the UK turning its back on Europe, we are heading towards a darker place. The world seems a little less safe right now.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 29-01-2017 1:47am

Are you any relation to the legendary Degsy who used to post on here?

Characters like him, CD, Sergeant, Bantum and Crown are sorely missed on this site.

C. Montgomery Gurns · 29-01-2017 1:47am

degsie wrote: »

With Trump's executive order on Muslim immigration, his siding up with Russia and his spat with Mexico, alongside the UK turning its back on Europe, we are heading towards a darker place. The world seems a little less safe right now.

Trump has restricted immigration from countries which have produced lone wolf attackers (Somalia, Afghanistan and Syria) in three countries in 2015 and 2016 (Germany, the USA and the UK).

Trump is, as you put it, siding up with, or making peace with, the world's second biggest nuclear arsenal.

The EU are not going to declare war on the UK. Most EU states haven't the balls to protect their own women let alone fight the Brits.

Can you explain to me how the world is now less safe?

rachb · 29-01-2017 1:48am

The world has been a lot less safer place since we let in all the undocumented economic migrants into Europe.

wakka12 · 29-01-2017 1:53am

Uk turning its back on europe is not one of the major things making the world less safe right now. Spare a thought for the millions of Yemenites presently enduring famine and untold hardship due to Saudi blockades rather than worrying about some the stupid antics of that moron Trump who's probably pulling most of this **** for publicity
And I hate derailing these kind of threads with a these people have it worse post but really in the grand scheme of things what Trump is doing or ever has the power to do is not as nearly as bad as whats happening in many parts of the world presently so it just seems a bit childish and blinkered to the problems of the rest of the world really

RobertKK · 29-01-2017 1:53am

I am looking forward to the US being in a darker place later this year on August 21st.

Dr Crayfish · 29-01-2017 1:54am

C. Montgomery Gurns wrote: »

Trump has restricted immigration from countries which have produced lone wolf attackers (Somalia, Afghanistan and Syria) in three countries in 2015 and 2016 (Germany, the USA and the UK).

It's a publicity stunt. I don't see Saudi Arabia on his list of countries, who's citizens were responsible for 9/11. I wonder why?
The real terror threat in USA is their own citizens going on gun rampages, which happens all the time, but they don't want to address that issue properly.

Atlantic Dawn · 29-01-2017 1:54am

Where did he say he was banning Muslims?

Atlantic Dawn · 29-01-2017 1:55am

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

It's a publicity stunt. I don't see Saudi Arabia on his list of countries, who's citizens were responsible for 9/11. I wonder why?
The real terror threat in USA is their own citizens going on gun rampages, which happens all the time, but they don't want to address that issue properly.

Hilary took the Saudi money with no questions, RTÉ forgets this.

Stravos Murphy · 29-01-2017 1:57am

We're going to build a wall from Dingle to Annascoul.

RobertKK · 29-01-2017 1:57am

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

It's a publicity stunt. I don't see Saudi Arabia on his list of countries, who's citizens were responsible for 9/11. I wonder why?
The real terror threat in USA is their own citizens going on gun rampages, which happens all the time, but they don't want to address that issue properly.

Saudi Arabia has several hundreds of billions of dollars invested in the US, they made a threat to take their money out of the country and their stock market if the US did anything to them when Obama was in power.

degsie · 29-01-2017 1:57am

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Where did he say he was banning Muslims?

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/trump-signs-executive-order-implementing-extreme-vetting-1.2954319

C. Montgomery Gurns · 29-01-2017 1:58am

Actually come to think about it, our world may be, in some aspects, a bit more dangerous in 2017.

Obama rushed to release scores of highly dangerous prisoners days before Trump took office.

It is highly like Ibrahim Halawa will be released from prison and return to Ireland in 2017.

So yes, while it goes against the lefty vibe of the OP, there's two reasons we may face heightened risk in 2017.

Atlantic Dawn · 29-01-2017 1:59am

degsie wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/trump-signs-executive-order-implementing-extreme-vetting-1.2954319

But he's not letting in Catholics, Protestants or Jews from the same countries?

eeguy · 29-01-2017 2:00am

rachb wrote: »

The world has been a lot less safer place since we let in all the undocumented economic migrants into Europe.

There's a weird disassociate humans make on things that kill us.
Disease, suicide, car crashes, work accidents, attacks from our own people and on and on, yet we fixate on immigrants, even though they do statistically insignificant damage to our societies.

As I've said before, the Bataclan attack made world headlines. The worst attack on Framce since WW2. An attack carried out by Belgians and French nationals on the French. 2 of 8 terrorists were non European. In terms of death, more people died on French roads in the 4 weeks leading up to the attack. Over 90% of the people inside the Bataclan escaped. Some though there was a fire, not an attack, yet it led to huge crackdowns and hatred towards immigrants who had zero to do with it.

I think the world has gone mad with their fear of terrorism. I think media portrays it as much worse than it actually is. We have irish lads with 100s of convictions terrorising us and not a word said, while 24 hour coverage about all the "hidden terrorists" among the refugees. A grand claim to make, since either can't be proven right or wrong.

