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Extinction Rebellion Ireland

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  • #2552
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    20Cent wrote: »
    Out of interest what sources do you believe in relation to climate change?

    Independent varified science, not bull**** from alarmists with an agenda. Oh and definitely not the hypocrites that want others to change their behaviour but carry on as before themselves.


  • #2553
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Independent varified science, not bull**** from alarmists with an agenda. Oh and definitely not the hypocrites that want others to change their behaviour but carry on as before themselves.

    That course is made by Dr. Michael E. Mann who is a very well respected climate scientist.

    Who do you recommend?


  • #2554
    boring accountant
    Registered Users Posts: 335 ✭✭boring accountant


    ToBeFrank123 wrote: »
    Decades ago and probably more so in the UK during WW2, you were given a reward for bringing plastic and glass bottles back to shops. And milk bottles were recycled by the milkman after a quick wash.
    Nowadays everything is manufacture and throwaway. People are lazy and also have a higher standard of living and look at the reuse of bottles as primitive.

    We definitely should incentivise people to return plastic bottles to shops. Large softdrink manufacturers should be made accountable for their bottles after use, either by having them returned to shops with a reward or some other method.

    We should view companies like those as we view tobacco companies.


    Returning them to shops does nothing. It ends up in a landfill anyway. Reusable is the only way to go. I see people with keepcups everywhere now. That needs to be incentivised for every product that comes in a container.


  • #2555
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    20Cent wrote: »
    That course is made by Dr. Michael E. Mann who is a very well respected climate scientist.

    Who do you recommend?

    Where does Dr Mann get his funding?


  • #2556
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Where does Dr Mann get his funding?

    Dunno.
    Who do you recommend to read?


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  • #2557
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    20Cent wrote: »
    Dunno.
    Who do you recommend to read?

    So you don't know but you want people to listen to him? lol.


  • #2558
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    So you don't know but you want people to listen to him? lol.

    I'd imagine lots of different sources of funding. He's peer review published and won lots of awards. His course is also recommended by other climate scientists.


    Who do you recommend as an authority on it?


  • #2559
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    20Cent wrote: »
    I'd imagine lots of different sources of funding. He's peer review published and won lots of awards. His course is also recommended by other climate scientists.


    Who do you recommend as an authority on it?

    Soz dude but it's you who name checked someone when I asked you where he gets his funding your response is ' dunno' ' I imagine'.


  • #2560
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Soz dude but it's you who name checked someone when I asked you where he gets his funding your response is ' dunno' ' I imagine'.

    Mann's funding primarily comes from:

    National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
    National Science Foundation.
    ‎Pennsylvania State University.

    Which scientists support your point of view?


  • #2561
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Soz dude but it's you who name checked someone when I asked you where he gets his funding your response is ' dunno' ' I imagine'.

    Lots of sources.
    Anyway who do you recommend.

    Sure looks like you're spoofing.


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  • #2562
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    20Cent wrote: »
    Lots of sources.
    Anyway who do you recommend.

    Sure looks like you're spoofing.

    "Soz dude" is a bit of a give away.


  • #2563
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    "Soz dude" is a bit of a give away.

    'Dunno' is a bit of a give away for me.


  • #2564
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    'Dunno' is a bit of a give away for me.

    So, your scientists?


  • #2565
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    20Cent wrote: »
    Lots of sources.
    Anyway who do you recommend.

    Sure looks like you're spoofing.

    What spoofing? I asked you whom funds the person you name checked your responses consisted of 'dunno and I imagine'. If you're not even aware of his funding stream what makes you sure of his credibility?


  • #2566
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    What spoofing? I asked you whom funds the person you name checked your responses consisted of 'dunno and I imagine'. If you're not even aware of his funding stream what makes you sure of his credibility?

    His publications, his qualification, awards he's been given and the jobs he's had. In addition the respect and recommendations of his peers.

    Who do you think people should check out on the issue?


  • #2567
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    20Cent wrote: »
    His publications, his qualification, awards he's been given and the jobs he's had. In addition the respect and recommendations of his peers.

    Who do you think people should check out on the issue?

    Again I asked you where his funding stream comes from, I didn't ask you for his CV. I always take heed of who provides the funding .


  • #2568
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Again I asked you where his funding stream comes from, I didn't ask you for his CV. I always take heed of who provides the funding .

    Your scientists?


  • #2569
    20Cent
    Registered Users Posts: 8,939 ✭✭✭20Cent


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Again I asked you where his funding stream comes from, I didn't ask you for his CV. I always take heed of who provides the funding .

    Lots of different sources, like any scientist. Different studies will have different funding.


  • #2570
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    20Cent wrote: »
    Lots of different sources, like any scientist. Different studies will have different funding.

    Far easier for you to stick with your original answer so of 'dunno'.


  • #2571
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    So, no scientists. Pity.


