Importing from the UK - definitive guide (Q and A)

L-M · 28-06-2020 12:25pm

deezell wrote: »

Dpf light can come when the pressure differential pre and post exhaust rises too high, and doesn't respond to a regen, or the regen either can't occur or doesn't occur correctly. It will also come on when the differential rise returns in too short a time, indicating that the dpf is near end of life. Regen can be blocked by the car ecu if any glow plugs are faulty, or the glow plug relay has a faulty output (There are often per plug connections on the relay). Regen won't happen if the engine temperature/revs are insufficient, hence the blast down the motorway to get a regen to kick in, not to clear the dpf in itself, though it helps. A regen can occur but fail to clear a near end of life dpf. A regen can also be compromised by a clogged fuel filter, which inhibits the overfueling cycle of the regen from raising the exhaust gas temperature sufficiently. With the exception of a dead glowplug, the rest are all mostly older car problems.

I unfortunately know most of the above through spending over 4500 on a DPF warranty claims on a 6 year old Opel.

My point was, unless the poster has already been told the DPF needs to be replaced, it’s highly unlikely that in a 1 year old car that it does. Again, anything is possible.

Thread gone very off topic!

deezell · 28-06-2020 1:39pm

L-M wrote: »

That’s exactly what I thought prior to investigating further, but a friend (Car dealer) is adamant that it’s correct.

All new cars would be VAT qualifying anyway, they wouldn’t be VAT margin.

Do you mean new as in brand new unregistered, or VAT new as in < 6 months < 6000km? The latter may not be VAT qualifying if it was privately owned in the UK.

maddness · 28-06-2020 2:11pm

Has anyone managed to book an appointment to vrt their car recently?
I’m getting a car next week from the uk and had a look at booking an appointment but there are no appointments anywhere?
The revenue site states that they are open from June 29th.

Bogwoppit · 28-06-2020 2:37pm

maddness wrote: »

Has anyone managed to book an appointment to vrt their car recently?
I’m getting a car next week from the uk and had a look at booking an appointment but there are no appointments anywhere?
The revenue site states that they are open from June 29th.

Made one last week for the 7th.

maddness · 28-06-2020 3:07pm

Bogwoppit wrote: »

Made one last week for the 7th.

Fair enough but I just looked and there are no appointments anywhere.

SummerK · 28-06-2020 3:11pm

maddness wrote: »

Fair enough but I just looked and there are no appointments anywhere.

I see appointments are available in Dundalk and Ballinasloe. They may be available for other places post 29-June.

deezell · 28-06-2020 4:09pm

SummerK wrote: »

I see appointments are available in Dundalk and Ballinasloe. They may be available for other places post 29-June.

Michellie posted something recently about loitering around the centre and asking for a no show? Or maybe phoning. Go back a few posts.

maddness · 28-06-2020 4:56pm

deezell wrote: »

Michellie posted something recently about loitering around the centre and asking for a no show? Or maybe phoning. Go back a few posts.

Thanks, I’ll have a look

User1998 · 28-06-2020 5:42pm

Usually when its busy like now there are no appointments on the website and you have to call and get one that way, you get a text a few days later with a date and time, I’ve only ever been able to book online when Nox was introduced and everyone stopped importing for a while

L-M · 28-06-2020 7:55pm

deezell wrote: »

Do you mean new as in brand new unregistered, or VAT new as in < 6 months < 6000km? The latter may not be VAT qualifying if it was privately owned in the UK.

Sorry I meant brand new unregistered. Not the Irish definition of new

Bogwoppit · 29-06-2020 10:20am

Filling in the vrtvpd2 form, it asks for the vat amount, invoice from the dealer says no vat so just want to double check here.

mgn · 29-06-2020 11:14am

Bogwoppit wrote: »

Filling in the vrtvpd2 form, it asks for the vat amount, invoice from the dealer says no vat so just want to double check here.

Leave it blank.

djan · 29-06-2020 11:56am

Does anyone have any solid resources as where to find Nox values for cars between the 2012 and 2014 range? Looking specifically at the MB C204 series but can't seem to find anything online.

Basically trying to see the difference between a c180 and a c220cdi as they seem to be going for similair money.

Marcusm · 29-06-2020 12:14pm

L-M wrote: »

Sorry I meant brand new unregistered. Not the Irish definition of new

It’s not the Irisf definition though, it’s an EU wide definition of a New Means of Transport (equiv rules for boats and planes) requiring local VAT to be paid. Issues arise if bought privately in one U.K. for import into another as the first VAT may not be recoverable.

deezell · 29-06-2020 12:32pm

djan wrote: »

Does anyone have any solid resources as where to find Nox values for cars between the 2012 and 2014 range? Looking specifically at the MB C204 series but can't seem to find anything online.

