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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,013 ✭✭✭Ole Rodrigo


    Lumen wrote: »
    Do you cook the spinach? What's your opinion on oxalic acid?

    No, raw leaves mixed with water and bananas. Sometimes with mint leaves.

    The idea with blending is that it does some of the work by breaking down the fibres completely and making nutrients more available during digestion. Cooking does this too but some nutrients are lost in the process. Eating the leaves raw requires a lot of chewing and some of it wont be digested completely. I couldn't say based on my experience if there are any benefits to blended vs cooked spinach, but the general wisdom is that raw is better.

    I don't think oxalic acid is a problem. It hinders absorption of calcium and iron in high quantities, but there are a lot of both in spinach and other leafy greens to compensate in that event. I suspect coffee would be a worse offender when it comes to minerals not being absorbed. From what I've learned I think it would be hard, all things being equal, to overdo it with greens in a diet. Any accumulation of alkaloids particular to one variety can be offset by switching around - spinach one week, kale the next and so on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,065 ✭✭✭j@utis


    interesting read on eating high fat diet: http://live.smashthefat.com/why-i-didnt-get-fat/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    j@utis wrote: »
    interesting read on eating high fat diet: http://live.smashthefat.com/why-i-didnt-get-fat/

    I have neglected this thread, been busy out catching my dinner. My consumption of meaty breakfast everyday was pretty much a self-experiment to see would I put on weight or feel worse. Quite the opposite happened.

    I've cut back a bit. It's only 2 poached eggs now and I alternate between 2 sausages and 2 bacon.

    Looking back on how I have been eating, what I'm doing is probably a combination of a few things. HFLC (but not strictly), Paleo (but not strictly), and Elimintation of Processed Food (but not strictly). Combined with a large reduction in "cardio" exercise.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,504 ✭✭✭✭DirkVoodoo


    So, they got to you too? You'd better run egg!

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,150 ✭✭✭kumate_champ07


    Ive ended up on a similar diet(permanent hopefully)

    cravings for sugar are a huge problem for me but have gone now since Ive cut it out, once a week I might indulge. Ive cut out wheat and bran and all bread except for spelt.

    so far no loss of performance, only loss has been bodyfat!

    I mostly eat in no particular order= peanutbutter,spelt bread, no added sugar jam, coconut flour,almonds, udos oil, eggs, beef, pork, avocadoes, protein(syntha6) shakes, dark chocolate 85%, mixed veg half cooked in butter+olive oil, cheese. I use fructose and dextrose in my hydration/recovery drink for long training sessions but that is quickly absorbed and doesnt spike my blood sugar. sugar does have its uses, but the less used the better


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    http://www.bikeradar.com/road/fitness/article/team-skys-training-diet-34905/

    Some of this concurs with what is being discussed in this thread. Importance of gut function, eating healthy (natural) fats, eating lots of vegetables and also carbs for recovery & racing.

    Broccoli seems to be a wonder food. I hope so, I eat tons of it.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,777 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl



    Both of these really deal more with the dangers of statins, which is a slightly different argument. Just because statins have potentially nasty side effects as a treatment for high cholesterol, and even that high cholesterol is less of a danger than it is purported to be, doesn't in any way suggest to me that a high fat low carb diet is clever. Seems like something of a straw man from this angle, though the book looks like an entertaining read none the less.

    FWIW, when I was into competitive martial arts and was striving to maximise my strength while controlling my weight, I found the Fighters Body to be a good read, with a regime that worked well for me at the time. Different sport, and probably not relevant, but there ya go. I'm still firmly in the 'calories in, calories out' camp.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    smacl wrote: »
    Both of these really deal more with the dangers of statins, which is a slightly different argument. Just because statins have potentially nasty side effects as a treatment for high cholesterol, and even that high cholesterol is less of a danger than it is purported to be, doesn't in any way suggest to me that a high fat low carb diet is clever. Seems like something of a straw man from this angle, though the book looks like an entertaining read none the less.

