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Do you think nurses will get their payrise?

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  • #352
    Alrigghtythen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Alrigghtythen


    mad muffin wrote: »
    What pay slip? I know first hand ;)

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/attachment.php?attachmentid=470003&d=1547072548

    mad muffin wrote: »
    These allowances aren’t worth **** when their monthly tax, fees and levies are more than their take home pay.


  • #353
    Twenty Grand
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭Twenty Grand


    road_high wrote: »
    It isn’t there. These people want a blank chewue courtesy of the state. The state can’t afford it, simple as that.
    Says who? The state can afford lots of things. It can afford a huge overrun of the children's hospital. It can afford extra TDs pay.

    It can afford anything if they want to spend the money.


  • #354
    The Enbalmer
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭The Enbalmer


    Twenty Grand wrote: »
    road_high wrote: »
    It isn’t there. These people want a blank chewue courtesy of the state. The state can’t afford it, simple as that.
    Says who? The state can afford lots of things. It can afford a huge overrun of the children's hospital. It can afford extra TDs pay.

    It can afford anything if they want to spend the money.

    Dont forget a 5 euro increase per week for the dole and a Christmas "bonus" for working so hard all year not finding work.


  • #355
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    The Enbalmer wrote: »
    Dont forget a 5 euro increase per week for the dole and a Christmas "bonus" for working so hard all year not finding work.

    Classic. I do love a reference to the aul' Christmas bonus given by the same government who vet and pay out money allowing us to spit on these people whenever we're not happy with something else government do.


  • #356
    wat24
    Registered Users Posts: 150 ✭✭wat24


    Just for more clarity on deductions and tax this is my payslip for two weeks as I said before I’m six years qualified.


  • #357
    HamSarris
    Registered Users Posts: 109 ✭✭HamSarris


    Under FOI the HSE released the statistics on nursing pay in 2012. This was prior to a number of public sector pay rises in recent years.

    > €140,000 – 3
    > €100,000 – 70
    €90,000 - €100,000 = 108 (0.5%)
    €80,000 - €90,000 = 351 (2%)
    €70,000 - €80,000 = 834 (4%)
    €60,000 - €70,000 = 3,364 (15%)
    €50,000 - €60,000 = 7,478 (33%
    €40,000 - €50,000 = 6,064 (27%)
    €30,000 - €40,000 = 4,026 (18%)

    What it illustrates is that when basic pay, overtime and allowances is taking into account, nursing pay isn't that bad. The median wage is in the €50,000-60,000 region.

    I actually think nurses deserve a slight increase but the amount being sought would put the median wage close to €60,000, well above the median wage of all workers in Ireland (approx. €41,000).


  • #358
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,946 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Tell me how wrote: »
    So, the one with more experience and responsibility is on the same as the newly qualified?
    eagle eye wrote: »
    I'm not the policy maker.

    Nor am I.

    But what do you think? Should the wage for a nurse start at 70k and stay there in your view?


  • #359
    mikeym
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,985 ✭✭✭mikeym


    I support the Nurses they do fantastic work!

    And its pay restoration!!!


  • #360
    wat24
    Registered Users Posts: 150 ✭✭wat24


    With regards overtime if I do a 13 hour shift as overtime during the week I get paid around an extra 160 euro so my wages would then be 700 for a 52 hour week working Monday-Saturday


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  • #361
    Gringo180
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,205 ✭✭✭Gringo180


    Divide and Conquer works great in Ireland. Meanwhile the politicians are getting another payrise in the coming weeks if I heard right.


  • #362
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,946 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Gringo180 wrote: »
    Divide and Conquer works great in Ireland. Meanwhile the politicians are getting another payrise in the coming weeks if I heard right.

    They are. 1.75%. In September I think. As part of the public sector pay deal. Nurses are due to get the same.


  • #363
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    wat24 wrote: »
    Just for more clarity on deductions and tax this is my payslip for two weeks as I said before I’m six years qualified.

    I hope you get the raise.
    You're on a losing battle with some on here no matter what you post. If you have a problem you're the problem seems to be the mantra. Beats doing anything about it.


