Derek Chauvin murder trial (George Floyd)

Itssoeasy · 29-03-2021 11:06pm

DerekC16 wrote: »

What's the racial make up of the jury?

According to journalist who was on bbc radio 4 a bit ago, it’s a diverse one with it split 50-50 between whites and non whites.

I know it’s a bit sterile but at the end of the day the prosecutions job is to convince the jury beyond a reasonable doubt that the former police officer in question is guilty of the charges against him. And the defence is there to provide the doubt. I mean the OJ trail jurors said after the fact that prosecution didn’t prove beyond a doubt that he did it even if they may have felt he was guilty.

KaneToad · 29-03-2021 11:06pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I don't see how they can go with murder on it, but my god it will not be well received by the public.

Im personally predicting manslaughter unless they can truly hammer home the toxicology report evidence. The public won't like it but its the right thing to do, 8-10 years.

I know it varies by jurisdiction in the US. But, in the main, murder involves intent to kill. I can't see how it could be argued that this cop intended to kill George Floyd.

I'd agree with the above.

breezy1985 · 29-03-2021 11:07pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I hope for the sake of innocent people and business owners in cities across America he is sent down

I agree. You dont want a dodgy cop going free to harass more innocent people or business owners

UrbanFret · 29-03-2021 11:08pm

If OJ walked theres no reason This guy couldn't too.

MrStuffins · 29-03-2021 11:08pm

Curse These Metal Hands wrote: »

And manslaughter. The lesser charge...

Yup.

My point is, it doesn't matter if he can cough syrup in his system. He died by human hand.

Those playing the "he was a drug-fueled criminal" are playing games. Most likely to be self-identified "Patriots" or Trump supporters or the like. It's not a coincidence.

We all know the ones. Very likely to call someone "woke"

KaneToad · 29-03-2021 11:11pm

Lundstram wrote: »

Like a few posters said above, the cop will most likely serve big time in order to keep the peace, there will be uproar if he walks free.

The worst possible outcome is a verdict not based on the evidence. I hope this is not the case.

Curse These Metal Hands · 29-03-2021 11:12pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

Yup.

My point is, it doesn't matter if he can cough syrup in his system. He died by human hand.

Those playing the "he was a drug-fueled criminal" are playing games. Most likely to be "Patriots" or Trump supporters or the like. It's not a coincidence.

We all know the ones. Very likely to call someone "woke"

Sorry I misread your opening post.

Yeah. I just worry that there's a certain level of public perception that the murder conviction is in the bag, my point is that the defence has a decent case for manslaughter. Will the American public accept a manslaughter conviction should it come to pass I wonder?

Lundstram · 29-03-2021 11:12pm

KaneToad wrote: »

The worst possible outcome is a verdict not based on the evidence. I hope this is not the case.

True. Emotions cannot come into it.

IMO, he didn't intend to kill him but did heavily contribute to his death. 10 years sounds about right.

jam_mac_jam · 29-03-2021 11:12pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

Yup.

My point is, it doesn't matter if he can cough syrup in his system. He died by human hand.

Those playing the "he was a drug-fueled criminal" are playing games. Most likely to be self-identified "Patriots" or Trump supporters or the like. It's not a coincidence.

We all know the ones. Very likely to call someone "woke"

Yeah. Even if he was on loads of drugs it's a hell of a coincidence that he overdoses while a man has a knee on his neck.

And if he did overdose should he not have had medical help instead of a man keeping a knee on his neck. Are you not then guilty of neglect causing death?

I would be very surprised if he didn't kill him.

Itssoeasy · 29-03-2021 11:13pm

KaneToad wrote: »

The worst possible outcome is a verdict not based on the evidence. I hope this is not the case.

It’d be a bad step alright.

Witcher · 29-03-2021 11:14pm

He'll probably get convicted on the softest charge, serve 1-2 years if even and be let out on appeal after everyone's moved onto the next outrage.

MrStuffins · 29-03-2021 11:19pm

Witcher wrote: »

He'll probably get convicted on the softest charge, serve 1-2 years if even and be let out on appeal after everyone's moved onto the next outrage.

In your opinion, do you think a 24 month sentence is appropriate for killing someone?

kildare lad · 29-03-2021 11:26pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

In your opinion, do you think a 24 month sentence is appropriate for killing someone?

