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George Floyd dies after police knelt on his neck (MOD NOTE IN POST #1)

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    #32
    MeMen2_MoRi_
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    Nozebleed wrote: »
    there no intent to kill the man. in fairness. its accidental..they are trying to restrain the man,heavy handed..but murderous intent? no..

    Murderous intent..

    Like say having a man handcuffed face down on the ground with 4 cops to help subdue him if he tries to resist/cause problems.. all the while one has his knee placed on the guys neck for at least 3 minutes while there zero words or movement for the handcuffed guy and the only thing you're being bothered about is pulling your pepper spray out on people who are telling you, you are killing him..

    Once a suspect is handcuffed, their treat level decreases massively, he was handcuffed the whole length of the video, yet he still had a knee placed on his neck.

    The sooner a cop gets done for murder in one of these cases the better I think the public will be going forward..


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    #33
    Gatling
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    Another senseless murder of a black man by white cops ,

    Kneeling one someone's neck while lying flat on the ground for ten minutes isn't justified in any way he was under control but yet we watch as he dies in front of out eyes ,how many times does this need to happen before America wakes up .

    It's sick and unjust
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    #34
    ELM327
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    FVP3 wrote: »
    Do people regularly watch American news on here all the time? I wouldn't recommend it, that country is in the middle of an intergenerational culture war and picking either side is just going to enrage you.
    I generally watch nbc nightly news and something from the right to balance.


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    #35
    ohnonotgmail
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    osarusan wrote: »
    Have you a link for that?

    you mentioned it, i assume you had already seen it,


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    #36
    KKkitty
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    This is why they kneel. Cops in America are a law onto themselves. Thankfully these so called police officers were fired but I'm afraid they'll be let away with it somehow. Between this and the Christian Cooper case that went viral the other day the treatment of Black men in the US is disgusting. When will it ever change?


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    #37
    MeMen2_MoRi_
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    osarusan wrote: »
    We've already seen fakes of one of the McMichaels attending a KKK rally in the other thread. Very easy to fake stuff.


    A google image search for 'make whites great again cap' only shows up that supposed image of the cop and nothing else.

    Can you delete the quote, don't want it to be a discussion. My bad should of image searched before sharing.


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    #38
    Mad_maxx
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    anyone see that video doing the rounds of the female in central park NYC who was asked to put her dog back on its lead by a man , the rules state dogs must be on a lead in this part of central park

    anyway she takes offense and then proceeds to phone the police and tell them " an african american man has threatened me and i think hes going to kill me "

    worse still she even told the guy she was going to tell the cops that very thing , the guy remained calm and polite to an incredible degree

    what a vile witch ?


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    #39
    seamus
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    KKkitty wrote: »
    This is why they kneel. Cops in America are a law onto themselves. Thankfully these so called police officers were fired but I'm afraid they'll be let away with it somehow. Between this and the Christian Cooper case that went viral the other day the treatment of Black men in the US is disgusting. When will it ever change?
    After the outright racist groups like the KKK were forced underground by the mid-1900s, there were claims made that these groups had resolved between themselves to infiltrate the defence forces by pushing their kids into police and military service.

    Especially with America's cult of military worship, white America considered this to be little more than a conspiracy theory; pockets of alleged racism in the cops were just that - niches of backwards racists.

    The proliferation of objective evidence like this has now shown that even if racist groups aren't in control of the defence forces, they seem to have joined in sufficient numbers to have impacted the attitudes of police across the US. There's little doubt now that racism doesn't exist in small pockets of US police forces, or corrupt little enclaves. It's endemic, and exists in every city.


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    #40
    All that fandango
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    Hope its ok to ask this here, dont want to start a new thread...Why is race still such a divisive issue in the States? Black Americans went through a horrid time until they got equality in the 50s/60s, yet it seems they are still as persecuted now as back they were back then?