    The statin argument is a large part of the book. But he also addresses fat intake. For instance the French paradox (he extends it to switzerland and austria) as they have the highest saturated fat in take in Europe but the lowest rates of heart disease. But as per anti-fat argument correlation != causation.

    He also discusses the Japanese and their fat intake. They have a high carb intake in the form of rice but very low sugar intake. A low fat intake and very low heart disease rates, but their stroke rate was enormous. As saturated fat has increased in the Japanese diet since the 80s diet, stroke rates have fallen dramtically. But again correlation != causation.

    There are other dietary observations he makes. I can't remember them off the top of my head.

    IIRC, he actually doesn't draw any conclusions over sugar and carb intake and lays the blame of high rates of heart disease at stress. On a national scale patterns can bee seen where there is displacement and loss of social and family structures.

    He hypothesizes that in Western Scotland the high rate of heart disease it is due to the displacement of families from inner cities to planned towns in the 50's. In Finland the high rate is among Karelians displaced by a Russian land grab in the 40's. Also he contends that heart disease is lower among Japanese immigrants in America who preserve their Japanese culture than among those who don't irrespective of diet. The Aboriginies have the lowest total cholestorol in the world (by miles) and they have the highest heart disease. There are other examples. He also dismisses Ancel Keys and his followers for cherry picking data. He goes on to explain the effect of stress on cortisol and the HPA axis.

    While he does not propose a high fat diet (IIRC), he dismisses the idea that saturated fat is dangerous. This is important to know as question you are asked by anyone is "Are you not worried about your cholesterol?"

    Actually the epilogue alone is worth a read. Just for general advice on how to live your life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    smacl wrote: »
    I'm still firmly in the 'calories in, calories out' camp.
    I would have believed that until recently, though I started to doubt it about 1.5 years ago, when I observed my weight* and I couldn't strictly draw a correlation with food intake, output through exercise and weight. I did however notice easier weight maintenance and lower sugar cravings with an increase in nuts as a snack food irrespective of exercise. But I didn't quite understand this, as "nuts are fattening". I didn't look into it at the time, it was only in seeing Noakes' article that I investigated further.

    Also different food sources have hugely different effects insulin and leptin in the body and these hormones determine fat accumulation.

    *Actually I rarely ever weighed myself, I go by belt notch.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,013 ✭✭✭Ole Rodrigo


    I would have believed that until recently, though I started to doubt it about 1.5 years ago, when I observed my weight* and I couldn't strictly draw a correlation with food intake, output through exercise and weight. I did however notice easier weight maintenance and lower sugar cravings with an increase in nuts as a snack food irrespective of exercise. But I didn't quite understand this, as "nuts are fattening". I didn't look into it at the time, it was only in seeing Noakes' article that I investigated further.

    Also different food sources have hugely different effects insulin and leptin in the body and these hormones determine fat accumulation.

    *Actually I rarely ever weighed myself, I go by belt notch.

    This is even more important when it comes to losing weight. Rises in insulin levels interfere with the the ability to burn fat, so foods that register high on the GI scale are best avoided when losing weight. This is even the case with potatoes believe it or not. Nuts are high in calories although the natural fats leave you feeling fuller for longer.

    A calorie is a calorie - you canna change the laws of physics. Macro nutrients and their effect on body metabolism is another thing, and the two are easily confused.

    Just like me :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,831 ✭✭✭ROK ON


    I've been giving this lifestyle a reasonably good go over past few weeks (weekends excepted).

    In past week I am absolutely exhausted. I have a race tonight and feel shattered. Instead of training last night i went for a nap between 6 & 730pm then was in bed again at 1045pm.

    Diet has consisted of trout, smoked salmon, baby spinach, broccoli, lettuc, tomatoes, onions, eggs, bacon, chicken, nuts, bucket loads of fruit.