Basically trying to see the difference between a c180 and a c220cdi as they seem to be going for similair money.

http://www.emissionsfinder.com/

DVLA Site;
https://www.gov.uk/co2-and-vehicle-tax-tools

ROS Nox Excell sheet
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zig2407cRrC2i6HTPlKsVQuPydMazvjM/view?usp=drivesdk

djan · 29-06-2020 1:10pm

deezell wrote: »

http://www.emissionsfinder.com/

DVLA Site;
https://www.gov.uk/co2-and-vehicle-tax-tools

ROS Nox Excell sheet
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zig2407cRrC2i6HTPlKsVQuPydMazvjM/view?usp=drivesdk

Thank you so much. Was looking through the DVLA site but couldn't find it, and the spreadheet is fantastic too!

deezell · 29-06-2020 3:52pm

djan wrote: »

Thank you so much. Was looking through the DVLA site but couldn't find it, and the spreadheet is fantastic too!

Here's DVLA 2012 c200 cdi auto 17" stop start. Whopping Nox.
https://carfueldata.vehicle-certification-agency.gov.uk/search-new-or-used-cars.aspx?vid=803298

deezell · 29-06-2020 3:56pm

And the same in c180 petrol. Nox only 33
https://carfueldata.vehicle-certification-agency.gov.uk/search-new-or-used-cars.aspx?vid=833038

mgn · 29-06-2020 4:30pm

Anyone waiting for a VRT appointment there is plenty available around the country today.

djan · 29-06-2020 5:58pm

deezell wrote: »

And the same in c180 petrol. Nox only 33
https://carfueldata.vehicle-certification-agency.gov.uk/search-new-or-used-cars.aspx?vid=833038

Looks like I'll have to go for a petrol, shame that there are so few C250 '13 around as I'm worried the C180 will be a bit lacklustre...

deezell · 01-07-2020 9:42am

djan wrote: »

Looks like I'll have to go for a petrol, shame that there are so few C250 '13 around as I'm worried the C180 will be a bit lacklustre...

It would be if you drive c250 first. Nox even lower on these. Only 15
https://carfueldata.vehicle-certification-agency.gov.uk/search-new-or-used-cars.aspx?vid=833321
There's a nice grey 2013 coupe on auto trader, looks good.

TripleSSS · 01-07-2020 2:19pm

Pmoylan wrote: »

It seems they will be processing them until the end of this year.

From the RSA Website: https://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Brexit/NCT-EU-Roadworthiness-Certificates/

"When the United Kingdom (UK) leaves the European Union (EU), NCTS on behalf of the RSA will continue to process Mutual Recognition applications up until 31 December 2020 (current transition period) in respect of UK private vehicles being imported into the State. These recognition certificates recognise the unexpired portion of EU certificates of roadworthiness issued by a Member State in respect of a vehicle being re-registered in the State."

18. on NCT Website: https://www.ncts.ie/1112

Where can you get the original or a certified true copy of your out of state roadworthiness certificate (MOT in my case)? Just received my car yesterday, to get an NCT from the MOT do I have to do this after VRT (I'm booked in for VRT in two weeks time).

Thanks

deezell · 01-07-2020 4:56pm

djan wrote: »

Looks like I'll have to go for a petrol, shame that there are so few C250 '13 around as I'm worried the C180 will be a bit lacklustre...

If you lean towards late 2014 reg, 64 reg in UK, you will get the updated model C Class, euro 6 standard or ULEZ in the UK. The right car will have CO2 as low as 103-110 depending on wheels, transmission, S/S etc. Nox is only 56, so typical VRT+Nox charge is about €2384.
Heres an example for £10K, currently €11,100 on revolut. VRT stat code is 42287263, €2384. With Ferry etc, you have a 142 reg 220D new model W205 C class for under €14K, and loads of power.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/202002137290581

There's the odd one here close to that, nice one here in Tralee, but miles are high.
http://www.carsireland.ie/2550395

hoodie6029 · 01-07-2020 5:23pm

TripleSSS wrote: »

Where can you get the original or a certified true copy of your out of state roadworthiness certificate (MOT in my case)? Just received my car yesterday, to get an NCT from the MOT do I have to do this after VRT (I'm booked in for VRT in two weeks time).

Thanks

They don't issue certs anymore over there like we do. I just had a print off from the MOT website. I'd no hassle getting the NCT transfer with it.

mgn · 01-07-2020 5:32pm

hoodie6029 wrote: »

They don't issue certs anymore over there like we do. I just had a print off from the MOT website. I'd no hassle getting the NCT transfer with it.