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    #41
    ohnonotgmail
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    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    anyone see that video doing the rounds of the female in central park NYC who was asked to put her dog back on its lead by a man , the rules state dogs must be on a lead in this part of central park

    anyway she takes offense and then proceeds to phone the police and tell them " an african american man has threatened me and i think hes going to kill me "

    worse still she even told the guy she was going to tell the cops that very thing , the guy remained calm and polite to an incredible degree

    what a vile witch ?

    she was suspended by her employer apparently


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    #42
    ohnonotgmail
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    All that fandango wrote: »
    Hope its ok to ask this here, dont want to start a new thread...Why is race still such a divisive issue in the States? Black Americans went through a horrid time until they got equality in the 50s/60s, yet it seems they are still as persecuted now as back they were back then?

    given people civil rights does not stop people from being racist.


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    #43
    CrankyHaus
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    Geuze wrote: »
    I'm always amazed that staff in the USA can be fired so quickly.

    I assume that can't happen here.


    God no, not remotely. In general it's a positive thing for employment rights here but for Gardaí it was close to immunity for wrongdoing, at least until Commisioner Harris began to introduce some semblance of professional accountability.



    Worth noting that he faced some resistance for forcing a trainee Garda to resign for participating in a porno video in uniform having sex on a patrol car. In doing so he overruled the disciplinary inquiry which recommended fining the Garda a couple of weeks wages, which indicates the value previously placed on professional conduct within the force.



    A good example of Garda misconduct was the Garda shooting of John Carthy in Abbeylara, where mere attempts at external investigation, with no disciplinary action or dismissal, were repeatedly undermined.

    For example when the Irish Government attempted to form an Oireachtas subcommittee merely to investigate the Gardaí took them to Court to declare the subcommittee unconstitutional.
    The GRA supported the Gardai involved throughout and criticised the subsequent Barr Tribunal.
    Garda Management made a point of promoting the negotiator to Superintendent 6 weeks before the Barr Tribunal Report as a symbolic F-you.
    The Commissioner made a point of not apologising to the family until pressure from Mr Carthy's sister.


    The Garda Siochána Ombudsman Commission that was subsequently formed was bugged by electronic surveillance, that it became aware of after a Senior Garda let slip that he knew the contents of a secret GSOC report. A UK counter-surveillance firm uncovered evidence of the surveillance. This is believed to have been linked to GSOC's investigation of the Garda Handling of Kieran Boylan, a drug-runner caught with €1.7M of drugs while on bail for a previous €750,000 haul, who had the case against him withdrawn twice and whom Gardai assisted in obtaining a haulage license. The judicial inquiry of the bugging was a whitewash. The GSOC investigation of the Boylan case was fatally undermined by Gardai refusing to cooperate with it. The AGSI and GRA called on the head of GSOC to resign, which he subsequently did; indicating that when GSOC clashed with the Gardai, the Gardai won.



    However many people in this country would rather obsess over the minutiae of police actions in another country 3,000 miles away than pay attention to events here in Ireland.


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    #44
    RWCNT
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    she was suspended by her employer apparently

    She should also be charged with wasting police time/making a false report if there's any legal mechanism to do so.

    This video is probably the worst of this kind I've ever seen. That poor, poor man - and the people who had to witness this. As someone said earlier in the thread, the thought of watching this and not being able to intervene without risking your own life is harrowing. I can't even begin to imagine feeling so powerless... "Land of the free" my arse.


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    #45
    ohnonotgmail
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    RWCNT wrote: »
    She should also be charged with wasting police time/making a false report if there's any legal mechanism to do so.

    This video is probably the worst of this kind I've ever seen. That poor, poor man - and the people who had to witness this. As someone said earlier in the thread, the thought of watching this and not being able to intervene without risking your own life is harrowing. I can't even begin to imagine feeling so powerless... "Land of the free" my arse.

    there is certainly a legal mechanism for charging her with wasting police time. the police did come out but she had already left. the question is whether the will exists to do it.