    Not sure is my tiredness related to knocking back on carbs and sugar but I am literally floored. I was nodding off on the bike commuting home last night.

    Unfun.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    ROK ON wrote: »
    Not sure is my tiredness related to knocking back on carbs and sugar but I am literally floored. I was nodding off on the bike commuting home last night.
    It may not suit you.

    I was very very strict on no carbs for the first while. And though I did feel different, I noticed vastly increased energy levels within 2 days. I was coming from a very low base. Carb hunger went after about 4 days. A feeling of increased wellness(for want of a better term) came on after about a week.

    I'm gonna go along with Tom and agree that carbs may be necessary after extended or very intense training. So if you are commuting long miles everyday and/or pushing it hard, you may need some carbs post exercise. I cut back on that sort of continuous 3/4 pace mileage I was doing and either do very hard intervals or very very light spinning. Gonna race this weekend and see how my form is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    ROK ON wrote: »
    bucket loads of fruit.
    Only spotted this. I don't eat much fruit. Lots of veg yes. But frig all fruit. Except for the tomato.

    Is an olive a fruit? I eat those.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    ror_74 wrote: »
    This is even the case with potatoes believe it or not.
    I well believe it. One of my guaranteed sleep foods. The worst is a frozen pizza. Gave those up years ago. Instant sleep.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,831 ✭✭✭ROK ON


    Only spotted this. I don't eat much fruit. Lots of veg yes. But frig all fruit. Except for the tomato.

    Is an olive a fruit? I eat those.



    My 8 year old daughter informed menthat if it has stones or seeds inside then it is a fruit. She is in school so it must be true.

    As regards exhaustion, I'm not doing big miles on a commute. Generally just pootle along.

    Over the weekend I did 2*45 mins on turbo with ahoy 15-20 mins of that described is intense. I also did one very casual 2h30m cycle with a stop for coffee (and a scone - the shame - but I don't do this at weekends).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,013 ✭✭✭Ole Rodrigo


    I well believe it. One of my guaranteed sleep foods. The worst is a frozen pizza. Gave those up years ago. Instant sleep.
    Me too. Its worth pointing out the potatoes are, in all probability, perfectly fine in the context of healthy insulin resistance. After all it wasn't too long ago that many folk would have lived on just spuds and eggs ( which is balanced and nutritionally sound ) most days of the week ( although in all probability doing manual work too )

    In the context of elevated insulin resistance - common in a high carb world, even before it gets anywhere near an unhealthy stage - potatoes could well thwart any efforts for weight loss.

    As a source of carbs for cycling I couldn't see a problem anyway. The key , it seems to me, is to match your carbs with energy expenditure. All carbs are not equal, and you need to choose your carbs based on wherever you are on the health spectrum.

    ROK ON wrote: »
    My 8 year old daughter informed menthat if it has stones or seeds inside then it is a fruit. She is in school so it must be true.

    As regards exhaustion, I'm not doing big miles on a commute. Generally just pootle along.

    Over the weekend I did 2*45 mins on turbo with ahoy 15-20 mins of that described is intense. I also did one very casual 2h30m cycle with a stop for coffee (and a scone - the shame - but I don't do this at weekends).

    Maybe a few spuds during the week would do the trick ? Definitely one of the least offending carbs..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,833 ✭✭✭niceonetom


    Sweet-potatoes are lovely, versatile and comparatively low GI.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 183 ✭✭Scuba_Scoper


    ROK ON wrote: »
    I've been giving this lifestyle a reasonably good go over past few weeks (weekends excepted).


    Diet has consisted of trout, smoked salmon, baby spinach, broccoli, lettuc, tomatoes, onions, eggs, bacon, chicken, nuts, bucket loads of fruit.

    If you are eating lots of fruit and resetting your metabolism at the weekends then you are not giving your body a chance to adapt.
    Try again but stay 'clean' for 28 days, eating no more than 2 pieces of fruit per day.