  • #364
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,946 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    I hope you get the raise.
    You're on a losing battle with some on here no matter what you post. If you have a problem you're the problem seems to be the mantra. Beats doing anything about it.

    That's being entirely disingenuous.

    I think nurses need to be well paid for the service they provide.
    If the average nurse earnings is 57K per annum, in my mind, that is well paid for the role.

    What do you think?


  • #365
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,753 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Gringo180 wrote: »
    Divide and Conquer works great in Ireland. Meanwhile the politicians are getting another payrise in the coming weeks if I heard right.

    TDs are getting the exact same pay restoration as any similar public servant.

    No extra.

    People say "they voted themselves a pay rise" - they did not.

    Their pay is linked to a civil service grade.

    If that CS grade gets pay restoration, then so do TDs.


  • #366
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    nurses should be paid one hundred billion dollars


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  • #367
    Alrigghtythen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Alrigghtythen


    wat24 wrote: »
    With regards overtime if I do a 13 hour shift as overtime during the week I get paid around an extra 160 euro so my wages would then be 700 for a 52 hour week working Monday-Saturday

    Would 78 hours/ forthnight be standard?


  • #368
    wat24
    Registered Users Posts: 150 ✭✭wat24


    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    Would 78 hours/ forthnight be standard?

    Ye full time contract is 39 hours a week so 78 hours would be in the fortnightly pay. There is a variety of contracts such as 20 hours 30 hours 34 hours but most newly qualified would be the 39 hour contract and it’s very difficult to get your hours reduced. One girl I worked with ending up leaving for a private hospital because when she came back from maternity leave she wanted to go from 39 hours to 30 hours a week and management wouldn’t allow it.


  • #369
    Martina1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,545 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    MrMusician18 wrote:
    5 hrs to be seen by a doctor and another 2 to 2.5 hrs for the drugs to be administered. And only because I asked for them.

    The elderly man next to me was left without his medication all night despite being seen by three junior doctors.
    Getting medication in a hospital isnt like ordering from Supermacs. The pharmacy department would have been busy preparing and dispensing medication for other ill patients and people who were seen before you.

    Asking the doctor or nurse 100 times isn't going to speed up the other processes at work that you dont see.


  • #370
    Alrigghtythen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭Alrigghtythen


    wat24 wrote: »
    Ye full time contract is 39 hours a week so 78 hours would be in the fortnightly pay. There is a variety of contracts such as 20 hours 30 hours 34 hours but most newly qualified would be the 39 hour contract and it’s very difficult to get your hours reduced. One girl I worked with ending up leaving for a private hospital because when she came back from maternity leave she wanted to go from 39 hours to 30 hours a week and management wouldn’t allow it.

    My company (not nursing) wouldn't allow it either.

    Getting your hours reduced depends on the role. If the hospital has a role for a full time nurse, that's what they need. Taking on 2 people to split the hours between them would cost more and not meet their needs.


  • #371
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    wat24 wrote: »
    Just for more clarity on deductions and tax this is my payslip for two weeks as I said before I’m six years qualified.


    Why did you not mention that you will be getting increases with each passing year as you move up the salary scale on top of additional increases coming as part of the over all public pay increases?


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  • #372
    wat24
    Registered Users Posts: 150 ✭✭wat24


    Alrigghtythen wrote: »
    My company (not nursing) wouldn't allow it either.

    Getting your hours reduced depends on the role. If the hospital has a role for a full time nurse, that's what they need. Taking on 2 people to split the hours between them would cost more and not meet their needs.

    Ye I agree with you there. The problem was they were finding it impossible to recruit anyone at the time so they lost very experienced staff that they couldn’t replace for the sake of a few hours. An awful lot of radiologists left our hospital for the same reason too but they managed to recruit more a lot easier


  • #373
    hawkelady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,357 ✭✭✭hawkelady


    All these posts about pay scales and overtime. Overtime shouldn’t be brought into it . If there was enough nurses , they shouldn’t have to do overtime ...