I hate to Godwin the thread but i find it so hypocritical when people say "Oh we'd never let atrocities like the holocaust happen again" when we have hundreds of thousands killed in Syria, millions fleeing and people just don't want to know.

Dr Crayfish · 29-01-2017 2:00am

C. Montgomery Gurns wrote: »

Actually come to think about it, our world may be, in some aspects, a bit more dangerous in 2017.

Obama rushed to release scores of highly dangerous prisoners days before Trump took office.

It is highly like Ibrahim Halawa will be released from prison and return to Ireland in 2017.

So yes, while it goes against the lefty vibe of the OP, there's two reasons we may face heightened risk in 2017.

Yeah, I wouldn't want to meet Chelsea Manning in a dark alley...

degsie · 29-01-2017 2:01am

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

But he's not letting in Catholics, Protestants or Jews from the same countries?

He is prioritising Christians from those countries.

RobertKK · 29-01-2017 2:02am

degsie wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/trump-signs-executive-order-implementing-extreme-vetting-1.2954319

Bad news, it is more than Muslims. It makes nice propaganda to say it is only Muslims.
Anyone who has travelled to these countries are too, and people of all religions and none.
A CNN journalist who is not Muslim but said he has been to a number of these countries says he is affected too.

C. Montgomery Gurns · 29-01-2017 2:03am

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Yeah, I wouldn't want to meet Chelsea Manning in a dark alley...

It probably is where you could find him hanging about :pac::pac:

I was referring to the Guantanamo prisoners mind. Although given the US murder rates I would be very surprised if one of the released drug offenders doesn't crop up sooner or later for a murder.

Atlantic Dawn · 29-01-2017 2:03am

I suppose he is sticking to what he preached, unlike our turncoats.

jacksie66 · 29-01-2017 2:04am

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Samuel T. Cogley · 29-01-2017 2:04am

The man is doing what he said he'd do. I completely disagree with pretty much every policy he has and everything he stands for. He's a buffoon, but about the first politician that I can remeber that said he'd do something and then got on and did it.

The US has a constitution and the lawyers will sort it out. In the meantime fair play to the idiot.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 29-01-2017 2:05am

C. Montgomery Gurns wrote: »

Actually come to think about it, our world may be, in some aspects, a bit more dangerous in 2017.

Obama rushed to release scores of highly dangerous prisoners days before Trump took office.

It is highly like Ibrahim Halawa will be released from prison and return to Ireland in 2017.

So yes, while it goes against the lefty vibe of the OP, there's two reasons we may face heightened risk in 2017.

Pardoned a man who was convicted of High Treason. In the old days you'd line up in front of a firing squad for that.

It's actually comical how the Dems can square this away with their claims that Putin rigged the election.

Darkglasses · 29-01-2017 2:05am

Could've been us.

4068ac1elhodqr · 29-01-2017 2:05am

He's a bit like the Ronseal Wood Stain TV adverts, he does exactly what he says on the tin (whether good or bad).

Now if he said he was going to bring in a new vast array of water charges, the electorate wouldn't have voted him in.

C. Montgomery Gurns · 29-01-2017 2:07am

eeguy wrote: »

I think the world has gone mad with their fear of terrorism. I think media portrays it as much worse than it actually is. We have irish lads with 100s of convictions terrorising us and not a word said, while 24 hour coverage about all the "hidden terrorists" among the refugees. A grand claim to make, since either can't be proven right or wrong.

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I do agree in part.

Are there thousands of ISIS operatives among the refugees? Probably not. Is there dozens of men who will arrive in Europe, become disillusioned, and resort to lone wolf attacks? Without a doubt. Why would they export so many of their footsoldiers? What people forget is that the ISIS leadership are not all Islamist radicals prepared to die. Many of them are secular former Saddam loyalists who realised portraying themselves as Islamists was the easiest way to gain recruits- the Che Guevara- esque politics of the Baath party just don't inspire Muslim youth like it used to.

jameorahiely · 29-01-2017 2:10am

Obama banned Iranians in 2011. We're still standing

uck51js9zml2yt · 29-01-2017 2:11am

Stravos Murphy wrote: »

We're going to build a wall from Dingle to Annascoul.

Most people here wouldn't know where annascull is;)

Yourself isit · 29-01-2017 2:11am

jameorahiely wrote: »

Obama banned Iranians in 2011. We're still standing

Did he? Interesting.

Samuel T. Cogley · 29-01-2017 2:12am

Toddlers have killed more people in the US than terrorists in recent years.

C. Montgomery Gurns · 29-01-2017 2:17am

Libertarian Kant wrote: »

Toddlers have killed more people in the US than terrorists in recent years.

Since the Boston bombings attacks by ISIS inspired jihadis within the US have killed at least 72 people, in attacks involving at least 15 jihadis, 11 of whom are dead.

Have toddlers really killed 72 people in four years? There are 8 million US toddlers per calender year. 72 murders gives them a murder rate roughly on a par with the Republic of Ireland (36 per 4 million)

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