    After about 3 days I definitely felt a huge drag on my system - referred to as carb-flu by adherents to the paleo way - but by day 5 it was if a fog lifted and energy levels soar

    It is an eye opener really on how the body can adapt to anything really - and if you want to loose a bit of weight, well I used to watch what I ate but now - I just eat until I am full - just eating meat veg, some frut - some nuts and oils - - I break from true paleo by eating oats for replacing glycogen levels after endurance rides though so I am not wedded to the only way is the paleo way of thinking


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,013 ✭✭✭Ole Rodrigo


    Below is a list of carb amounts per day, taken from the Primal Blueprint, for an average male roughly 5ft 10, 80 kilos. It can be adjusted for exercise levels..so just work out the amount of carbs you need for a particular exercise, identify the source and add them on. Simple.:pac:
    300 or more grams/day - Danger Zone!

    Easy to reach with the “normal” American diet (cereals, pasta, rice, bread, waffles, pancakes, muffins, soft drinks, packaged snacks, sweets, desserts). High risk of excess fat storage, inflammation, increased disease markers including Metabolic Syndrome or diabetes. Sharp reduction of grains and other processed carbs is critical unless you are on the “chronic cardio” treadmill (which has its own major drawbacks).

    150-300 grams/day – Steady, Insidious Weight Gain

    Continued higher insulin-stimulating effect prevents efficient fat burning and contributes to widespread chronic disease conditions. This range – irresponsibly recommended by the USDA and other diet authorities – can lead to the statistical US average gain of 1.5 pounds of fat per year for forty years.

    100-150 grams/day – Primal Blueprint Maintenance Range

    This range based on body weight and activity level. When combined with Primal exercises, allows for genetically optimal fat burning and muscle development. Range derived from Grok’s (ancestors’) example of enjoying abundant vegetables and fruits and avoiding grains and sugars.

    50-100 grams/day – Primal Sweet Spot for Effortless Weight Loss

    Minimizes insulin production and ramps up fat metabolism. By meeting average daily protein requirements (.7 – 1 gram per pound of lean bodyweight formula), eating nutritious vegetables and fruits (easy to stay in 50-100 gram range, even with generous servings), and staying satisfied with delicious high fat foods (meat, fish, eggs, nuts, seeds), you can lose one to two pounds of body fat per week and then keep it off forever by eating in the maintenance range.

    0-50 grams/day – Ketosis and Accelerated Fat Burning

    Acceptable for a day or two of Intermittent Fasting towards aggressive weight loss efforts, provided adequate protein, fat and supplements are consumed otherwise. May be ideal for many diabetics. Not necessarily recommended as a long-term practice for otherwise healthy people due to resultant deprivation of high nutrient value vegetables and fruits

    Note : What is meant by Chronic Cardio is :
    Intense cardio ( Chronic Cardio ) as we commonly think of it today means long stretches at a sustained heart rate in the 80+% range.

    The fact is, our hunter-gatherer ancestors didn’t ramp up their heart rates significantly for over an hour every day, and I don’t think we should either. They walked at a very low level of exertion, burning almost entirely stored fats. Once you get into the zones where less fat is burned and where there’s a big dependency on glucose to fuel muscles, your body goes into a less efficient mode of fuel oxidation. There are biochemical costs associated with this shift. Your muscles and liver can only hold 500-600 grams of precious glycogen (stored glucose) at any one time, which means about 2 hours’ worth for the best trained individuals and less for most people. That means that to come back and work out hard the next day requires at least 600 more grams of carbs every day. That’s just too much glucose and insulin to deal with every day.

    I don’t recommend pushing this limit or even approaching it. Why bother? This kind of training (and diet) raises cortisol levels, increases oxidative damage, systemic inflammation, depresses the immune system and decreases fat metabolism. About the only thing good it does is improve cardiac muscle strength – and even then you get too the point of diminishing returns fairly quickly.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,167 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    ROK ON wrote: »
    bucket loads of fruit.

