Bloodborne (From Software / Sony)

richymcdermott · 10-06-2014 10:26pm

I said this already on the E3 thread but I would much prefer if the game was 720p 60 fps than 30fps. I find resolution to be hard to notice at times but I can most certainly feel a game thats 30fps and 60fps

2Mad2BeMad · 10-06-2014 10:40pm

richymcdermott wrote: »

I said this already on the E3 thread but I would much prefer if the game was 720p 60 fps than 30fps. I find resolution to be hard to notice at times but I can most certainly feel a game thats 30fps and 60fps

what fps was dark souls? was it 30 or 60? either way I loved it, and have no doubt I will love this game too with a nice graphic update and hopefully some darksoul/demonsoul gameplay style
fps at 30 won't really matter, only times most people would notice a 30fps would be in fps games like cod

YouSavedMyLife · 10-06-2014 10:49pm

richymcdermott wrote: »

I said this already on the E3 thread but I would much prefer if the game was 720p 60 fps than 30fps. I find resolution to be hard to notice at times but I can most certainly feel a game thats 30fps and 60fps

This. I don't understand console devs obsession with making the game as beautiful as possible but sacrificing FPS. Dark Souls 2, Black Flag and Dragons Dogma are 3 console games that spring to mind. Both Black Flag and Dogma I stopped playing early into each game because the FPS was unbearable

gizmo · 10-06-2014 11:35pm

YouSavedMyLife wrote: »

This. I don't understand console devs obsession with making the game as beautiful as possible but sacrificing FPS. Dark Souls 2, Black Flag and Dragons Dogma are 3 console games that spring to mind. Both Black Flag and Dogma I stopped playing early into each game because the FPS was unbearable

Because it's a reaction to the obsession of the wider gaming audience to pretty things rather than things running at 60fps.

Hamhide · 10-06-2014 11:43pm

I can't wait for this, souls game or not, if its coming from fromsoft then its going to be crazy!

Soulwrite · 11-06-2014 8:57am

60fps does make most games feel more responsive and tighter compared to 30fps. I would say today 60fps is required by most games and resolution should be traded for it to a point. While resolution can certainly help immersion music and pacing also are factors, but with regards to responsive button pushing game optimization and frame rate does play more of a role.
Having it as a timed exclusive does seem to make the most sense, allowing them to make PS4 seem an even sweeter deal, and lure people to get a console who can't wait for it to release on other platforms. After 4-6 months they could release a PC version, hell they could even try and release a PS4 controller compatible with the game on PC. They have plenty of options to get money out of the game whist still making PS4 alluring to people.

Digital Solitude · 11-06-2014 10:28am

Is it a Souls-esque game without the name does anyone know? I'll be buying it either way, and a PS4 to play it!

Wossack · 11-06-2014 11:48am

as long as the framerate doesnt hit blighttown on xbox360 levels...

Benzino · 12-06-2014 1:44am

First gameplay footage, albeit a cam and very short.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GCx2wW61aQ

One of the guys from Gametrailers were talking about the above walkthrough they saw, the guy seems very excited about it haha! Check it out here.

F1ngers · 13-06-2014 10:49am

Some more info.

Hidetaka Miyazaki, director of Demon's Souls, the original Dark Souls and the upcoming Bloodborne sat down with Japanese gaming mag Weekly Famitsu to talk about the new game.

http://kotaku.com/there-are-guns-but-from-softwares-bloodborne-wont-be-a-1589789228

Xenji · 13-06-2014 12:31pm

You have to be quick before they delete it again, leaked gameplay trailer.

ShadowHearth · 13-06-2014 2:11pm

Jizzs in my pants level 99.

Mickeroo · 13-06-2014 2:12pm

That's a Souls game alright.

Sephiroth_dude · 13-06-2014 2:44pm

That looks frigging awesome!

noodler · 17-06-2014 9:51am

I was all like:

"Oh really, another curse??"

penev10 · 17-06-2014 11:33am

A German Spy translates an interview with Miyazaki from a Japanese source:

Hellkite Drake also has a frame by frame analysis vid which is worth a watch (can't get a link to it now)

2smiggy · 12-08-2014 2:07pm

any idea when we can expect to see the gameplay from this today ?

Penn · 12-08-2014 2:08pm

2smiggy wrote: »

any idea when we can expect to see the gameplay from this today ?

Well, Sony's conference starts at 6pm I think, so if it's being shown, it'll likely be during it.