  • #374
    wat24
    Registered Users Posts: 150 ✭✭wat24


    salonfire wrote: »
    Why did you not mention that you will be getting increases with each passing year as you move up the salary scale on top of additional increases coming as part of the over all public pay increases?

    I never denied that I was just stating what I’m personally on at the moment. The salary scales are on the inmo website showing the increments, once I reach the top of the scale in a few years I still won’t be near 55,000 which is being stated as the average. The big money is in management really


  • #375
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,597 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    Getting medication in a hospital isnt like ordering from Supermacs. The pharmacy department would have been busy preparing and dispensing medication for other ill patients and people who were seen before you.

    Asking the doctor or nurse 100 times isn't going to speed up the other processes at work that you dont see.

    Funnily enough it did, when I got to talk to the one nurse that didn't grunt at me.
    Nurse: "The prescription is with the doctor"
    Me: "The doctor was with me hours ago, please check the prescriptions in the drug room"
    2 mins later:
    "Oh it's here, I'll get that filled for you"
    30mins later I get it in a cup on my trolley.

    I'm not so self centered to think things will be instant for me, but there was no sense of urgency at all in the dept, for anyone.

    When you can see staff chatting, joking and idling and arguing when you and your neighbours need attention it gets to you after a few hours. None of us were there for fun, we were there because we needed to be there.


  • #376
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,597 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    hawkelady wrote: »
    All these posts about pay scales and overtime. Overtime shouldn’t be brought into it . If there was enough nurses , they shouldn’t have to do overtime ...

    They'd go on strike if you took away their overtime too.


  • #377
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    hawkelady wrote: »
    All these posts about pay scales and overtime. Overtime shouldn’t be brought into it . If there was enough nurses , they shouldn’t have to do overtime ...

    Hmmm most companies have overtime.

    I don’t get your point??


  • #378
    TCM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 736 ✭✭✭TCM


    Mad_maxx wrote:
    37 hours, average salary is 55k per annum not including overtime


    That's a load of trot. Completely untrue.


  • #379
    TCM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 736 ✭✭✭TCM


    professore wrote:
    The laundry room position will still be stuck down at that level several years hence.


    And rightly so.


  • #380
    TCM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 736 ✭✭✭TCM


    professore wrote:
    Not attacking nurses specifically but then they should become laundry room employees instead if it's so much better.

    Why don't you make a sensible contribution?


  • #381
    hawkelady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,357 ✭✭✭hawkelady


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Hmmm most companies have overtime.

    I don’t get your point??

    If there is a full compliment of staff in any company , there should be no need for ot .. but there isn’t a full compliment of nurses which is why agency nurses are being hired at €60+/hr to fill the gap.
    Granted there is ot expected for , let’s say, accountants coming towards the end of oct but I’m lead to believe ot is ongoing all year round in hospitals , it’s expected. I see the pna have said today that they are beginning their strike on Jan 30 by cutting out all overtime. Crazy times


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  • #382
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    hawkelady wrote: »
    If there is a full compliment of staff in any company , there should be no need for ot .. but there isn’t a full compliment of nurses which is why agency nurses are being hired at €60+/hr to fill the gap.
    Granted there is ot expected for , let’s say, accountants coming towards the end of oct but I’m lead to believe ot is ongoing all year round in hospitals , it’s expected. I see the pna have said today that they are beginning their strike on Jan 30 by cutting out all overtime. Crazy times

    Exactly but like 99% of companies there is overtime just like there is in hospitals.

    Have you a solution?

    Communitsm maybe?


  • #383
    hawkelady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,357 ✭✭✭hawkelady


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Exactly but like 99% of companies there is overtime just like there is in hospitals.

    Have you a solution?

    Communitsm maybe?