    ....related to knocking back on carbs and sugar.

    As a matter of interest, what is bucket loads?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    After about 3 days I definitely felt a huge drag on my system - referred to as carb-flu by adherents to the paleo way - but by day 5 it was if a fog lifted and energy levels soar

    When I intitiated the dietary change I had a cold and bizarre as this sounds my energy levels went up while having a cold.

    Anyway, I often suffered from colds and the only time I've got one since the dietary change is when I pummeled my body with "cardio". I was unsure what to do with all the excess energy I had so I went a bit nuts. This also lead to my hamstring/groin pull. So, I've stopped doing that. If I do an intense ride. I take the following day off and might go for a very light recovery 2 or 3 days after.

    If you go here in Obree's documentary. He says he only did 3 hours hard training a week. He spent another 7 hours winding down and loosening up. He warns against over training in the book. A1/A2 cat riders riders might laugh that an A4 could possibly over-train on low mileage but we are working off a much lower endurance talent base and may hit our ceiling much much sooner than they.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,831 ✭✭✭ROK ON


    CramCycle wrote: »
    As a matter of interest, what is bucket loads?



    Ok
    I'm not eating fruit suddenly as part of this lifestyle/diet. I have always eaten a lot of fruit and nuts. When I say always I mean since a kid.

    Most days I would eat a banana. Apples or pears. Mandarins. Berries when in season, particularly blueberries and strawberries. Plums/peaches/nectarines.
    Nuts - lots of nuts. Particularly pecans, macadamias. I need to hide these because all of my kids are fiends for nuts. Pecans are too damn expensive to waste on a four year old.

    I am aware of the sugar content of fruit and that it is a high GI food. In the past year I have started eating a small amount of nuts with my fruit, particularly with bananas.

    My breakfast before a long cycle (say like the ring of Kerry this weekend) will be some low sugar granola with almond pecans a banana and some blueberries with some natural yoghurt. If I want an extra kick I add a small spoon of maple syrup.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    Peter Bruckner gives LCHF a go.

    http://www.peterbrukner.com/category/diet/

    You don't have to listen to me. Just read the experiences of a leading sports scientist.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,831 ✭✭✭ROK ON


    I did the Ring of Kerry cycle on Saturday. I decided to experiment.

    Night before instead of my usual pre long ride meal of Risotto I mada a salad with spinach leaves, onions, nuts, roasted red pepper and chicken.
    Dressed with basil oil.
    Lovely.

    The morning of the cycle instead of my usual granola I had two fried eggs, some pecans and I did have a banana (I know I know).

    First 3 hours covered 92km in mostly Zone 3 HR.

    Did the entire event at 5h45 mins. Mostly on my own. Overtaking as opposed to drafting - always doing some work.

    Instopped half way and had some bad carbs - a pain au chocolat and a coffee. Not because I was hungry but because I gelt that I should eat something.

    I did not feel tired, nor did I feel the need for an enormous amount of carbs.

    Last night I did a short hilly cycle fueled on an o en roasted pork t bone chop marinated in cayenne and paprika.

    Coming around to believing that I lead carbs less than I think I need them.

    After the ROK my recovery meal was a bowl of bouilibase and a 99.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,860 ✭✭✭TinyExplosions


    One thing I find interesting is that a lot of the sources online mention cold cuts as being a good thing for lunches etc -now maybe I'm getting it all wrong, and they are meaning higher quality deli meat, but does most of the ham etc you buy have a lot of salt and nitrates etc in it -is this a problem (is salt intake in general a problem with LCHF type diets?)