F1ngers · 12-08-2014 7:18pm

New video from gamescom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WsqQtqwP9E

EDIT:

Hello, PlayStation fans. This is Masaaki Yamagiwa from Japan Studio. I am pleased to present our brand new gameplay trailer and some new gameplay details about the PlayStation 4 exclusive Bloodborne.

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2014/08/12/bloodborne-on-ps4-new-combat-details/#sf4117190

Kiith · 13-08-2014 9:04am

God damn it, why can't this be multiplatform (or at least on pc as well). I know why...but i want it dammit.

Big Knox · 13-08-2014 9:48am

Reminds me of Nightmare Creatures on the PS1 a lot. The setting, creatures and weapons all look of similar style so I wonder is it an influence. I used to love it and the 2nd one but I haven't played them since they were released so I can't imagine they have aged well. Anyone else remember them?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTDbScc-kYs

tok9 · 19-08-2014 6:43pm

Gameplay from Gamescom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWId6_Pemck

2smiggy · 19-08-2014 7:03pm

tok9 wrote: »

Gameplay from Gamescom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWId6_Pemck

Looks great. Just hopefully there will be a good variety of locations.

19-08-2014 11:56pm

It looks like dark souls reskinned. Even the animations, sounds and in game gui are nearly the same tbh...hmmm

YouSavedMyLife · 20-08-2014 12:40am

To be honest this is....disappointing. I really like the setting/world the game takes place in but they seem to have pulled a "Dark Souls 2" on this one. I don't know what i expected from this game, but i didn't expect Dark Souls re-skinned and shinier. After the first release trailer i though this would be the game that would push me over the edge and pick up a PS4, but now im not so sure

Xenji · 20-08-2014 3:36am

M!Ck^ wrote: »

It looks like dark souls reskinned. Even the animations, sounds and in game gui are nearly the same tbh...hmmm

YouSavedMyLife wrote: »

To be honest this is....disappointing. I really like the setting/world the game takes place in but they seem to have pulled a "Dark Souls 2" on this one. I don't know what i expected from this game, but i didn't expect Dark Souls re-skinned and shinier. After the first release trailer i though this would be the game that would push me over the edge and pick up a PS4, but now im not so sure

Have you both played all 3 Souls games, as everything you have mentioned has been present in both of them since Demon Souls, you do not play a Souls game for its aesthetics, you play it for its punishing gameplay and it addictiveness, the graphics have never been the greatest and they reuse a lot of the animations, but at least it is not the same recycled garbage like Fifa and CoD.

tok9 · 20-08-2014 9:11am

Calling it dark souls reskinned is doing it a big disservice at the moment.

It looks like a much quicker game than the Souls games, it doesn't look like we have a shield at all this time which will completely change up the combat and enemies aren't just there waiting for you at all times. A lot of them are looking for you.

It actually looks like it may have the feature Dark Souls 2 was marketing beforehand in the torch being important.

It definitely looks similar.. no doubt but so did Demon souls to Dark Souls and they are 2 of the best games of the last generation.

20-08-2014 9:18am

tok9 wrote: »

Calling it dark souls reskinned is doing it a big disservice at the moment.

It looks like a much quicker game than the Souls games, it doesn't look like we have a shield at all this time which will completely change up the combat and enemies aren't just there waiting for you at all times. A lot of them are looking for you.

It actually looks like it may have the feature Dark Souls 2 was marketing beforehand in the torch being important.

It definitely looks similar.. no doubt but so did Demon souls to Dark Souls and they are 2 of the best games of the last generation.

My issue is are they marketing this as a souls game? I don't think so.

tok9 · 20-08-2014 9:39am

M!Ck^ wrote: »

My issue is are they marketing this as a souls game? I don't think so.

No it's not being marketed as a Souls game but it's from the same developer.

I don't really understand the issue?

Zapp Brannigan · 20-08-2014 10:34am

Anyone else think they just showed us some multiplayer co-op in that trailer or was it an NPC?

tok9 · 20-08-2014 10:38am

Ya that was definitely another player.

iamanengine · 20-08-2014 10:42am

Zapp Brannigan wrote: »

Anyone else think they just showed us some multiplayer co-op in that trailer or was it an NPC?

It didn't look like a phantom either. Hopefully it's not fully co-op as that would take a lot away from the isolation aspect that Souls does so well.

Steviemoyne · 20-08-2014 11:09am

Call me strange but I'd consider any game described with the phrase "Dark Souls reskinned" to be a massive compliment.

The exclusive thing is bull****. I'd gladly throw my money at demon souls or this game...on pc.