The do still issue MOT certs, it's the tax discs that the don't issue anymore.

hoodie6029 · 01-07-2020 6:58pm

mgn wrote: »

The do still issue MOT certs, it's the tax discs that the don't issue anymore.

I beg to differ from personal experience. If you've something useful to say to this poster who asked a question, say it. Otherwise....

Marcusm · 02-07-2020 1:43pm

hoodie6029 wrote: »

I beg to differ from personal experience. If you've something useful to say to this poster who asked a question, say it. Otherwise....

Some centres don’t give them out but the rules say that they must. Some centres/garages don’t bother as they know the customer can print them off at home. However, you cannot extrapolate from your personal experience of not receiving one to suggest that they are no longer issues physically on completion of the test.

hoodie6029 · 02-07-2020 2:36pm

Perhaps you and mgn could start another thread on the finer points of the MOT certs rather than dragging this OT since you are both so fond of them.

immensecotors · 02-07-2020 3:43pm

Clueless car buyer here - Planning on buying in the UK in September, quick question here if anyone has the time.

Is the Definitive guide from years ago still relevant? From what i gather this is the modus operandi i should approach this with:

* Research Car and calculate VRT (correct NOx values etc)
* Find the specific car and get it checked by RAC
* Book flights/hotel and ferry for coming home
* Organize dealer to collect me from the airport
* Pay with Revolut
* Ferry Home
* Visit tax office and pay the VRT (unfortunately).

Any tips is much appreciated, just for context i am planning on purchasing an Audi A5 Sline between 2013-2014 for between 9-10k(Sterling), hopefully.

Cheers

Isambard · 02-07-2020 5:19pm

bring the V5C with you or walk away from the deal.

immensecotors · 02-07-2020 6:04pm

bump

ek motor · 02-07-2020 6:36pm

Quick question - looking at buying a 2018 Mitsubishi L200 from the North. Price quoted is £15k + VAT.

Had a quick skim over the buying from the UK guide and it says there should be no VAT payable unless the car is new or less than 6k on the clock. Am I understanding this correctly that I wouldn't be liable for VAT in either jurisdiction? Or have I got this arse ways?

Never bought from UK before and completely clueless. Cheers.

Marcusm · 02-07-2020 7:08pm

ek motor wrote: »

Quick question - looking at buying a 2018 Mitsubishi L200 from the North. Price quoted is £15k + VAT.

Had a quick skim over the buying from the UK guide and it says there should be no VAT payable unless the car is new or less than 6k on the clock. Am I understanding this correctly that I wouldn't be liable for VAT in either jurisdiction? Or have I got this arse ways?

Never bought from UK before and completely clueless. Cheers.

It’s a commercial vehicle so quoted plus VAT as VAT reg’d persons can get it without UK VAT for export or U.K. VAT reg’d business can recover VAT.

02-07-2020 7:10pm

I'm having a car delivered in the morning. Turns out even after all my making sure he understood what to do, I think yer man that sold it to me is after sending the v5c to the DVLA..I've rang the DVLA and they said they will generally send it back to the garage, but it's looking like it's going to be a headache.. I'll ring them again next week, hopefully.. would there be any possiblity of an extension with the way everything is at the minute?..

Marcusm · 02-07-2020 7:11pm

hoodie6029 wrote: »

Perhaps you and mgn could start another thread on the finer points of the MOT certs rather than dragging this OT since you are both so fond of them.

Perhaps point that high-powered perception at yourself and recognise that the false statements which have diverted it came:cool: only from you!

Marcusm · 02-07-2020 7:14pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm having a car delivered in the morning. Turns out even after all my making sure he understood what to do, I think yer man that sold it to me is after sending the v5c to the DVLA..I've rang the DVLA and they said they will generally send it back to the garage, but it's looking like it's going to be a headache.. I'll ring them again next week, hopefully.. would there be any possiblity of an extension with the way everything is at the minute?..

Was this a private sale? Dealer would generally update records online if they have the facility. You need the original document so keep up whatever pressure/leverage you have to get him to turn it around to you. Any VRT penalty only arises after 30 days so you have some time.

02-07-2020 7:20pm

Marcusm wrote: »

Was this a private sale? Dealer would generally update records online if they have the facility. You need the original document so keep up whatever pressure/leverage you have to get him to turn it around to you. Any VRT penalty only arises after 30 days so you have some time.

No, it was from a dealer..Tbh I just don't know how much faith I have in yer man.. I'll get on to him again tomorrow.. Yeah, if I've to wait for it to go back to the garage from the DVLA and then over here though, that 30 days could pass..

deezell · 02-07-2020 7:24pm

ek motor wrote: »

Quick question - looking at buying a 2018 Mitsubishi L200 from the North. Price quoted is £15k + VAT.