    I dunno if it's down to the changes I've made, but I'm 4.2kg lighter now than I was 3 weeks ago when I started this, so something's going ok (I hope it'll accelerate a bit once I get out on the bike too!)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,150 ✭✭✭kumate_champ07


    One thing I find interesting is that a lot of the sources online mention cold cuts as being a good thing for lunches etc -now maybe I'm getting it all wrong, and they are meaning higher quality deli meat, but does most of the ham etc you buy have a lot of salt and nitrates etc in it -is this a problem (is salt intake in general a problem with LCHF type diets?)

    I dunno if it's down to the changes I've made, but I'm 4.2kg lighter now than I was 3 weeks ago when I started this, so something's going ok (I hope it'll accelerate a bit once I get out on the bike too!)
    my local butchers started selling beef sausages, I cook them and wrap them in tinfoil for a snack later. wouldnt touch cooked ham from a supermarket, even the so called carved ham is just compressed cuts of meat formed into a lump and then carved into square slices

    my oven is broken, if it was working Id be buying meat joints and slicing them up myself


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,860 ✭✭✭TinyExplosions


    my local butchers started selling beef sausages, I cook them and wrap them in tinfoil for a snack later. wouldnt touch cooked ham from a supermarket, even the so called carved ham is just compressed cuts of meat formed into a lump and then carved into square slices

    my oven is broken, if it was working Id be buying meat joints and slicing them up myself

    That's along what I was thinking -though unfortunately I don't have the time to do the joints (though may give it a go at the weekend with a gammon or corned beef now you've put that in my head)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,150 ✭✭✭kumate_champ07


    something else thats worth a try, ill do it eventually, homemade beef jerkey.


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,167 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    even the so called carved ham is just compressed cuts of meat formed into a lump and then carved into square slices

    Mmmm... reformed meat.

    Reminds me of the ads we used to see in work for meat re-claimers, get 112% meat from your carcass. (100% being what a skilled butcher would be able to take from the carcass, I presume). Ligaments etc. Put me off chicken nuggets for a long time


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    (is salt intake in general a problem with LCHF type diets?)

    According to Gary Taubes the science surrounding salt is also terrible:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/03/opinion/sunday/we-only-think-we-know-the-truth-about-salt.html?pagewanted=all
    https://www.byliner.com/gary-taubes/stories/the-political-science-of-salt

    Eating paleo, atkins, LCHF your kidneys don't retain the same amount of salt. And this leads to an initial quick water weight loss. Any paleo site will give you a long description of what goes on.

    If you feel initially light headed eating this way they recommend you take some salty water. I felt a touch light headed and had some salty water, it hasn't returned since.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    my oven is broken, if it was working Id be buying meat joints and slicing them up myself

    A slow cooker is the job. Nothing tastes bad when you cook it for 8 hours.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,138 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Nothing tastes bad when you cook it for 8 hours.

    Quorn?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    Lumen wrote: »
    Quorn?
    Sorry I meant soups, stews. and broths. They get better the longer you leave them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,860 ✭✭✭TinyExplosions


    According to Gary Taubes the science surrounding salt is also terrible:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/03/opinion/sunday/we-only-think-we-know-the-truth-about-salt.html?pagewanted=all
    https://www.byliner.com/gary-taubes/stories/the-political-science-of-salt

    Eating paleo, atkins, LCHF your kidneys don't retain the same amount of salt. And this leads to an initial quick water weight loss. Any paleo site will give you a long description of what goes on.

    If you feel initially light headed eating this way they recommend you take some salty water. I felt a touch light headed and had some salty water, it hasn't returned since.

    You're my new hero Pete... this really sounds like the kind of thing I could get on board with!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    You're my new hero Pete... this really sounds like the kind of thing I could get on board with!

    Aww thanks. But before anyone gets on board. I would suggest you do your own research and not just listen to the ramblings of a nutter on the internet.

