Climate change protests

Tell me how · 18-03-2019 12:44pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

so has climate change been solved after these protests?

You mean like every other one shot protest that resolved the issue which they were campaigning against with just one demonstration?

Civil rights, anti-apartheid, repeal of the 8th, same sex marriage, Brexit/Remain, yellow vest protests. All these are famous for only having had to happen once.

magicbastarder · 18-03-2019 1:12pm

to be fair, if one-shot protests *did* work, i'd be out protesting about stupid online straw man arguments.

whisky_galore · 18-03-2019 1:18pm

Tell me how wrote: »

You mean like every other one shot protest that resolved the issue which they were campaigning against with just one demonstration?

Civil rights, anti-apartheid, repeal of the 8th, same sex marriage, Brexit/Remain, yellow vest protests. All these are famous for only having had to happen once.

Most of those had very deep rooted or were series of protests and campaigns over many years. They didn't pop up out of a vacuum.

Tell me how · 18-03-2019 1:23pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

Most of those had very deep rooted or were series of protests and campaigns over many years. They didn't pop up out of a vacuum.

Is the campaign about climate change any different?

Harika · 18-03-2019 1:25pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

Most of those had very deep rooted or were series of protests and campaigns over many years. They didn't pop up out of a vacuum.

Did they start at some point?

sonic85 · 18-03-2019 1:48pm

If there was a law brought in banning non recyclable materials that would be a start. The amount of packaging that can't be recycled is unreal. Were swimming in waste and it's fcuking disgusting

whisky_galore · 18-03-2019 2:04pm

Tell me how wrote: »

Is the campaign about climate change any different?

"Green" costs money. Governments and the general public don't like spending money they think they don't have to.
You know this already.

20Cent · 18-03-2019 2:14pm

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Yeah right, they’ll be all back living like we did in the 70’s when they leave school.

Looks like our little climate angel isn’t all she’s cracked up to be.

https://www.thegwpf.com/greta-thunberg-pr-puppet-or-climate-figurehead/

It's not really an equal argument.
One side: Unanimous agreement amongst the top scientists in the field climate change is a serious issue.

Denier Side: But her mom works in PR and Leo DeCaprio flies in a plane.

Dakota Dan · 18-03-2019 2:17pm

magicbastarder wrote: »

note the use of *were driven* instead of *drove*.
again, blame the children for the choices of their parents.

Yeah the adults had to twist their arms to get on the car as they wanted to walk instead. If you believe they are so enlightened about the environment why have they enlightened their parents about it and get them to ditch their cars.

Dakota Dan · 18-03-2019 2:23pm

Tell me how wrote: »

The thought of Dakota Dan hanging around outside a school watching children for an extended period is somewhat sinister.

Do you always dream up strange fantasies to win an argument?

18-03-2019 2:27pm

gozunda wrote: »

And these in the main are the 'young' people of Ireland...

The excuses why so much rubbish / good tents / sleeping bags / Wellingtons were thrown away beggrered belief

I attended concerts and festivals over many years and still have the (crap) tent from the very first festival I went to many decades ago. And our disposable generation are now screaming it's others fault?

"Young people of Ireland we love you"

:rolleyes:

I seem to remember a few years ago that organisers of one music festival said that all tents and sleeping bags left would be donated to homeless charities. So, don’t be blaming the youth of Ireland for thinking that they were actually doing a good deed.

Dakota Dan · 18-03-2019 2:32pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I seem to remember a few years ago that organisers of one music festival said that all tents and sleeping bags left would be donated to homeless charities. So, don’t be blaming the youth of Ireland for thinking that they were actually doing a good deed.

So why did they leave their rubbish aw well then? The only reason they gave them to charity is because they were left behind as well as plenty other rubbish.

Dakota Dan · 18-03-2019 2:34pm

Children frightened by climate change.

https://climatelessons.blogspot.com/p/climate-anxiety-reports-of-frightened.html?m=1

18-03-2019 2:37pm

Dakota Dan wrote: »

So why did they leave their rubbish aw well then? The only reason they gave them to charity is because they were left behind as well as plenty other rubbish.