Generic Dreadhead · 20-08-2014 11:30am

Never played a "Souls" game but this looks like the perfect way to get me into the series

20-08-2014 11:33am

tok9 wrote: »

No it's not being marketed as a Souls game but it's from the same developer.

I don't really understand the issue?

So back to my original point about the re-skinning of the game;
It plays & looks like Dark Souls 1 & 2 and yet it's not being marketed as a souls game however it's a completely new I.P.

For me that what's disappointing about it regardless, even if you do enjoy the gameplay formula. There's nothing original about this "New I.P."

20-08-2014 11:35am

Xenji wrote: »

Have you both played all 3 Souls games, as everything you have mentioned has been present in both of them since Demon Souls, you do not play a Souls game for its aesthetics, you play it for its punishing gameplay and it addictiveness, the graphics have never been the greatest and they reuse a lot of the animations, but at least it is not the same recycled garbage like Fifa and CoD.

As above and also stated by tok this is not a Souls game

YouSavedMyLife · 20-08-2014 12:42pm

I played and loved Demon Souls, Dark Souls and Dark Souls 2. I felt Dark Souls was a significant upgrade over Demon Souls which made it one of my favourite games of all time and Dark Souls 2 was just more of the same, which i was ok with at the time. But this just seems to be Dark Souls 3.

I was expecting something new in the gameplay mechanics since it was a new I.P but nothing seems to have really changed here at all which has left me disappointed. Looks like Souls games are becoming like the Call of Duty and Assassin Creed games, more of the same with very little ingenuity

FlyingIrishMan · 20-08-2014 12:45pm

YouSavedMyLife wrote: »

I played and loved Demon Souls, Dark Souls and Dark Souls 2. I felt Dark Souls was a significant upgrade over Demon Souls which made it one of my favourite games of all time and Dark Souls 2 was just more of the same, which i was ok with at the time. But this just seems to be Dark Souls 3.

I was expecting something new in the gameplay mechanics since it was a new I.P but nothing seems to have really changed here at all which has left me disappointed. Looks like Souls games are becoming like the Call of Duty and Assassin Creed games, more of the same with very little ingenuity

I think the removal of shields should count as a huge change in gameplay mechanics, along with the addition of short range gun(s?) to stun enemies.
There's also the slightly changed health mechanics where successfully parrying an attack will get you a small health boost.
Plus the removal of magic so it's all hand to hand combat now.

Definitely think you should wait until more gameplay comes out before being so harsh on it. We still barely know anything about it other than the setting and some small game mechanics.

Mickeroo · 20-08-2014 12:47pm

Combat in Dark Souls 2 was different enough to Dark Souls 1 to warrant it not being termed more of the same imo.

YouSavedMyLife · 20-08-2014 12:52pm

FlyingIrishMan wrote: »

I think the removal of shields should count as a huge change in gameplay mechanics, along with the addition of short range gun(s?) to stun enemies.
There's also the slightly changed health mechanics where successfully parrying an attack will get you a small health boost.
Plus the removal of magic so it's all hand to hand combat now.

Definitely think you should wait until more gameplay comes out before being so harsh on it. We still barely know anything about it other than the setting and some small game mechanics.

Ok agreed then...

RasTa · 20-08-2014 1:09pm

M!Ck^ wrote: »

So back to my original point about the re-skinning of the game;
It plays & looks like Dark Souls 1 & 2 and yet it's not being marketed as a souls game however it's a completely new I.P.

For me that what's disappointing about it regardless, even if you do enjoy the gameplay formula. There's nothing original about this "New I.P."

You still haven't answered if you've played the original games?

tok9 · 20-08-2014 1:11pm

M!Ck^ wrote: »

So back to my original point about the re-skinning of the game;
It plays & looks like Dark Souls 1 & 2 and yet it's not being marketed as a souls game however it's a completely new I.P.

For me that what's disappointing about it regardless, even if you do enjoy the gameplay formula. There's nothing original about this "New I.P."

If that's from an aesthetic pov, fair enough. But on gameplay it's a bit harsh to say it's the same. As I said, it looks quicker, you can't block anymore. You have both a ranged and combat weapon at all times to the looks of it. They can be combined to create a heavy weapon, we don't know much on the online aspect yet etc..

..and that's from a 6 min clip of the only area we've seen so far.

I would just argue that this is the case for a lot of games developed by the same company.

Naughty dog with Uncharted and TLOU, Bungie with Halo and Destiny and so on.

I would just wait until we have a bit more info first.

Kiith · 20-08-2014 1:14pm

Do we know that they've removed shields and magic, or have we just seen one class so far?

tok9 · 20-08-2014 1:18pm

I'm pretty sure on the shields but I've no idea on magic.