    Anyone I know who has tried Atkins (probably without actually reading the book) just seems to eat scrambled egg and rashers for every meal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,138 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    My father in-law is recovering from a triple bypass, and I was reading his leaflets at the weekend. They're all about low fat. So I googled and found this:

    Low-Carb Diets Imperil People Prone to Heart Disease
    http://www.livescience.com/19293-carb-diets-heart-attack-risk.html

    However, it does finish with:

    "Many advocates on both sides of the diet debate — the low-fat and low-carb camps — have reached some common ground in recent years. Both camps now emphasize "good carbs," which are complex carbohydrates found in whole grains and beans, as opposed to the simple carbs found in sugar, white bread and potatoes; and "good fats," such as the healthful omega-3 fatty acids found in some fish, and unsaturated fats found in poultry."


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,167 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Anyone I know who has tried Atkins (probably without actually reading the book) just seems to eat scrambled egg and rashers for every meal.

    Everyone I know who tried that diet had only heard the basic starting out rules on TV, not one of them read the book and even fewer realised that the diet they were on was only meant to be that way at the start.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    Lumen wrote: »
    Both camps now emphasize "good carbs," which are complex carbohydrates found in whole grains and beans,
    I'm fairly sure this is not true. Especially in the case of grains. Paleos and LCHFers seem to be as equally vociferous in their condemnation of wheat as they are about sugar.

    Beans don't get a pass either.

    Paleo's seem to be fine with carbohydrates in the form of beetroot, carrots and sweet potatoes. Which I have to say don't seem to cause me any issues. Regular spuds do though.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,138 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    This thread is making me want to buy a glucometer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,604 ✭✭✭petethedrummer


    Lumen wrote: »
    This thread is making me want to buy a glucometer.
    If you feel healthy just close the thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,138 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    If you feel healthy just close the thread.

    I did feel healthy until I read this thread. Now I think I have cancer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,131 ✭✭✭Dermot Illogical


    Lumen wrote: »
    I did feel healthy until I read this thread. Now I think I have cancer.

    Not a problem, unless you seek advice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,504 ✭✭✭✭DirkVoodoo


    I'm loving this blog. I've started dictating paleo to my family without really knowing anything about it yet.

    I do know that all the symptoms you have discussed seem to afflict me.

    I started by removing potatoes. Potatoes make me sleepy.

    I'll build it up from there! Or tear it down, whatever way we are looking at this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭Chartsengrafs


    DirkVoodoo wrote: »

    I started by removing potatoes. Potatoes make me sleepy.

    I'm taking antihistamines like Smarties at the minute...nothing. Give me some mashed potatoes and it's sleepy time..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,504 ✭✭✭✭DirkVoodoo


    Basster wrote: »
    I'm taking antihistamines like Smarties at the minute...nothing. Give me some mashed potatoes and it's sleepy time..

    Christ, this pollen. I'm permanently tired, I feel slightly dizzy and nauseated and my head feels like it's in a pressure cooker.

    Hysterical pregnancy has not been ruled out either.

    I'm chatting with this girl (go Dirk!) who is a dietitian and claims paleo is not all it's cracked up to be. I'll report back when I get to the bottom of...it.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,300 ✭✭✭✭Seaneh


    DirkVoodoo wrote: »
    Christ, this pollen. I'm permanently tired, I feel slightly dizzy and nauseated and my head feels like it's in a pressure cooker.

    Hysterical pregnancy has not been ruled out either.

    I'm chatting with this girl (go Dirk!) who is a dietitian and claims paleo is not all it's cracked up to be. I'll report back when I get to the bottom of...it.

    Ask your doc to try Singulair, its the only hayfever treatment that's ever worked for me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,860 ✭✭✭TinyExplosions


    DirkVoodoo wrote: »
    I'm chatting with this girl (go Dirk!) who is a dietitian and claims paleo is not all it's cracked up to be. I'll report back when I get to the bottom of...it.

    The girl, or her thoughts on paleo?


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 25,167 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    Lumen wrote: »
    This thread is making me want to buy a glucometer.

    I'll give you one, companies throw them at Diabetics.


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