George Floyd dies after police knelt on his neck (MOD NOTE IN POST #1)

Das Reich

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

Forgery was the report put in too the police from a store nearby..

Also, uhmm WHAT? What has Koreans got to do with this?

Better if they not pass their angery to another minority as it will not end up good.

ohnonotgmail

Das Reich wrote: »

Better if they not pass their angery to another minority as it will not end up good.

pass their what?

Das Reich

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

Would it matter a lot and he deserved to die if it was his 1000th time doing it?

Let's says that doing often increases the chances of happening this thing, even if it was not right.

MeMen2_MoRi_

Das Reich wrote: »

Better if they not pass their angery to another minority as it will not end up good.

Ohhhh okay, you're being mindful of other minorities but A okay for a black man to suffer?

MeMen2_MoRi_

Das Reich wrote: »

Let's says that doing often increases the chances of happening this thing, even if it was not right.

So justified judge jury and executioner the more times a forgery is done??? Here was me thinking we lived by a thing called rule of law, I'm not aware of anything that resembles your thinking being the law and you can be put to death by a police officer for having too many forgeries on your record.

pjohnson

ELM327 wrote: »

It distracts from a real cause (the murder of an innocent man) and colors (pardon the pun) the minority involved, from innocent victims to thugs and scumbags

Suprised you call him innocent with your conduct in the other racial based thread.

MeMen2_MoRi_

Das Reich wrote: »

Let's says that doing often increases the chances of happening this thing, even if it was not right.

Also you should watch a movie called "Catch me if you can" fantastic movie about a forger of cheques.. who would subsequently go onto work for the US government..

In your opinion, he should of been killed?

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0264464/

ELM327

pjohnson wrote: »

Suprised you call him innocent with your conduct in the other racial based thread.

It's interesting the perspective you get if you review the threads at face value and exclude race.


This thread -> man murdered by police
The other thread -> man commits criminal trespass and resists arrest

pjohnson

ELM327 wrote: »

It's interesting the perspective you get if you review the threads at face value and exclude race.


This thread -> man murdered by police
The other thread -> man commits criminal trespass and resists arrest

Lol. "Resists arrest". Theres much more than race being excluded and some stuff added to suit there haha.

ELM327

pjohnson wrote: »

Lol. "Resists arrest". Theres much more than race being excluded and some stuff added to suit there haha.

No, just an objective description of the situations.
Luckily both were videoed.

Guy:Incognito

ELM327 wrote: »

It's interesting the perspective you get if you review the threads at face value and exclude race.


This thread -> man murdered by police
The other thread -> man commits criminal trespass and resists arrest

I like how you say "resists arrest" to muddy the waters. It was 3 guys (not police) in 2 cars. At least 2 of whom had guns, chasing someone they hadn't seen do anything up and down a road for 5 minutes before killing him.

Guy:Incognito

ELM327 wrote: »

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Luckily both were videoed.

Yeah, youd think that but yet , there you are, over and over justifying someone being killed based on the fact that they went on to a building site for a couple of minutes and took nothing. Which other people had also done.

wotzgoingon

It's a country where money speaks. The family should setup ago fund me page so they can hire a decent lawyer and convict the cop.

Waiting for the police to investigate one of their own will not bring justice.

KiKi III

KiKi III wrote: »

At least this way he might get justice.

Might.

There'll be no justice for him,

Like everyone else the police kill over there,

america with all.its guns,shouldnt have a policeforce killing people out in the open,with no pushback or conseqences

Gatling

ELM327 wrote: »

This thread -> man murdered by police
The other thread -> man commits criminal trespass and resists arrest

That's not true at all .

Man walked through unsecured property for 3 minutes before being chased down by several armed white men and vehicles before being shot 3 times point blank range with a shot gun.

And yes both are race related

pjohnson

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Yeah, youd think that but yet , there you are, over and over justifying someone being killed based on the fact that they went on to a building site for a couple of minutes and took nothing. Which other people had also done.

Video without facts is ridiculous but allows a narrative to be spun to suit.

ELM327

Gatling wrote: »

That's not true at all .

Man walked through unsecured property for 3 minutes before being chased down by several armed white men and vehicles before being shot 3 times point blank range with a shot gun.

And yes both are race related

They are race related if you choose to add that context.
If you look at what happened there is no direct information beyond reasonable doubt that it is race related.

pjohnson

ELM327 wrote: »

They are race related if you choose to add that context.
If you look at what happened there is no direct information beyond reasonable doubt that it is race related.