Otacon · 20-08-2014 1:20pm

M!Ck^ wrote: »

As above and also stated by tok this is not a Souls game

Outside of the name, can you characterise what you think a Souls game is? What attributes should a Souls game have?

gizmo · 20-08-2014 1:21pm

M!Ck^ wrote: »

So back to my original point about the re-skinning of the game;
It plays & looks like Dark Souls 1 & 2 and yet it's not being marketed as a souls game however it's a completely new I.P.

For me that what's disappointing about it regardless, even if you do enjoy the gameplay formula. There's nothing original about this "New I.P."

It plays and looks like a Souls game by design though. Sony own the Demons Souls IP and, according to some interviews with current From President and Souls series Director/Supervisor Hidetaka Miyazaki, they approached the studio to do something new but with the same DNA as the Souls series for the PS4. From the footage of Bloodborne so far, that's what we're getting.

Seeing asset reuse at this stage isn't that surprising and could very well be placeholder in a few cases. In others, such as the UI design, why fix what's not broken? I'd imagine they're aiming for something that feels familiar to the Souls audience but given the drastic settings change and changes to combat, is different enough to differentiate itself from the Souls series.

Kiith wrote: »

Do we know that they've removed shields and magic, or have we just seen one class so far?

That seems to be addressed here.

“We were already thinking of a shift to a combat system where you would enter battle more actively than the sword and shield-based combat of Demon’s. So we adopted the idea of guns, but there was a prerequisite that we didn’t want the game to turn into a shooting game, and the Victorian age fit perfectly. It’s an era where the imagery of old guns still remains.”

I imagine we'll see magic in some form or another. Maybe alchemy or something?

2Mad2BeMad · 20-08-2014 1:36pm

Steviemoyne wrote: »

Call me strange but I'd consider any game described with the phrase "Dark Souls reskinned" to be a massive compliment.

The exclusive thing is bull****. I'd gladly throw my money at demon souls or this game...on pc.

I agree, the souls games are brilliant and id welcome a souls game ever 2 years no problem unlike other games that have outstayed their welcome, if this game was not exclusive id say it would make a **** ton more money then been on the one console. Sony definity know how too make exclusives.

20-08-2014 6:03pm

tok9 wrote: »

If that's from an aesthetic pov, fair enough. But on gameplay it's a bit harsh to say it's the same. As I said, it looks quicker, you can't block anymore. You have both a ranged and combat weapon at all times to the looks of it. They can be combined to create a heavy weapon, we don't know much on the online aspect yet etc..

..and that's from a 6 min clip of the only area we've seen so far.

I would just argue that this is the case for a lot of games developed by the same company.

Naughty dog with Uncharted and TLOU, Bungie with Halo and Destiny and so on.

I would just wait until we have a bit more info first.

First off not aimed at you tok but DS hard-cores seem to be getting there panties in a twist. I played Dark Souls and enjoyed it.

But on your point, for me like Dark Souls reskinned from what is clearly evident in the video. But we can agree to disagree here.

Again if it's not being marketed as a souls game then it's not a souls game.

They could have easily called it Blood Souls tbh

Making a comparison to Uncharted and TLOU is unfair in my opinion. Such a vast difference between the two. And these clearly being different IP's from the same delevepor.

20-08-2014 6:05pm

gizmo wrote: »

It plays and looks like a Souls game by design though. Sony own the Demons Souls IP and, according to some interviews with current From President and Souls series Director/Supervisor Hidetaka Miyazaki, they approached the studio to do something new but with the same DNA as the Souls series for the PS4. From the footage of Bloodborne so far, that's what we're getting.

Seeing asset reuse at this stage isn't that surprising and could very well be placeholder in a few cases. In others, such as the UI design, why fix what's not broken? I'd imagine they're aiming for something that feels familiar to the Souls audience but given the drastic settings change and changes to combat, is different enough to differentiate itself from the Souls series.

That seems to be addressed here.

I imagine we'll see magic in some form or another. Maybe alchemy or something?

Well said and I understand your opinion here. But 'according to' his still hearsay. Also, asset re-usage to the extreme here though from what I'm witnessing.

20-08-2014 6:07pm

Otacon wrote: »

Outside of the name, can you characterise what you think a Souls game is? What attributes should a Souls game have?

Your post is irrelevant; This is not being marketed as souls game, so it's not a souls game. Ask the developers.

tok9 wrote: »

No it's not being marketed as a Souls game but it's from the same developer.

I don't really understand the issue?

Bloodborne (From Software / Sony)

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