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  • #2572
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Your scientists?

    I don't employ any.


  • #2573
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I don't employ any.

    So you make things up in your head. Okay.


  • #2574
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    So you make things up in your head. Okay.

    Didn't make anything up at all I asked a poster a question about a scientist they name checked somehow your cage got rattled and you jumped in expecting me to address questions you put to me. The beauty of this site is I can choose to respond or to ignore. So you can toddle off now and annoy someone else.


  • #2575
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Didn't make anything up at all I asked a poster a question about a scientist they name checked somehow your cage got rattled and you jumped in expecting me to address questions you put to me. The beauty of this site is I can choose to respond or to ignore. So you can toddle off now and annoy someone else.

    Au contraire. This is you when asked about what sources you believe in relation to climate change:

    "Independent varified science, not bull**** from alarmists with an agenda. Oh and definitely not the hypocrites that want others to change their behaviour but carry on as before themselves."

    You seem unable to name any of your "Independent varified" scientists. Only saying.


  • #2576
    high_king
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 418 ✭✭high_king


    The government and the large corporate agenda are pushing that the solution to saving the environment is electric cars high , tech heating systems etc etc etc, producing, buying, consuming and continually replacing more and more and more technology and products. . faster and faster rat race . . the real solution is everyone going back to a much simpler happier lifestyle.


  • #2577
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Au contraire. This is you when asked about what sources you believe in relation to climate change:

    "Independent varified science, not bull**** from alarmists with an agenda. Oh and definitely not the hypocrites that want others to change their behaviour but carry on as before themselves."

    You seem unable to name any of your "Independent varified" scientists. Only saying.

    I said independent varified science I didn't say scientists. ;-) please don't twist my words. Anyway now of questions were addressed to you. So find someone else to annoy please.
    An example of an alarmist would be that tool Gore that was suggesting we would all have to develop gills because of rising seas yet invested in beach front properties.


  • #2578
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I said independent varified science I didn't say scientists. ;-)

    Oh right. Science written by not scientists. Gotcha.


  • #2579
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Oh right. Science written by not scientists. Gotcha.

    ;-)


  • #2580
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,133 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    I didn't write down much on the day but the little I wrote down was Jerusalem artichoke captures 6 tons of carbon per acre, a mature forest captures 3 to 4tons

    Quote from bio farming event.

    Not a revelation that mature forest isn't as good as other crops, artichoke stood out in his mind.


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  • #2581
    Robert_Beach
    Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭Robert_Beach


    high_king wrote: »
    The government and the large corporate agenda are pushing that the solution to saving the environment is electric cars high , tech heating systems etc etc etc, producing, buying, consuming and continually replacing more and more and more technology and products. . faster and faster rat race . . the real solution is everyone going back to a much simpler happier lifestyle.

    Well said. Our current pace of life is not one that can continue. We need to cut back in every aspect of life


  • #2582
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Robert_Beach wrote: »
    Well said. Our current pace of life is not one that can continue. We need to cut back in every aspect of life

    No we don't. The earth goes through cycles. The sky is not falling.


  • #2583
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Robert_Beach wrote: »
    Well said. Our current pace of life is not one that can continue. We need to cut back in every aspect of life

    Your major problem is telling the developing world right that's it guys we all have to lead simpler lives. Ye guys now as well , ye cannot aspire to have the lifestyle we enjoyed in the west for decades you know because of climate change. Soz.


  • #2584
    Robert_Beach
    Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭Robert_Beach


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Your major problem is telling the developing world right that's it guys we all have to lead simpler lives. Ye guys now as well , ye cannot aspire to have the lifestyle we enjoyed in the west for decades you know because of climate change. Soz.

    Yeah, life isn't fair. We in the West will have to reduce what we're used to too.

    Foreign holidays, a heavy meat diet, private cars, a throwaway lunch etc etc will all be as alien to an Irish person in 2050 as they will to a Tanzanian of the time.


  • #2585
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Robert_Beach wrote: »
    Yeah, life isn't fair. We in the West will have to reduce what we're used to too.

    Foreign holidays, a heavy meat diet, private cars, a throwaway lunch etc etc will all be as alien to an Irish person in 2050 as they will to a Tanzanian of the time.
    The response proves you are utterly clueless. I can make claims 31 years into the future too but like yours they would equally be bull****.


  • #2586
    ToBeFrank123
    Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 2,176 ✭✭✭ToBeFrank123


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    No we don't. The earth goes through cycles. The sky is not falling.

    Would you consider increased tropical storms, melting of Icecaps, and most seriously melting of glaciers that provide essential fresh water to a quarter of the worlds population, the sky falling in?


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  • #2587
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,110 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I wonder how long it will be until there is some sort of pushback at the BBC for their one-sided coverage of Anthropogenic Global Warming vs climate skepticism? If I were the UK government I would be deeply concerned by the consequences of the the BBC getting away with being so one-sided. We are on the verge of climate terrorism when you have people so far off their trolleys as some posters here.


