Donegal Asylum Centre Torched

Wibbs wrote: »

I'm useful for something A. Occasionally. I can put up shelves too. Though I use screws in that case.

*aside* I like Afghanis, certainly the ones I've met. Sound, family orientated, go out of their way to help if they can. Grafters too.

But yeah this tired old argument always trotted out in this debate about Irish emigres is, well... tired, and just another lazy third hand quip for a complex question and one to make the bearer of it feel better about him or herself. It has near eff all to do with the current crisis that Ireland and wider Europe is facing.

But sure, let's stumble along repeating the same mistakes of every single other European country that has decades of this guff under their collective belts and fast forward twenty years and we'll be having the same furrowed brows and breast beating debates about the "race" and "diversity" problems we imported, just like every single other European country that did the same. Armed Gardai on the street, bollards and restrictions, the second and third generation non "native" Irish who quite understandably and rightfully feel hard done by and out of the loop. AKA the bloody usual in this busted flush bollocks that is "multiculturalism". Hell, only last week, we have had the Guards run anti terrorist exercises in an Irish university. And if and going on elsewhere, when it kicks off for real, will we wonder why? Naw. The genie is already outa the lamp and it wasn't the majority of us who were rubbing the lamp.

I mean it's not as if there aren't lessons to be learned from other nations in plain effing sight over many decades and currently, but apparently we'll ignore that in favour of platitudes and misplaced emotionals. You couldn't make this shite up.

The comparisons of Ireland and America have always annoyed me as the two countries are nothing alike, in many, many ways, but probably most important in this case, is size.

I've always said that small numbers of immigrants can be integrated, while large numbers tend to lead to ghettoization. Ghettos are bad for everyone. For refugees, their last state is often worse than their first (as they now find themselves in a country with high costs of living, while being isolated from the aspects which give that country a nominal high development index). For the country it is of no benefit, because you end up with multiple generations of people who become isolated from the country they are in, able to contribute little to the economy, tend to have high rates of crime, and are ultimately quite dissatisfied.

Already with the situation with direct provision we see a system that is struggling to cope. Is this down to poor public management? Perhaps. But regardless of the cause, the outcome is clear to see. We do not have the current capacity to process large numbers of people from a bureaucratic point of view, nor do we have the material means to adequately provide for them.

A hotel is nothing more than emergency accommodation: indeed, many of our homeless are housed in hotels for this reason.

I struggle to understand how the government intends to provide for people with vastly different cultures from Ireland, with little English, in very rural areas. This sort of social integration requires far more than hand waving from a County Councillor .

Seeing that we clearly have limited capacities (in many different respects) we should probably be quite choosy about who we grant asylum to. Afghans and Syrians would be among the most deserving, on the grounds they are coming from what are, for the moment, still active war zones, but these people will also require more care.

I also must admit that the shopping list aspect probably requires more scrutiny than most people are willing to give it. I find it difficult to square the idea of someone being a genuine refugee with having a certain standard of living below which they would not be willing to accept. By this I mean that most refugees would not accept, for instance Bulgaria, as a home, as it would not reach this minimum requirement. I find it really, really hard not to be deeply cynical about this.

Graces7 wrote: »

Small rural communities can offer far more to these incomers than large anonymous cities in ways that matter and are likely to see increased facilities.

Good to see local folk preparing to welcome.

The government puts them in rural areas so as to not affect the crime stats in the cities....

malinheader wrote: »

Just to put it into perspective for someone like you and others who would like us to flood the country with as many immigrants as care to come. Last week it was leaked from someone who worked within the hse that operations for cancer patients were being postponed as to keep beds available for a and e departments as to not bring to light the drastic shortage of beds and the hospital crisis. Is it not time the government started to look after there own people first. And the health service is only one of a number of services that are not adequate for the population we have now.

I would not support a migrant centre in my small rural town, but I would welcome a centre for homeless Irish people. Many Irish people are homeless mainly due to past disasterous government actions taken without the people's permission, having bowed to pressure from the likes of Merkel. I suppose Bridgestock Ltd shareholders will be happy their political friends are looking after them though

Stop moving these poor asylum seekers to kips like Longford, Moville, Rooskey, ballaghadereen where there is nothing for them.

I'm from Longford and it has become a dumping ground. It has a high number of travellers & high rate of social welfare recipients.

Adding 77 to Longford makes no sense.

Graces7 wrote: »

Small rural communities can offer far more to these incomers than large anonymous cities in ways that matter and are likely to see increased facilities.

Good to see local folk preparing to welcome.