Except your nonsense summation isnt a correct summation at all.

seamus

Das Reich wrote: »

Let's says that doing often increases the chances of happening this thing, even if it was not right.

The core point here is that even if this man had just blown up a creche filled with children, police officers do not and must not have the right to kill someone unless they are acting to protect against an imminent or immediate threat to life.

A man lying on the ground with his hands cuffed behind his back is not a threat.

The man's crime is irrelevant, the number of arrests is irrelevant. This should never happen during any arrest.

Once the cops get any sort of a pass for killing someone who has been detained, no matter what their crime is, you're opening the door for all sorts of abuses.

"Maybe if he hadn't committed a crime, this wouldn't have happened", is victim blaming. Exactly the same as, "She wouldn't have been raped if she wasn't wearing such a short skirt".

ELM327

seamus wrote: »

The core point here is that even if this man had just blown up a creche filled with children, police officers do not and must not have the right to kill someone unless they are acting to protect against an imminent or immediate threat to life.

A man lying on the ground with his hands cuffed behind his back is not a threat.

The man's crime is irrelevant, the number of arrests is irrelevant. This should never happen during any arrest.

Once the cops get any sort of a pass for killing someone who has been detained, no matter what their crime is, you're opening the door for all sorts of abuses.

"Maybe if he hadn't committed a crime, this wouldn't have happened", is victim blaming. Exactly the same as, "She wouldn't have been raped if she wasn't wearing such a short skirt".

Except wearing a short skirt is not a crime.

MeMen2_MoRi_

ELM327 wrote: »

Except wearing a short skirt is not a crime.

That's not the point.

Mitch Connor

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

That's not the point.

Maybe it is - it would imply that the poster feels if you commit a crime, any crime, or have done something (such as being black) that in the eyes of an armed person mean you may have commited a crime, an immediate death sentence is a price you should be willing to pay.

ELM327

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

That's not the point.

It absolutely is.


You can't "victim blame" if the blamee is a criminal already.

ohnonotgmail

ELM327 wrote: »

It absolutely is.


You can't "victim blame" if the blamee is a criminal already.

criminals have rights to, like the right not to be killed. though i'm sure the thought of criminals having any rights at all causes you actual physical pain.

seamus

ELM327 wrote: »

Except wearing a short skirt is not a crime.

So you're saying that someone who is accused of any crime, should reasonably expect they could be killed while being arrested? And that's kind of OK, because, "crime".

You do realise what kind of unchecked power that puts into the hands of police forces?

If you attribute even a percentage of blame to the person being arrested, then you are giving cops a free pass to carry out a certain level of executions on the spot.

If I don't support the state carrying out executions, I cannot condone the cops doing the same thing at any level.

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The Abbeylara thing was brought up in a previous post. While it seems crazy that shooting an armed man approaching a Garda should be the subject of any debate, that's *exactly* the level of scrutiny that all Garda/Police shootings should be subject to.

A police officer killing a citizen is automatically a breach of the most fundamental purpose of their role. It should be assumed to be a failure in policing until is it proven that it was necessary and unavoidable.

silverharp

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

criminals have rights to, like the right not to be killed. though i'm sure the thought of criminals having any rights at all causes you actual physical pain.

it depends, if they resist arrest , police can shoot them all day long as far as I am concerned. If they comply they should be treated well

Gatling

ELM327 wrote: »

They are race related if you choose to add that context.
If you look at what happened there is no direct information beyond reasonable doubt that it is race related.

if you have issues with race you would say exactly that


Beyond reasonable doubt too much time watching TV shows ?

Blackman gets chased and executed by white men in a white neighborhood ,
White cop murders black man by kneeling on his neck for 10 minutes while subdued and not resisting arrest .
Would the cop do the same to a White person .

No

pjohnson

ELM327 wrote: »

It absolutely is.


You can't "victim blame" if the blamee is a criminal already.

So if a female who commited a theft 5 years was to be raped you would be fine blaming her for wearing a short skirt since she was a criminal already so deserved whatever she got?

ohnonotgmail

silverharp wrote: »

it depends, if they resist arrest , police can shoot them all day long as far as I am concerned. If they comply they should be treated well

ah, another one with Judge Dredd fantasies. how pathetic.

KiKi III

silverharp wrote: »

it depends, if they resist arrest , police can shoot them all day long as far as I am concerned. If they comply they should be treated well

That is so messed up. A suspect in a non-violent crime can be shot dead if they resist arrest?

Prevalent attitude in the States though, apparently.