  • #2588
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,110 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    ToBeFrank123 wrote: »
    Would you consider increased tropical storms, melting of Icecaps, and most seriously melting of glaciers that provide essential fresh water to a quarter of the worlds population, the sky falling in?

    I would imagine that many valleys that sustain glaciers would also be suitable for building dams so as to have water reservoirs.


  • #2589
    Robert_Beach
    Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭Robert_Beach


    The amount of climate change deniers around here is scary. I didn't think that it was that way over here in real life but who knows?


  • #2590
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,133 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    cnocbui wrote: »
    I would imagine that many valleys that sustain glaciers would also be suitable for building dams so as to have water reservoirs.

    Dams can't trap what isn't there anymore.

    This is already a problem, especially for countries around the Himalayan range.


  • #2591
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,133 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Robert_Beach wrote: »
    The amount of climate change deniers around here is scary. I didn't think that it was that way over here in real life but who knows?

    I accept climate change.

    I can see it, I've God dammed Egyptian birds breeding at the bottom of my land.

    I can't accept your last 8 words.

    You should have said "over there".


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  • #2592
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Robert_Beach wrote: »
    The amount of climate change deniers around here is scary. I didn't think that it was that way over here in real life but who knows?

    There is actually very few climate change deniers, the problem for the likes of you is that most here don't accept the apocalypse that the likes of you are promoting. If we are to believe the likes of Greta the world will pretty much end by 2030 which not even the most shrill climate change scientists endorses .


  • #2593
    Jimmy Garlic
    Registered Users Posts: 4,349 ✭✭✭Jimmy Garlic


    cnocbui wrote: »
    I wonder how long it will be until there is some sort of pushback at the BBC for their one-sided coverage of Anthropogenic Global Warming vs climate skepticism? If I were the UK government I would be deeply concerned by the consequences of the the BBC getting away with being so one-sided. We are on the verge of climate terrorism when you have people so far off their trolleys as some posters here.

    So far off their trolleys that they want us to emulate North Korea. I can imagine that it wouldn't take much for them to start killing people, the more demented ones anyway. A mixture of religious Puritanism and Communism.


  • #2594
    high_king
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 418 ✭✭high_king


    Robert_Beach wrote: »
    Well said. Our current pace of life is not one that can continue. We need to cut back in every aspect of life

    Agreed, but we are also being spun lie after lie about what the real solutions actually are by "green" governments, "green" politicians, "green" cronies, "green" media and their large "green" corporate paymasters. Pied Piper scumbags the lot of them.


  • #2595
    ILoveYourVibes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,202 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    high_king wrote: »
    Agreed, but we are also being spun lie after lie about what the real solutions actually are by "green" governments, "green" politicians, "green" cronies, "green" media and their large "green" corporate paymasters. Pied Piper scumbags the lot of them.


    That is a rather extreme condemnation.

    Its also a little paranoid.


    I see it this way green industry might be said to be guilty of a lot of hyperbole which their younger generation takes to be literal and genuine as they are less savvy.

    But there is an environmental issue. I mean have you forgotten the weather we have been having in recent years?

    And we do need solutions.


  • #2596
    high_king
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 418 ✭✭high_king


    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

    But there is an environmental issue. I mean have you forgotten the weather we have been having in recent years?

    And we do need solutions.

    Spare me the half witted patronising bullshyte, of course we need solutions, but not the corporate / consumerism / government / rat race ones we are being spun . . . from 40 grand planned obsolescence electric cars to 40 grand heating systems.


  • #2597
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,591 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    cnocbui wrote: »
    I wonder how long it will be until there is some sort of pushback at the BBC for their one-sided coverage of Anthropogenic Global Warming vs climate skepticism? If I were the UK government I would be deeply concerned by the consequences of the the BBC getting away with being so one-sided. We are on the verge of climate terrorism when you have people so far off their trolleys as some posters here.

    We already have had eco terrorism from the Unabomber. It’s only a matter of time before climate terrorism becomes a reality. Some advocates have become so zealous that the use of violence to create awareness is the next step to be justified.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • #2598
    IamtheWalrus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,075 ✭✭✭IamtheWalrus


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50341846


  • #2599
    IamtheWalrus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,075 ✭✭✭IamtheWalrus


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    We already have had eco terrorism from the Unabomber. It’s only a matter of time before climate terrorism becomes a reality. Some advocates have become so zealous that the use of violence to create awareness is the next step to be justified.

    Read that back to yourself.


  • #2600
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    Has Greta got her World Champion Mitch-er of the Year Award yet ?


  • #2601
    SafeSurfer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,591 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    IamtheWalrus wrote: »
    Read that back to yourself.

    I don’t follow you.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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