I don’t think that they DID give any to charity. It was just an empty PR stunt.

There’s no doubting the Irish syche which says that someone else will do it, no matter what “it” is, rubbish collected, housing etc.

20Cent · 18-03-2019 2:41pm

How many under 18's go to the electric picnic? Very few.

magicbastarder · 18-03-2019 2:43pm

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Yeah the adults had to twist their arms to get on the car as they wanted to walk instead. If you believe they are so enlightened about the environment why have they enlightened their parents about it and get them to ditch their cars.

Dakota Dan is Louise Mensch and i claim my €10.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3252FSW7OC4

Dakota Dan · 18-03-2019 2:45pm

20Cent wrote: »

How many under 18's go to the electric picnic? Very few.

So when the 16 year olds this year go there in two years time the place will be spotless after them?

20Cent · 18-03-2019 2:47pm

gozunda · 18-03-2019 2:49pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I seem to remember a few years ago that organisers of one music festival said that all tents and sleeping bags left would be donated to homeless charities. So, don’t be blaming the youth of Ireland for thinking that they were actually doing a good deed.

'Said' indeed. Pious words and intentions which little if any were recycled or reused. Much of the tents and sleeping bags left behind were thrashed or rendered unusable afaik. Like f*ck they 'were actually doing a good deed" . These lazy arsed concert goers were quite happy to participate in throwaway consumerism whilst others of the same generation are virtue signaling. Thanks but I dont need to be lectured by a generation of litter louts all the same.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/electric-picnic-2018-reckless-revellers-13192251

20Cent · 18-03-2019 3:03pm

gozunda wrote: »

'Said' indeed. Pious words and intentions which little if any were recycled or reused. Much of the tents and sleeping bags left behind were thrashed or rendered unusable afaik. Like f*ck they 'were actually doing a good deed" . These lazy arsed concert goers were quite happy to participate in throwaway consumerism whilst others of the same generation are virtue signaling. Thanks but I dont need to be lectured by a generation of litter louts all the same.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/electric-picnic-2018-reckless-revellers-13192251

Cos schoolkids go to the electric picnic.

Harika · 18-03-2019 3:13pm

20Cent wrote: »

Cos schoolkids go to the electric picnic.

But in some years all of them will and all of them will behave like pigs, that is the only way that it will happen. Happend in the past, happens now and will happen again! :rolleyes:

suicide_circus · 18-03-2019 3:25pm

climate change will be solved when people accept that their standard of living in terms of convenience needs to go way down

Harika · 18-03-2019 3:37pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

climate change will be solved when people accept that their standard of living in terms of convenience needs to go way down

How would the standard of living shrinking, when you use less packaging and throw less stuff away or use public transport more often?

RHJ · 18-03-2019 3:40pm

If we implemented proper policies in relation public transport and expanding cycling infrastructure in cities, then the quality of life for many would go up rather than down, and if we were to roll out nuclear power, then that would also benefit people by keeping electricity prices stable.

Auntie Semite · 18-03-2019 3:45pm

I think these protests are astroturfing in preparation for significant tax increases coming down the line.
Emotional blackmail in order to get people to accept the taxes.

20Cent · 18-03-2019 4:23pm

Auntie Semite wrote: »

I think these protests are astroturfing in preparation for significant tax increases coming down the line.
Emotional blackmail in order to get people to accept the taxes.

Let me guess George Soros is behind it?

magicbastarder · 18-03-2019 4:33pm

significant tax increases on tinfoil hats, hopefully.

18-03-2019 4:38pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

climate change will be solved when people accept that their standard of living in terms of convenience needs to go way down

Harika wrote: »

How would the standard of living shrinking, when you use less packaging and throw less stuff away or use public transport more often?

