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View Poll Results: Will you taking the talked about rushed September vaccine?
Yes 417 36.87%
No 166 14.68%
I'll wait upto 6 months after to see if there's side effects 275 24.31%
I'll wait 12 months after to be on the safe side 149 13.17%
I won't be taking any Covid vaccine ever 124 10.96%
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24-10-2020, 00:11   #4051
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Fantastic news about J&J today. The participant had a stroke which was not linked to the vaccine itself.
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24-10-2020, 00:20   #4052
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what do we do when we get acceess to vaccine? i presume we will still have level 3 restrictions. will the government keep these levels forever now, like use level 3 for winter flu season every year or two?
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24-10-2020, 00:27   #4053
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what do we do when we get acceess to vaccine? i presume we will still have level 3 restrictions. will the government keep these levels forever now, like use level 3 for winter flu season every year or two?
To what end? All of this is terrible for the overall economy. Once it's safe for this to end, it ends. Eventually it will just be a bit of a weird memory.
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24-10-2020, 05:17   #4054
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I found this it makes some very good points. A Vaccine isn't going to end the pandemic. Not for some years.

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He said those hoping for a breakthrough to end the pandemic would be disappointed, with some vaccines likely to reduce the risk of Covid-19 infection by only 30%.

"None of the trials currently under way are designed to detect a reduction in any serious outcome such as hospital admissions, use of intensive care, or deaths," he said.

"Nor are the vaccines being studied to determine whether they can interrupt transmission of the virus."

A linked editorial in the BMJ medical journal comments on the release of the Covid-19 vaccine trial protocols.
30% isn't going to end the need for lockdowns.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1022/11...effectiveness/

I think people need to lower their expectations.
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I found this it makes some very good points. A Vaccine isn't going to end the pandemic. Not for some years.



30% isn't going to end the need for lockdowns.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1022/11...effectiveness/

I think people need to lower their expectations.


This was previously discussed.
This is an opinion piece. Given by someone who has not seen any data because the trials are still ongoing. It's literally as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike
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24-10-2020, 06:14   #4056
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Fantastic news about J&J today. The participant had a stroke which was not linked to the vaccine itself.
Well ...sobering news for the man and family. Reassuring news for the rest of us....everyone counts!



I hope he is ok!
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24-10-2020, 06:37   #4057
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I found this it makes some very good points. A Vaccine isn't going to end the pandemic. Not for some years.



30% isn't going to end the need for lockdowns.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1022/11...effectiveness/

I think people need to lower their expectations.
Where has this 30% thing come from?

Obviously we'd all love for it to give 100% immunity, but my main reason for thinking the efficiency must be decent is the amount of money the companies have spent on it.

Surely to god there's no way in hell that Pfizer would had spent over 2 billion, on the logistical aspects of their product, if it only offered immunity to a mere 30% of the users.
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I found this it makes some very good points. A Vaccine isn't going to end the pandemic. Not for some years.



30% isn't going to end the need for lockdowns.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1022/11...effectiveness/

I think people need to lower their expectations.
An opinion piece which suits RTE's harbinger of doom drumbeat.
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24-10-2020, 07:11   #4059
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Managing director of Pfizer Ireland just so happens to be named Paul Reid.

Meanwhile HSE Paul Reid, has said a "population distribution" plan is being developed to decide how a potential vaccine will be released here

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/...-39662400.html
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serious clickbait from the indo today as usual
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I agree.

I think the permanent changes that might come from this pandemic is that more people will work from home, and you might be more likely to step away from a coughing or sneezing person in the shops or on a bus. That's it.

We had the Spanish Flu a hundred years ago. They had masks then. I don't see that that particular outbreak (which was way more deadly than this one) stopped people from hugging or shaking hands or gathering in large numbers.

The only permanent change from the plague is our fear of rats. And that was a 200 year long outbreak.

Everyone said people would stop flying after 9/11. And then Ryanair started. People forget quickly.

People want to go back to normal, and therefore they will.
What I think will continue - not forever but longer than people imagine - is government restrictions. You mention 9/11. People, of course, resumed flying shortly afterward but the extra security checks remained and restrictions remained. After some IRA bombs in London in the early 90s, bins were removed or blocked throughout central London for years after.

Bishopsgate gets bins back 20 years after IRA explosion

If a vaccine does not eliminate the virus as people might have thought then we will have restrictions of various sorts to continue for a period longer than most would expect at this point in time.


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Where has this 30% thing come from?

Obviously we'd all love for it to give 100% immunity, but my main reason for thinking the efficiency must be decent is the amount of money the companies have spent on it.

Surely to god there's no way in hell that Pfizer would had spent over 2 billion, on the logistical aspects of their product, if it only offered immunity to a mere 30% of the users.
Not sure if you are being humorous. Of course they would release it. There are several drugs on the market which are known to be almost completely ineffective and some do more damage than good. However, they were released when standards were lower.

A pharma company would release anything that makes a profit if the profits outweigh any potential risks to the company.
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what do we do when we get acceess to vaccine? i presume we will still have level 3 restrictions. will the government keep these levels forever now, like use level 3 for winter flu season every year or two?
Forever?! Are you serious! You do realise the detrimental effect that would have on both society and the economy. Obviously these "levels" are a short term solution. Even if we never get a vaccine (unlikely at this stage), I don't see the restrictions lasting "forever". The fact that a vaccine is most likely on the way, coupled with effective treatments, will only accelerate the reopening of the economy. I accept that there will be some level of restrictions (some social distancing, mask wearing) whilst the vaccine is being distributed, etc. but to think that such measures will be with us forever is unrealistic to say the least. Stay away from RTE would be my advice!
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24-10-2020, 09:43   #4064
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I found this it makes some very good points. A Vaccine isn't going to end the pandemic. Not for some years.



30% isn't going to end the need for lockdowns.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1022/11...effectiveness/

I think people need to lower their expectations.
on one guys opinion
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24-10-2020, 09:47   #4065
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Forever?! Are you serious! You do realise the detrimental effect that would have on both society and the economy. Obviously these "levels" are a short term solution. Even if we never get a vaccine (unlikely at this stage), I don't see the restrictions lasting "forever". The fact that a vaccine is most likely on the way, coupled with effective treatments, will only accelerate the reopening of the economy. I accept that there will be some level of restrictions (some social distancing, mask wearing) whilst the vaccine is being distributed, etc. but to think that such measures will be with us forever is unrealistic to say the least. Stay away from RTE would be my advice!
‘some men just want to watch the world burn’ - Alfred, 2008

Have to assume most folk abdicating for restrictions forever more are trolling at this stage, they surely can’t think it in all seriousness. The societal and economic damages of long term social distancing and restrictions (beyond say Q2/Q3 next year) would be astronomical!
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