Plenty of judges in Ireland do , when it comes to driving related deaths

wicklowstevo · 29-03-2021 11:27pm

breezy1985 wrote: »

I agree. You dont want a dodgy cop going free to harass more innocent people or business owners

regardless of the outcome I doubt he had a future in law enforcement to be fair

KB1980 · 29-03-2021 11:34pm

This police officer should be behind bars, he knew exactly what he was doing. Unbelievable that he still had his knee on George's neck even after the paramedics arrived!!!!! And I do not believe for one second that 4 police officers couldn't put George in the back of the police car....an example of an broken police system.

MrStuffins · 29-03-2021 11:43pm

kildare lad wrote: »

Plenty of judges in Ireland do , when it comes to driving related deaths

And you agree with them?

kildare lad · 29-03-2021 11:51pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

And you agree with them?

No I don't, sentences here are far to lenient in some cases

MrStuffins · 30-03-2021 12:03am

kildare lad wrote: »

No I don't, sentences here are far to lenient in some cases

Grand. So this guy shouldn't get a sentence as lenient either

30-03-2021 2:00am

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

Can you imagine the craic if he gets off.

There will be mayhem no matter what the result, if he gets off it will be a raging riot/looting if he gets convicted it will start as a celebration turning into a riot/looting.

Atlantic Dawn · 30-03-2021 2:07am

What I really can't understand is the timing of the City of Minneapolis to pay $27 million in compensation to his family prior to the court case. Surely this puts pressure on jurors and should have happened after the court case?

punisher5112 · 30-03-2021 3:07am

Anyone ever check up on Floyd's victims of his crimes?

punisher5112 · 30-03-2021 3:09am

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

What I really can't understand is the timing of the City of Minneapolis to pay $27 million in compensation to his family prior to the court case. Surely this puts pressure on jurors and should have happened after the court case?

It's pure madness.....

People actually wronged, need full time care that are still alive wouldn't get that for an actual proper case of negligence.....

Oranage2 · 30-03-2021 3:14am

Really hope the cop goes down, police in America are out of control towards African Americans and hopefully this is a start to making a mends between law enforcement and the African American community.

Character Building · 30-03-2021 3:32am

He deserves some sort of sentence but I think proving murderous intent on the part of Chauvin will be difficult. I think the manslaughter charge is possible, but it's too early to know what sort of case the defense might be able to raise until we see the unseen video evidence that displays events leading up to the video that we have all seen. The conflicting expert medical evidence that the defence is submitting which claims that Chauvin's knee did not cause any bruising or block Floyd's airwaves will also further muddy the waters and may be enough to turn that 1 necessary juror.

This case is no slam dunk. I think anything less than Chauvin going down on the most serious charge will see looting and riots.

CtevenSrowder · 30-03-2021 7:18am

MrStuffins wrote: »

Yup.

My point is, it doesn't matter if he can cough syrup in his system. He died by human hand.

Those playing the "he was a drug-fueled criminal" are playing games. Most likely to be self-identified "Patriots" or Trump supporters or the like. It's not a coincidence.

We all know the ones. Very likely to call someone "woke"

The only person whose mentioned Trump and woke is you. Let it go, Trump is no longer the president. Free your mind of the man.

Mellor · 30-03-2021 7:48am

A lot of the comments seem a bit oblivious to what he's actually charged with.

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

Oh, I think he will be done for the manslaughter charge then. And surprised he didn't try take a plea bargain for that.

Taking a plea is not up to him. He was willing to take a pleas.
Attorney General said no. It's going to court because they are going for the murder charge.
The manslaughter charge is an absolute lock imo.
Murder 3 is likey imo. Murder 2 is less likely.

Character Building wrote: »

He deserves some sort of sentence but I think proving murderous intent on the part of Chauvin will be difficult.

Obviously with multiple around around and being filmed he didn't have murderous intent. which is irrelevant.
None of the charges require murderous intent. They aren't trying to prove that

The conflicting expert medical evidence that the defence is submitting which claims that Chauvin's knee did not cause any bruising or block Floyd's airwaves will also further muddy the waters and may be enough to turn that 1 necessary juror.

You don't need to cause bruising to choke somebody. Nor to you need to close airways.
He'll need far more than 1 juror.