Had a quick skim over the buying from the UK guide and it says there should be no VAT payable unless the car is new or less than 6k on the clock. Am I understanding this correctly that I wouldn't be liable for VAT in either jurisdiction? Or have I got this arse ways?

Never bought from UK before and completely clueless. Cheers.

It also has a lower rate of VRT of 13.3% as its "sort of" commercial, with 4 seats, so VRT about €3k, no Nox on these either, afaik. If you have a VAT no. you don't pay UK VAT, or you do and claim it back. If you're a private customer, pay the UK VAT, then the VRT. Without a VAT no, or commercial use for your employment, road tax on commercials is private road tax rates based on CC, not emissions, so at 2442cc, €1080 yearly.

immensecotors · 02-07-2020 7:31pm

What's the consensus on buying a car from the UK for 10k Sterling, is it worthwhile. I am looking at Audi A5s and the quality of the car seems much higher and it looks like i'd save atleast a grand or two. Thoughts?

Isambard · 02-07-2020 8:11pm

immensecotors wrote: »

bump

Bump?after not much more than 2 hours and less than a hour after I at least replied

colm_mcm · 02-07-2020 9:14pm

immensecotors wrote: »

What's the consensus on buying a car from the UK for 10k Sterling, is it worthwhile. I am looking at Audi A5s and the quality of the car seems much higher and it looks like i'd save atleast a grand or two. Thoughts?

Go for it, just beware nox charge on 2015 and older as it could be €2k+ depending. Check this for the particular car as per the V5

hoodie6029 · 02-07-2020 10:50pm

Marcusm wrote: »

Perhaps point that high-powered perception at yourself and recognise that the false statements which have diverted it came:cool: only from you!

I don't think we're reading the same thread. I'll see you over on your MOT thread.

immensecotors · 03-07-2020 8:43am

colm_mcm wrote: »

Go for it, just beware nox charge on 2015 and older as it could be €2k+ depending. Check this for the particular car as per the V5

Cheers bud

Bobeagleburger · 04-07-2020 8:29am

Bought a car in the UK a few years ago. Saved a few quid and got a much higher spec.

Is it still worthwhile going over to buy? Are savings as good as they were in 2018?

colm_mcm · 04-07-2020 11:27am

It depends. The biggest savings are on new cars or certain hybrids.
Older diesels (pre 15) aren’t as good value as they were, and cars in general are that little bit more expensive than they were a few years ago.

Bobeagleburger · 04-07-2020 12:43pm

colm_mcm wrote: »

It depends. The biggest savings are on new cars or certain hybrids.
Older diesels (pre 15) aren’t as good value as they were, and cars in general are that little bit more expensive than they were a few years ago.

As you were so, or until Brexit transition period ends in December.

bazz26 · 04-07-2020 2:52pm

The Nox charge they introduced at the beginning of this year on top of VRT has reduced the savings on older stuff especially pre Euro6 diesel cars. There is no one size fits all rule regarding savings though.

deezell · 04-07-2020 6:06pm

6 wrote: »

Bought a car in the UK a few years ago. Saved a few quid and got a much higher spec.

Is it still worthwhile going over to buy? Are savings as good as they were in 2018?

According to some UK media used prices are down due to Covid, upcoming brexit etc. Euro 6 diesels not so badly hit by Nox charge, as the diesel VRT dropped by 1% on its introduction. Some good value in Mercedes from about 2014 on with 100-110 mg Co2 emissions, low VRT rate, about €2370 inc Nox.. Biggest difference is the exchage rate, currently about 2% better at the moment than 'a few years ago', though last year in August I exchanged at almost £0.92 to the €, saved over 3% by fortunate timing, about €500 on my purchase. Right now it's just over .90, so I would consider this a positive factor. I'd be shopping about now if I was in the market, after Dec 31st there will probably be 23% VAT added, which will tear the h**e out of private importing, and possibly dealer importing also, as most UK used cars cannot recover UK VAT on export. Expect indigenous used stock here to leap up in price.

Top Dog · 04-07-2020 9:17pm

deezell wrote: »

According to some UK media used prices are down due to Covid, upcoming brexit etc.

I'm following an interesting thread on pistonheads for the least few weeks, and it seems used cars are holding their prices, and in many cases going for more than book value at auctions. Traders are struggling to get good used stock to replace the units they've sold. Lots of sales due to pent up demand.

User1998 · 04-07-2020 9:28pm

I’ve been watching Golf GTE’s on Autotrader recently and two I had my eye on were increased by £1,000

Importing from the UK - definitive guide (Q and A)

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