I think he's referring to the business leaders who profit from the wastefullness of consumerism & planned obsolescence. They will see a huge drop in their standard of living as they're forced to forget about the €20million yacht and settle for the 10 million one instead.

gozunda · 18-03-2019 5:32pm

20Cent wrote: »

Cos schoolkids go to the electric picnic.

So the 18 year olds of this year are massively different from next year yeah? You do know a generation is not a single year. And those who are18 and in school and go? That detailed above or are you more into whatabouterty?

Franz Von Peppercorn · 18-03-2019 5:37pm

This thread is a bit of a car crash, all things considered.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 18-03-2019 5:38pm

Auntie Semite wrote: »

I think these protests are astroturfing in preparation for significant tax increases coming down the line.
Emotional blackmail in order to get people to accept the taxes.

So you think the young people are being mind controlled?

is_that_so · 18-03-2019 5:46pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

So you think the young people are being mind controlled?

They are doing what young people and students do, protest. Mind controlled? No, but there is an element of following a fad about it. That said, I see it is a very good thing and a big issue to be pushed. The question is where it goes and how it evolves. Protests alone will get old very fast.

Dakota Dan · 18-03-2019 5:56pm

RHJ wrote: »

If we implemented proper policies in relation public transport and expanding cycling infrastructure in cities, then the quality of life for many would go up rather than down, and if we were to roll out nuclear power, then that would also benefit people by keeping electricity prices stable.

Nuclear power stations in the US are losing money because gas is so cheap.

suicide_circus · 18-03-2019 6:20pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I think he's referring to the business leaders who profit from the wastefullness of consumerism & planned obsolescence. They will see a huge drop in their standard of living as they're forced to forget about the €20million yacht and settle for the 10 million one instead.

yes partly. but also stuff like low cost disposable fashion, a new phone upgrade every year, cheap flights - stuff the great unwashed enjoy.

18-03-2019 6:41pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

yes partly. but also stuff like low cost disposable fashion, a new phone upgrade every year, cheap flights - stuff the great unwashed enjoy.

Successful marketing in action.

Create a desire, provide a "fix", sell the product = profit!
Consumers need educating into the waste that they're buying into.

20Cent · 18-03-2019 6:45pm

gozunda wrote: »

So the 18 year olds of this year are massively different from next year yeah? You do know a generation is not a single year. And those who are18 and in school and go? That detailed above or are you more into whatabouterty?

Electric pincnic is the festival for the old farts. If you've ever been most people are older at it. Yeah 18 year olds attitudes definitely change. Being green is much more important to this generation than any before. Attitudes change over time.

gozunda · 18-03-2019 8:08pm

20Cent wrote: »

Electric pincnic is the festival for the old farts. If you've ever been most people are older at it. Yeah 18 year olds attitudes definitely change. Being green is much more important to this generation than any before. Attitudes change over time.

Old farts? You mean people over 18 lol

Nope. I was in school when Environmental issues saw its first big push. Recycling, acid rain, rainforest destruction, you name it.

As kids we had very little cash to spend. What was - was minded. Tents were patched and taken home. If you left behind anything your Ma would have killed you whilst you lived at home and even if you didn't all there was little or no throwaway culture as money wasnt there. Fast forward to now we have kids virtue signaling about the old farts whilst living in a disposable culture and inhabiting a universe of social media virtue signaling. They can fek off with that rubbish.

Tell me how · 18-03-2019 8:10pm

gozunda wrote: »

Old farts? You mean people over 18 lol

Nope. I was in school when Environmental issues saw its first big push. Recycling, acid rain, rainforest destruction, you name it.

As kids we had very little cash to spend. What was was minded. Tents were patched and taken home. If you left behind anything your Ma would have killed you whilst you lived at home and even if you didn't all there was little or no throwaway culture as money wasnt there. Fast forward to now we have kids virtue signaling about the old farts whilst living in a disposable culture and inhabiting a universe of social media virtue signaling. They can fek off with that rubbish.

So are you going to start your own climate change demonstrations because you surely know more about the damage which has been and is being done than those pesky kids.

