Dickie10 wrote: » what do we do when we get acceess to vaccine? i presume we will still have level 3 restrictions. will the government keep these levels forever now, like use level 3 for winter flu season every year or two?
He said those hoping for a breakthrough to end the pandemic would be disappointed, with some vaccines likely to reduce the risk of Covid-19 infection by only 30%. "None of the trials currently under way are designed to detect a reduction in any serious outcome such as hospital admissions, use of intensive care, or deaths," he said. "Nor are the vaccines being studied to determine whether they can interrupt transmission of the virus." A linked editorial in the BMJ medical journal comments on the release of the Covid-19 vaccine trial protocols.
ILoveYourVibes wrote: » I found this it makes some very good points. A Vaccine isn't going to end the pandemic. Not for some years. 30% isn't going to end the need for lockdowns.https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1022/1173108-covid-19-vaccine-effectiveness/ I think people need to lower their expectations.
ACitizenErased wrote: » Fantastic news about J&J today. The participant had a stroke which was not linked to the vaccine itself.
JDD wrote: » I agree. I think the permanent changes that might come from this pandemic is that more people will work from home, and you might be more likely to step away from a coughing or sneezing person in the shops or on a bus. That's it. We had the Spanish Flu a hundred years ago. They had masks then. I don't see that that particular outbreak (which was way more deadly than this one) stopped people from hugging or shaking hands or gathering in large numbers. The only permanent change from the plague is our fear of rats. And that was a 200 year long outbreak. Everyone said people would stop flying after 9/11. And then Ryanair started. People forget quickly. People want to go back to normal, and therefore they will.
chrisbonnie wrote: » Where has this 30% thing come from? Obviously we'd all love for it to give 100% immunity, but my main reason for thinking the efficiency must be decent is the amount of money the companies have spent on it. Surely to god there's no way in hell that Pfizer would had spent over 2 billion, on the logistical aspects of their product, if it only offered immunity to a mere 30% of the users.
dominatinMC wrote: » Forever?! Are you serious! You do realise the detrimental effect that would have on both society and the economy. Obviously these "levels" are a short term solution. Even if we never get a vaccine (unlikely at this stage), I don't see the restrictions lasting "forever". The fact that a vaccine is most likely on the way, coupled with effective treatments, will only accelerate the reopening of the economy. I accept that there will be some level of restrictions (some social distancing, mask wearing) whilst the vaccine is being distributed, etc. but to think that such measures will be with us forever is unrealistic to say the least. Stay away from RTE would be my advice!
Le Bruise wrote: » ‘some men just want to watch the world burn’ - Alfred, 2008 Have to assume most folk abdicating for restrictions forever more are trolling at this stage, they surely can’t think it in all seriousness. The societal and economic damages of long term social distancing and restrictions (beyond say Q2/Q3 next year) would be astronomical!
manniot2 wrote: » serious clickbait from the indo today as usual
ACitizenErased wrote: » Really promising news from the Pfizer Ireland CEO. Looks as if he has seen some data tbh.
hmmm wrote: » This 30% thing is the latest fake news from the anti-vaxxers. I don't know where they've come up with that figure, it's obviously not true. Here's an optimistic interview in the past 24 hours with Francis Collins, the director of the NIH and one of the most respected health institutions in the world. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vj7OjdpQduY
Bit cynical wrote: » If a vaccine does not eliminate the virus as people might have thought then we will have restrictions of various sorts to continue for a period longer than most would expect at this point in time.
MerlinSouthDub wrote: » I share your optimism. I don't think he would have seen any data though, my understanding would be that Pfizer wouldn't see efficacy data until a threshold number of infections has been reached.
stephenjmcd wrote: » How ? It lays out to someone who hasn't been following vaccine updates what exactly is going on. Its far from the exclusive story they present it as but at least imminent arrival of a vaccine is being recognised
FintanMcluskey wrote: » Applying the metrics that were used in Ireland from June until September (when cases were as low as 14 per day)some restrictions will continue, until hospital capacity is sufficient. With a vaccine, an acceptable realistic number of Covid deaths needs to be considered to remove all restrictions. Right now that number seems to be 0
XsApollo wrote: » They could have already reached the number , The only thing that is guaranteed time wise is the safety aspect which is X number of months and is due to be completed the end of November. They might have seen all other aspects and are just waiting. Hopefully.
lbj666 wrote: » Of course its can't just be left loose on the non vulnerable population either. It won't have full efficacy on those at risk who receive the vaccine first and there will be those who will not be in good enough health to take the vaccine. There's only been a few 100k infectons in Ireland so far, to remove all restrictions means leaving the entire population exposed to the virus within months, even if the mortatily rate or hospitalisation rate per infected plumets to far low level of what it was, those rates x leaving nearly all the population exposed is still a significant load on the health service. You will still have some form or flattening the curve.
Russman wrote: » I’m sure this has been discussed earlier in the thread, but is the expectation with the first few vaccines that they’ll reduce symptoms but not prevent infection ? Or are they expecting some level of immunity from infection, be it weeks, months or years ? I’m just trying to get it clear in my head how transmission of the disease will be slowed/stopped.
Sconsey wrote: » No, the current crop of vaccines will not protect from infection of the virus (Cov-2), but the hope is they will prevent illness (Covid). So vaccinated people will still get infected but hopefully will not get any symptoms, and thus not get sick. This alone is good because for us it means that less infected people will get sick so less strain on the health service. In terms of immunity from the virus/reduction of spread, I don't think these vaccines will prevent spread from a vaccinated infected person. But, there is a chance that the vaccines could reduce how infectious a person is. The theory being that a vaccinated immune system will kill a lot of the virus in people bodies before it replicated to the point where they are shedding virus. This part is only speculation at the moment I believe but fingers crossed.