And what would these increased offerings be?
The ones that matter?
Access to jobs? Education? Legal services? Visible police presence? Health care? Transportation?

anotherfinemess wrote: »

I would not support a migrant centre in my small rural town, but I would welcome a centre for homeless Irish people. Many Irish people are homeless mainly due to past disasterous government actions taken without the people's permission, having bowed to pressure from the likes of Merkel. I suppose Bridgestock Ltd shareholders will be happy their political friends are looking after them though

Haha. You would welcome a center for the Irish homeless over the immigrants. Would you oppose to a drug rehabilitation clinic in your little town too.

Hope not as it may be needed. unless you meant only families homeless living in hotels. There are a vast amount of drug related homeless on the streets. Homeless because never mind the government, their own families have given up being robbed or dealing with the police visits and court letters.

Your thoughts are as ill planned out as these migrant centres being dumped in the middle of nowhere.

mammajamma wrote: »

"racism!"

With no allusion to facts of the situation whatsoever.

Are you actually saying that the asshole who torched a refugee centre, with the owner and his daughter inside, isn't a racist?

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Burning down the building was wrong and who ever did it deserves to be punished.

Contrats. And I'm not being sarcastic, I mean it. It's amazing how few people have condemned this. There seems to be an opinion amongst many that it was a perfectly rational and expected thing to do.

Let's just sum this up. Some racist fcuker (and yes they were racist) decided to torch a building with people inside it. Yet, here we are are pages on and there's been remarkably few people who are condemning it. Rather they are explaining that it's a natural reaction.

The guy who did this, and anyone who think he was right to do it, are complete scum.

topper75 wrote: »

Moreover, there is a fat irony in the cries of 'nazis' by proponents of these centres against those who oppose wholesale fraud by illegals falsely claiming asylum.

They forget the nazis were the ones illegally going into other countries, failing to respect borders and sovereignty. and that was the very problem!

Maybe a look in the mirror mighn't go astray for them.

So in your world, a refugee is somehow equivalent to a nazi. Or is it someone who doesn't hate refugees who is the nazi?

How messed up is your logic that you manage to come to that conclusion. It seriously takes some imagination and leaps in logic to come to that conclusion.

Operation Re-Education is now in flow. The media are running wild with this "Inisowen Together" group, as they hand pick coherent migrants to speak and gain media attention for everyone of their meetings. A group that nobody knew existed until yesterday. But now they are media darlings, trailblazers, brave.

Now the media will hand pick residents for interviews who are desperate for Diversity in their town.

In 1 weeks time, there will be videos of the towns folk singing kumbaya and leading the resistance against Trump.

Everybody has been Re-Educated

2011 wrote: »

I think we can safely assume that his motivation was to turn a loss making business into a profit making business. As there is nothing to suggest that this has changed why would he regret it? Unless you think he would be worried about the threat of a large insurance payout due to an arson attack? It’s win win for the owner.

We know his motivation was profit but he won’t make much profit from the charred embers of a burnt out hotel and I don’t fancy his chances insuring against it happening in the future either..

Happy4all wrote: »

Is Moville a kip? Spent sometime there and found it quiet nice.

I spent 4 months in greencastle years ago and I found the whole area to be lovely.

Kivaro wrote: »

We are being told by the liberals that:
"if people have to queue a bit longer at the doctor's surgery or make room in the classrooms for more children, it's a small price to pay compared to what the people seeking asylum have gone through."
What is not mentioned is how the people who go to work in the morning will have to pay for these people seeking asylum and the multitudes of their family members who will show up when the leave to remain has been exhausted over the years and they are allowed to stay due to "humanitarian" grounds.

What is amazing is the claim by Irish media/liberals is that 100% of asylum claims are legitimate, instead of the reality that the vast majority are bogus.
If a worker asks a question about the legitimacy and corresponding cost of an asylum claim, then he/she is a racist.

Where are all the people who were queuing up to tell Joe Duffy that they had spare rooms and would love to take in some Syrian refugees?
Where were they when Irish travellers were looking for accommodation?

Grayson wrote: »

My mum volunteered. I should be buying a house in the next year or two and I have no problem volunteering then. (I currently have a tiny one roomed apt that honestly would have difficulty hosting a hamster so it's just not possible now).

There's an idea that people aren't altruistic. Some people seem to think that the idea that someone would house a refugee is crazy. It's not. there are loads of kind hearted people who do go well out of their way to help people.

I agree that they're are. But there are far more people who will profess altruism but not follow up, or retract quietly when the reality hits.


To be honest, the high handed approach of the dept of Justice is doing this process no favours. Really, a direct provision centre should require planning permission minimum and that hotels cant simply be overnight changed to them. As part of the planning process, a community impact assessment should be carried out, which looks at education, healthcare, social, commercial and transport infrastructure in the community in which these are placed. It would give the community an outlet to voice their concerns.

I mean, if we now need planning to Airbnb, planning should be required for these facilities.