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    #46
    seamus
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    All that fandango wrote: »
    Hope its ok to ask this here, dont want to start a new thread...Why is race still such a divisive issue in the States? Black Americans went through a horrid time until they got equality in the 50s/60s, yet it seems they are still as persecuted now as back they were back then?
    Legal recognition is the first step towards ending bigotry, not the last. Same reason why homophobia in Ireland didn't end in 1994 and sexism and racism didn't evaporate when the equal status act came in, in 1999.

    Race relations are obviously a very deep issue in the US. It goes back through generations of slavery. White Americans are on average wealthier and better educated than black Americans.

    Part of this is rooted in the fact that white families were built on black slavery. But even after the end of slavery, black people were denied rights that were afforded everyone else - even immigrants. Namely the right to run businesses, earn fair wages, own property and attend education. All things that are essential if your children, grandchildren and their ancestors are to have a hope of being equals.

    This divide isn't something that goes away when you provide equal rights. American cultural strongly clings to the fallacy that being poor or wealthy is a choice that someone makes, and that hard work will make you successful.
    As a result, no attempt has been made to help poor Americans - of which blacks make up a huge proportion - and so they remain on the wrong side of wealth, the wrong side of education, and the wrong side of the law.

    There is then a complex intermix of stereotyping and media scaremongering and systemic abuses that coalesce to ensure that poor people stay poor, wealthy people remain afraid of them, and the organs of the state protect the wealthy from the poor. Black people aren't just fighting generations of poverty, they're also fighting generations of racism and stereotyping that have been passed onto the modern descendants of slaveowners and european immigrants.


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    #47
    Gatling
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    CrankyHaus wrote: »

    However many people in this country would rather obsess over the minutiae of police actions in another country 3,000 miles away than pay attention to events here in Ireland.

    Wasn't there threads discussing it at the time ,abbylara 10+ years later
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    #48
    J. Marston
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    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    anyone see that video doing the rounds of the female in central park NYC who was asked to put her dog back on its lead by a man , the rules state dogs must be on a lead in this part of central park

    anyway she takes offense and then proceeds to phone the police and tell them " an african american man has threatened me and i think hes going to kill me "

    worse still she even told the guy she was going to tell the cops that very thing , the guy remained calm and polite to an incredible degree

    what a vile witch ?

    She is a racist and it's a horrible thing to do to someone.

    But (hear me out)...

    This is the version of the event, from the man involved...

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    "If you're going to do what you want, I'm going to do what I want and you're not going to like it. Come here, puppy."

    Her response was disproportionate but if a stranger says something like that to me, I'm on the defensive immediately and thinking this person is a weirdo or dangerous.


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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    she was suspended by her employer apparently

    and since been fired. Rightfully so too.


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    #50
    StinkyMunkey
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    Nozebleed wrote: »
    there no intent to kill the man. in fairness. its accidental..they are trying to restrain the man,heavy handed..but murderous intent? no..

    A 14/15 stone man kneeling on your neck, what could go wrong........!

    I'd usually be first to give the benefit of doubt to the police, but this is at best a total disregard for someone's safety. The officer is casually kneeling on the guys neck as if it's nothing.

    I challenge anyone one who says this wasn't man slaughter at the very least to have a 14/15 stone person kneel on their necks - no I didn't think so.


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    #51
    CrankyHaus
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    J. Marston wrote: »
    Her response was disproportionate but if a stranger says something like that to me, I'm on the defensive immediately and thinking this person is a weirdo or dangerous.


    By giving your dog treats?


    Your man seems to have handled a tense situation a little oddly, but what do you expect from a middle-aged bird watcher?
    It takes all sort.



    I'm not mad about piling onto your one, or doxxing her, or taking pleasure in her life being destroyed, but I'm happy that that gentleman didn't have his life destroyed by her.


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    Going by all reports, i hope the police involved feel the full extent of the law for this. Disgraceful.