20Cent · 18-03-2019 8:11pm

gozunda wrote: »

Old farts? You mean people over 18 lol

Nope. I was in school when Environmental issues saw its first big push. Recycling, acid rain, rainforest destruction, you name it.

As kids we had very little cash to spend. What was was minded. Tents were patched and taken home. If you left behind anything your Ma would have killed you whilst you lived at home and even if you didn't all there was little or no throwaway culture as money wasnt there. Fast forward to now we have kids virtue signaling about the old farts whilst living in a disposable culture and inhabiting a universe of social media virtue signaling. They can fek off with that rubbish.

Threads about schoolkids. Crowd at EP tend to be older as in 30's.

Claiming virtue signalling is the lazy way of dismissing concerns.

gozunda · 18-03-2019 8:33pm

Tell me how wrote: »

So are you going to start your own climate change demonstrations because you surely know more about the damage which has been and is being done than those pesky kids.

Lol. 'Demostations' being the word ... sweet lord

Harangue the poster & etc rather than the post ... :rolleyes:

gozunda · 18-03-2019 8:37pm

20Cent wrote: »

Threads about schoolkids. Crowd at EP tend to be older as in 30's.

Claiming virtue signalling is the lazy way of dismissing concerns.

Ooooh 30s - definitely 'old farts'! Btw Just in case you'd missed it - we are talking about all youngsters even those up to 30! . Most really don't have a fracking clue imo. But that wont stop a lot of them using any excuse to bunk a day of school or if very slightly older pontificate to the rest of us on social media...

20Cent · 18-03-2019 8:42pm

There is literally no point talking to climate change deniars at this stage. If the science can't convince them best leave them to their ignorance.

NIMAN · 18-03-2019 8:45pm

20Cent wrote: »

There is literally no point talking to climate change deniars at this stage. If the science can't convince them best leave them to their ignorance.

Thought just popped into my head, what percentage of those who listen to the science and know that climate change is real, still believe in God?

gozunda · 18-03-2019 8:48pm

20Cent wrote: »

There is literally no point talking to climate change deniars at this stage. If the science can't convince them best leave them to their ignorance.

Very worthwhile taking the moral high ground there - once the sea level rises it will come in handy for certain ...

magicbastarder · 18-03-2019 8:51pm

you have to hand it to the 'goddamn good for nothing schoolkids' crowd, to be fair.
they've had us arguing about things the kids at the protest definitely did not do (i.e. make **** of the campsite at electric picnic) and about things they've claimed with no actual evidence (that they were all driven to the protest in SUVs or summat; or that they probably littered the place beyond recognition).
rather than actually arguing the merits of the message, they're urinating on the messenger.

18-03-2019 9:06pm

NIMAN wrote: »

Thought just popped into my head, what percentage of those who listen to the science and know that climate change is real, still believe in God?

Probably far too many!

Tell me how · 18-03-2019 9:44pm

whisky_galore wrote: »

"Green" costs money. Governments and the general public don't like spending money they think they don't have to.
You know this already.

They do have to.

gozunda · 18-03-2019 9:59pm

magicbastarder wrote: »

you have to hand it to the 'goddamn good for nothing schoolkids' crowd, to be fair.
they've had us arguing about things the kids at the protest definitely did not do (i.e. make **** of the campsite at electric picnic) and about things they've claimed with no actual evidence (that they were all driven to the protest in SUVs or summat; or that they probably littered the place beyond recognition).
rather than actually arguing the merits of the message, they're urinating on the messenger.

Yeah sure - if you don't read the comments and try to split hairs instead. Nasty thing hair splitting - I hear its caused by bad climatic conditions ...

whisky_galore · 18-03-2019 10:12pm

Tell me how wrote: »

They do have to.

Well, duh...

Tell me how · 18-03-2019 10:39pm

gozunda wrote: »

Yeah sure - if you don't read the comments and try to split hairs instead. Nasty thing hair splitting - I hear its caused by bad climatic conditions ...

This makes no sense. Was that intentional?

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