    No solution. What happens if a company loses 6 employees out of 30 and the md suggests the the remaining 24 staff pick up the workload by doing ot because he can’t recruit new staff !!!! Probably all we’ll and good in the beginning but after a year I can see the 24 becoming fairly upset


  • #384
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,946 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    hawkelady wrote: »
    If there is a full compliment of staff in any company , there should be no need for ot .. but there isn’t a full compliment of nurses which is why agency nurses are being hired at €60+/hr to fill the gap.
    Granted there is ot expected for , let’s say, accountants coming towards the end of oct but I’m lead to believe ot is ongoing all year round in hospitals , it’s expected. I see the pna have said today that they are beginning their strike on Jan 30 by cutting out all overtime. Crazy times

    Going by the average, there isn't a full commitment of nurses because many of them aren't nursing because they have some form of nursing management roles.

    The money is there. It's just being spent incorrectly through inefficient structures it seems.


  • #385
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    They should paid well for the 39 hours.

    No overtime, just leads down the road of errors

    And none of this f******ing martyr stuff about not getting a break

    Organise breaks when they are due or as close as possible and take them





    Truck drivers have to do similar :



    Driver fatigue is a known risk factor in road collisions.

    Fatigue can cause loss of concentration or, worse, lead to a driver falling asleep at the wheel. Fatigue is a significant factor in heavy commercial vehicle crashes.

    EU law regulates the driving time of professional drivers using goods vehicles over 3.5t (including trailers) and passenger vehicles with more than 8 passenger seats.

    The key requirements are that you must not drive:

    Without a break for more than 4.5 hours. After driving for 4.5 hours, a break of at least 45 minutes is mandatory.
    You can distribute that break over the 4.5 hours by taking a 15 minute break followed by a 30 minute break.
    For more than nine hours per day or 56 hours per week.
    This may be extended to 10 hours no more than twice during a week
    More than 90 hours in two consecutive weeks

    There are also strict regulations regarding the average working time and the amount of rest that must be taken daily and weekly.


    Tachographs

    Tachographs are instruments that measure the amount of time a driver is on the road.


    Both are fitted in the cab of trucks and buses and are used to monitor compliance with driver hours’ legislation.


  • #386
    kala85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,907 ✭✭✭kala85


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    They should let them know the pay rates before they sign up to stop them becoming nurses and then not agreeing with the pay..........

    They did and there wages were cut in the recession.

    Femi, pension levy, unpaid Croke Park hours weren't there when they signed up


  • #387
    goldlocks10
    Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭goldlocks10


    Pay the nurses get staff. Where are the staff? They are not in Ireland. Recruit over seas. In Oz you have 4 patients to 1 nurse, care is great. In Ireland you have 10-12 patient to 1 nurse. I know who I want going after me.


  • #388
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    kala85 wrote: »
    They did and there wages were cut in the recession.

    Femi, pension levy, unpaid Croke Park hours weren't there when they signed up

    What's your point?

    Lots of people signed up to jobs and a salary. For many, the job disappeared altogether during the recession.


  • #389
    s7ryf3925pivug
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,007 ✭✭✭s7ryf3925pivug


    looking at payscales, some of the location allowances are solid kicks in the face. A couple of grand a year to work in a n A&E or a NICU is outrageous.

    I'm guessing they're looking for general raises. Their salaries aren't great but striking is a ****ty thing to do. The government could take the angle of significantly increasing some of the allowances which would be a fair and reasonable thing to do, but would not seem like they can be dictated to by unions or seriously encourage strikes in other sectors


  • #390
    kala85
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,907 ✭✭✭kala85


    salonfire wrote: »
    What's your point?

    Lots of people signed up to jobs and a salary. For many, the job disappeared altogether during the recession.

    The rates of pay changed. I'm just explaining yo the other poster that what they signed up for, they didnt get.

    Yes other people were cut in the recession but a lot of jobs are back up again.


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  • #391
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Jaime Refined Rink wrote: »
    looking at payscales, some of the location allowances are solid kicks in the face. A couple of grand a year to work in a n A&E or a NICU is outrageous.

    I'm guessing they're looking for general raises. Their salaries aren't great but striking is a ****ty thing to do. The government could take the angle of significantly increasing some of the allowances which would be a fair and reasonable thing to do, but would not seem like they can be dictated to by unions or seriously encourage strikes in other sectors

    There should be a decent location allowance given to all public sector workers in Dublin due to the cost of living there.