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    #53
    two wheels good
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    i think you missed the sarcasm in the post
    Not the first time either. Better get my detector checked.


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    #54
    ohnonotgmail
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    two wheels good wrote: »
    Not the first time either. Better get my detector checked.

    given some of the posts on boards.ie it can be extremely difficult to tell the difference


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    #55
    5555555555
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    Mad_maxx wrote: »
    anyone see that video doing the rounds of the female in central park NYC who was asked to put her dog back on its lead by a man , the rules state dogs must be on a lead in this part of central park

    anyway she takes offense and then proceeds to phone the police and tell them " an african american man has threatened me and i think hes going to kill me "

    worse still she even told the guy she was going to tell the cops that very thing , the guy remained calm and polite to an incredible degree

    what a vile witch ?

    Another racist ''progressive'


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    #56
    Mad_maxx
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    she was suspended by her employer apparently

    she could have gotten the guy killed


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    #57
    Mad_maxx
    Registered Users Posts: 13,505 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    CrankyHaus wrote: »
    God no, not remotely. In general it's a positive thing for employment rights here but for Gardaí it was close to immunity for wrongdoing, at least until Commisioner Harris began to introduce some semblance of professional accountability.



    Worth noting that he faced some resistance for forcing a trainee Garda to resign for participating in a porno video in uniform having sex on a patrol car. In doing so he overruled the disciplinary inquiry which recommended fining the Garda a couple of weeks wages, which indicates the value previously placed on professional conduct within the force.



    A good example of Garda misconduct was the Garda shooting of John Carthy in Abbeylara, where mere attempts at external investigation, with no disciplinary action or dismissal, were repeatedly undermined.

    For example when the Irish Government attempted to form an Oireachtas subcommittee merely to investigate the Gardaí took them to Court to declare the subcommittee unconstitutional.
    The GRA supported the Gardai involved throughout and criticised the subsequent Barr Tribunal.
    Garda Management made a point of promoting the negotiator to Superintendent 6 weeks before the Barr Tribunal Report as a symbolic F-you.
    The Commissioner made a point of not apologising to the family until pressure from Mr Carthy's sister.


    The Garda Siochána Ombudsman Commission that was subsequently formed was bugged by electronic surveillance, that it became aware of after a Senior Garda let slip that he knew the contents of a secret GSOC report. A UK counter-surveillance firm uncovered evidence of the surveillance. This is believed to have been linked to GSOC's investigation of the Garda Handling of Kieran Boylan, a drug-runner caught with €1.7M of drugs while on bail for a previous €750,000 haul, who had the case against him withdrawn twice and whom Gardai assisted in obtaining a haulage license. The judicial inquiry of the bugging was a whitewash. The GSOC investigation of the Boylan case was fatally undermined by Gardai refusing to cooperate with it. The AGSI and GRA called on the head of GSOC to resign, which he subsequently did; indicating that when GSOC clashed with the Gardai, the Gardai won.



    However many people in this country would rather obsess over the minutiae of police actions in another country 3,000 miles away than pay attention to events here in Ireland.

    we have always held our police force to a very low standard in this country , add to that the media has shown far too much deference towards them


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    #58
    Ballso
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    Surely it's time for black America to arm itself and kick off a PIRA style campaign against legitimate law enforcement targets


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    #59
    degsie
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    Ballso wrote: »
    Surely it's time for black America to arm itself and kick off a PIRA style campaign against legitimate law enforcement targets

    Fantastic idea, why don't you start a Facebook campaign. Jesus wept.


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    #60
    friendlyfun
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    Billy Mays wrote: »
    I'm gonna have to know this guy Floyd's criminal history before I decide whether the cop should be charged with his death or should walk away scott free icon14.png


    That has no bearing on this situation, or any situation. You can't just murder someone if they are not posing a threat. This is excessive use of force for a guy being arrested for a non violent crime.


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    #61
    friendlyfun
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    A capital punishment carried out without a jury


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