Fandymo · 30-03-2021 8:12am

retro:electro wrote: »

Those things didn’t kill him in that moment though. The person kneeling on his neck did. But for the fact that a police officer happened to be kneeling on his neck for 9 minutes, slowly cutting off his oxygen supply to the degree that he could no longer breathe, he would not have died.

Floyd was claiming he could not breath before he was brought to the ground. He first said it as they tried to put him into the car. "While standing outside the car, Mr. Floyd began saying and repeating that he could not breathe,"

ThewhiteJesus · 30-03-2021 8:22am

The outcome of this trial won’t change a thing in America, generally there is no smoke without fire.

walshb · 30-03-2021 8:32am

kildare lad wrote: »

I think there was more to it than it being about race. I think they knew each other previously as they worked at the same club so there could be bad blood there . In the cops camera everything was going along normally till he started freaking out when they tried to put him in the squad car . So for everyone thinking he just arrested him and started kneeling on his neck it didn't just happen like that . I'm not trying to justify what the cop done but I don't think the cop will get done for murder , as murder has to be premeditated. I still think he'll get locked up though .

My post was not in any way related to race.

Just from looking at the video, Chauvin was looking like he was showing his authority and power to the onlookers. He was telling them “don’t dare tell me how to do my job.”

In a weird way, his actions may have been exacerbated and spurred on by people telling him to stop. It riled him, and made him more determined not to comply..

Had there been no onlookers “berating”him, maybe Floyd would be alive. Just a thought.

Chauvin was “sticking” it to the onlookers as much as he was to George..

gladerunner · 30-03-2021 8:54am

Im not normally shocked by the content on boards.ie, but to see this man dying on the pavement being described as an unfortunate incident is beyond the realms of possibility for me. Those 9 mins seemed to go on forever, Chavin had ample opportunity to release the pressure and calm the situation down, isnt that what cops are supposed to be trained for ! Even the cop that tried to intervene was pushed to the side.

Somehow a life can be devalued and extinguished, and because it happens in America, its seems as part of the game over there.
And so what if he was a criminal, does that mean we should allow cops to be murder people they dont like ? Unbelievable.

osarusan · 30-03-2021 9:26am

Mellor wrote: »

A lot of the comments seem a bit oblivious to what he's actually charged with.

Agreed on this. Or at least, people hear 'murder' and think intent to kill has to be proven, whereas it doesn't with these charges.

I also agree that the 3rd degree charge is the most likely. I can see the defence making an argument that he didn't intend to harm, but I cannot see how they make a defence against the argument that putting your knee on a man's neck and leaving it there for 9 minutes while he tells you he can't breathe before losing consciousness is depraved indifference.

paw patrol · 30-03-2021 9:26am

Oranage2 wrote: »

Really hope the cop goes down, police in America are out of control towards African Americans and hopefully this is a start to making a mends between law enforcement and the African American community.

stats and studies say otherwise.

Aido101111 · 30-03-2021 9:27am

It was definitely murder, he had time as well as a group of people pleading with him just to get off his neck. George said "I can't breathe" over 20 times. If anyone thinks this is not murder then I've lost faith in humanity!

paw patrol · 30-03-2021 9:32am

People are getting upset over the 9min video but ignore the entire video of the arrest.
He was resisting arrest and was complaining he couldn't breath the entire time when he clearly could - cos he was resisting getting into the car.

I think it hinges on whether the pinning is police training or not, if so and the state of Floyds health/toxicology , he should go free. If not then a conviction is appropriate.

The notion that he should be convicted (as people here suggest) to appease the mob is abhorrent. Rioters should be dealt with.

MrStuffins · 30-03-2021 9:42am

paw patrol wrote: »

People are getting upset over the 9min video but ignore the entire video of the arrest.

The 9 min video is the upsetting part!

KaneToad · 30-03-2021 9:57am

Aido101111 wrote: »

It was definitely murder, he had time as well as a group of people pleading with him just to get off his neck. George said "I can't breathe" over 20 times. If anyone thinks this is not murder then I've lost faith in humanity!

Would you not wait to hear all the evidence first?

Aido101111 · 30-03-2021 10:04am

KaneToad wrote: »

Would you not wait to hear all the evidence first?

What more evidence would you need to hear? It was all captured clearly on video!

paw patrol · 30-03-2021 10:05am

MrStuffins wrote: »

The 9 min video is the upsetting part!

but it isn't the entire story.