  • #392
    kona
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,525 ✭✭✭kona


    salonfire wrote: »
    There should be a decent location allowance given to all public sector workers in Dublin due to the cost of living there.

    Then benchmark the private sector off it.


  • #393
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,819 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    salonfire wrote: »
    There should be a decent location allowance given to all public sector workers in Dublin due to the cost of living there.

    Would only drive up rental prices even further.


  • #394
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,478 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    To be fair they find it when they want to.

    But you don’t “find money”. You borrow or take it from someone or somewhere else. Clearly our education system is failing here big time. No wonder we are one of the most personally indebted nations on the planet if the standard answer is “we’ll get it somewhere”...if thats now the standard approach to managing money


  • #395
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,478 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    goldlocks10 wrote: »
    Pay the nurses get staff. Where are the staff? They are not in Ireland. Recruit over seas. In Oz you have 4 patients to 1 nurse, care is great. In Ireland you have 10-12 patient to 1 nurse. I know who I want going after me.

    Why is our nurse to population ratio the third highest in Europe? Where are all these nurses?


  • #396
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,478 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Twenty Grand wrote: »
    Says who? The state can afford lots of things. It can afford a huge overrun of the children's hospital. It can afford extra TDs pay.

    It can afford anything if they want to spend the money.

    This is an incredible statement. How can it afford anything? There’s a finite pool of cash from which they can take tax. After that you’re borrowing on the money markets or selling state assets.
    Kamikaze stuff from some posters here, this will Land is back in 2009 make no mistake


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  • #397
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,478 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Gringo180 wrote: »
    Divide and Conquer works great in Ireland. Meanwhile the politicians are getting another payrise in the coming weeks if I heard right.

    I don’t see it as such, I can very much make my own mind to thanks.
    And I don’t agree with pay increases for politicians at this time either, the optics of it are terrible and illustrates the irresponsible behavior goes right to the top. There’s multiple more nurses and health staff hence a massively larger burden for the state.


  • #398
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,478 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Exactly but like 99% of companies there is overtime just like there is in hospitals.

    Have you a solution?

    Communitsm maybe?

    I’ve worked in companies where there was no overtime- you were on a salary and that was that. Many times had to work overtime during busy periods. Such is life in real world.


  • #399
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,819 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    road_high wrote: »
    This is an incredible statement. How can it afford anything? There’s a finite pool of cash from which they can take tax. After that you’re borrowing on the money markets or selling state assets.
    Kamikaze stuff from some posters here, this will Land is back in 2009 make no mistake

    But there is some truth in all this kamikaze talk. We do put up with over runs in costs, be they for hospitals, motorways, tunnels, national aquatic centres and a myriad of other state prpjects.

    When politicians are asked or held accountable they bat these over runs aside with farcical answers and reasons.

    Why should people then believe them when payclaims are rejected just because the same politicians say 'we can't afford it'?


  • #400
    [Deleted User]
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    road_high wrote: »
    This is an incredible statement. How can it afford anything? There’s a finite pool of cash from which they can take tax. After that you’re borrowing on the money markets or selling state assets.
    Kamikaze stuff from some posters here, this will Land is back in 2009 make no mistake

    Yep. Very disheartening to see nothing has been learned form the harsh lessons we were dealt just a few years ago.

    The country just about broke even last year. And that was on the back of large windfalls from Corporation Tax that no one was expecting or knows where the hell it all come from.

    And now people are clamouring to increase spending on salaries (which is permanent) based on another boom.


  • #401
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,478 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    But there is some truth in all this kamikaze talk. We do put up with over runs in costs, be they for hospitals, motorways, tunnels, national aquatic centres and a myriad of other state prpjects.

    When politicians are asked or held accountable they bat these over runs aside with farcical answers and reasons.

    Why should people then believe them when payclaims are rejected just because the same politicians say 'we can't afford it'?

    For capital projects in recent years there are very tight controls on cost over runs. They basically don't happen anymore once a project is underway. They tightened all that up about 15 years ago.


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