V8 Interceptor · 30-03-2021 10:06am

Fandymo wrote: »

Floyd was claiming he could not breath.

He had the C19 virus.

MrStuffins · 30-03-2021 10:07am

paw patrol wrote: »

but it isn't the entire story.

What is not in doubt is that George Floyd died at the hand of that cop. It was homicide. You agree with this, correct?

ohnonotgmail · 30-03-2021 10:13am

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Thats what I think will happen, as I said an unfortunate accident while trying to restrain a drug crazed criminal resisting arrest.

continuing to keep your knee on somebodies neck after they tell you they can't breathe sure sounds accidental.

V8 Interceptor · 30-03-2021 10:17am

Chauvin can't get a fair trial. As soon as he's not given the chair they'll all kick off.

Orientals are getting beaten up left, right and center in the US. Its blacks who are beating on them but apparently its because of white supremacism.

MrStuffins · 30-03-2021 10:21am

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Chauvin can't get a fair trial. As soon as he's not given the chair they'll all kick off.

Orientals are getting beaten up left, right and center in the US. Its blacks who are beating on them but apparently its because of white supremacism.

Do you think that Chauvin is liable for the death of George Floyd?

30-03-2021 10:21am

V8 Interceptor wrote: »

Chauvin can't get a fair trial. As soon as he's not given the chair they'll all kick off.

Orientals are getting beaten up left, right and center in the US. Its blacks who are beating on them but apparently its because of white supremacism.

Get for a walk and go clear your moronic ramblings.

TomTomTim · 30-03-2021 10:24am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

continuing to keep your knee on somebodies neck after they tell you they can't breathe sure sounds accidental.

You're beyond naive. You'll find numerous videos online of people being arrested and them exaggerating the actions of the police: "The cuffs are too tight", "you're choking me"; or as we seen in Balbriggan, claims of racism simple because the police were arresting someone who committed a crime. Police would be well used to claims as such, made unjustly. It's very hard to treat the claims of criminals with good faith, when they usually don't believe in good faith.

KaneToad · 30-03-2021 10:24am

Aido101111 wrote: »

What more evidence would you need to hear? It was all captured clearly on video!

I wasn't there, I'm guessing you weren't there either. Why would you not want to hear the evidence from everyone who was there and were connected to the man's death? That evidence will be tested in a court, if its not strong enough it will not form part of jury decision.

Why are you rushing to decision without all the facts?? All facts considered and a decision made is the best outcome for everyone.

V8 Interceptor · 30-03-2021 10:24am

MrStuffins wrote: »

Do you think that Chauvin is liable for the death of George Floyd?

Yes

walshb · 30-03-2021 10:32am

TomTomTim wrote: »

You're beyond naive. You'll find numerous videos online of people being arrested and them exaggerating the actions of the police: "The cuffs are too tight", "you're choking me"; or as we seen in Balbriggan, claims of racism simple because the police were arresting someone who committed a crime. Police would be well used to claims as such, made unjustly. It's very hard to treat the claims of criminals with good faith, when they usually don't believe in good faith.

Very pertinent post, and will certainly lead to the defence using this...

KaneToad · 30-03-2021 10:33am

MrStuffins wrote: »

What is not in doubt is that George Floyd died at the hand of that cop. It was homicide. You agree with this, correct?

Of course there can be doubt. This is why we test the evidence (all the evidence) in the court.

We can't discount the possibility that something else was the reason for the man dying (however unlikely we currently think that is) until we hear all the evidence. I really don't understand the mindset that decisions are made before all facts are known.

This is not a pro-cop or an anti George Floyd stance. It's a pro justice system stance.

MrStuffins · 30-03-2021 10:36am

KaneToad wrote: »

Of course there can be doubt. This is why we test the evidence (all the evidence) in the court.

We can't discount the possibility that something else was the reason for the man dying (however unlikely we currently think that is) until we hear all the evidence. I really don't understand the mindset that decisions are made before all facts are known.

This is not a pro-cop or an anti George Floyd stance. It's a pro justice system stance.

I agree with you. This is what the trial is for. We'll hear all evidence.

The evidence i've seen so far includes two autopsies saying the cause of death was homicide, plus a video of him doing it. Pretty damning so far.

Murder? Perhaps, perhaps not. But if the trial finds that the cop was not responsible for his death i'll be very surprised.

Derek Chauvin murder trial (George Floyd)

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