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Milk and Dairy

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  • #352
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Not throwing shíte ? Like calling a poster a buil****ter and telling them they know **** all ? That’s pretty hypocritical on your behalf there. So I’ll just call you the hypocrite from now on seeing as you’re ok with calling people names. You’ll be fine with that won’t you hypocrite ? Or I could call you ‘whataboutery’ if you’d prefer ?

    Really Klopp lol. And Nope. I said the comment was bull****e. But you know that already. And evidently knew nothing about agriculture.

    As you well know - calling posters names like 'hypocrite' because you dont agree with them is something you do all the time.

    But you know what - you've just shown your hand again. No surprises there eh ...


  • #353
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    gozunda wrote: »
    Really Klopp lol. And Nope. I said the comment was bull****e. But you know that already. And evidently knew nothing about agriculture.

    As you well know - calling posters names like 'hypocrite' because you dont agree with them is something you do all the time.

    But you know what - you've just shown your hand again. No surprises there eh ...

    So that’ll be the whataboutery then.


  • #354
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    So that’ll be the whataboutery then.

    No Klopp thats you. :D


  • #355
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    I think the overwhelmingly obvious lesson is that when you monetise animals it’s the money that becomes the most important thing. It just makes sense.

    Heartbreaking stuff here.

    How can people still think that what they see in adverts remotely resembles the reality ?


  • #356
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://youtu.be/RIWfZCiWsNU


  • #357
    auspicious
    Registered Users Posts: 4,497 ✭✭✭auspicious


    When posting here on the vegan forum all posters should respect the overarching tenet that is animal products are unnecessary to survive in the contemporary.


  • #358
    emaherx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,203 ✭✭✭emaherx


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    https://youtu.be/RIWfZCiWsNU

    So your youtube video dosen't show any well cared for animals therefore they don't exist? Couldn't possibly be that it wouldn't suit the makers of the video to show such imagery?


  • #359
    Lady Haywire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,181 ✭✭✭Lady Haywire


    Deleted User wrote: »

    How can people still think that what they see in adverts remotely resembles the reality ?
    Deleted User wrote: »
    https://youtu.be/RIWfZCiWsNU

    How can people still think that what they see in heavily edited videos remotely resembles the reality ?


  • #360
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Ah right.

    That’s all CGI is it ?

    All false. It’s not real ? Fake news guys is it ?

    That’s your stance from the off rather than it’s abhorrent.

    That’s very very telling. I’m not too surprised though.

    Money and livelihoods at stake.


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  • #361
    Lady Haywire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,181 ✭✭✭Lady Haywire


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Ah right.

    That’s all CGI is it ?

    All false.

    That’s your stance from the off rather than it’s abhorrent.

    That’s very very telling. I’m not too surprised though.

    Money and livelihoods at stake.

    Where did I say it's all CGI or false?? I'm sure, like me, farmers watching that would have their blood boiling. There's bad & good farmers, (thankfully the former is a very small percentage) just like there's nice & horrible people in life too.

    It's very telling that your stance from the off is that all farmers are like this when I can tell you with complete certainty that that is false.


  • #362
    emaherx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,203 ✭✭✭emaherx


    auspicious wrote: »
    When posting here on the vegan forum all posters should respect the overarching tenet that is animal products are unnecessary to survive in the contemporary.

    Perhaps but if the vegan message has to rely on such propaganda videos as the one shown above is it really that strong. Do you people really believe all dairy animals are beaten and dragged around like the video?

    Organizations like the WHO, FAO and the health boards of almost every country are reluctant to recommend veganism as the diet for the masses due to a fear of an increase in malnourishment in the population. A balanced diet involving meat and dairy products is still recommended by most health experts.

    I can respect someone's choice to be vegan as do most visiting posters here, but can we not call out the propaganda videos for what they are? There is no doubt that the farm workers in the videos are vile individuals but it's hardly evidence that these represent all dairy farms.

    Also a point to note, there are far more industrial dairy farms in the UK compared to Ireland. The average dairy herd size in the UK is about 1,800 compared to 78 here. With less hired staff required animals tend to better cared for by their owners. And before the list of headlines are drawn up there are 18,000 dairy farms in Ireland so I'm sure you all have a list of newspaper articles showing some abuse.


  • #363
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Ha. Probably labelled as ‘farm fresh’ in the adverts or on the packaging.

    What is normal about this ?

    https://youtu.be/u80_IrSILI4


  • #364
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    It’s ok everybody.

    Some abuse is to be expected and it’s normal for that abuse to happen.


  • #365
    emaherx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,203 ✭✭✭emaherx


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Ha. Probably labelled as ‘farm fresh’ in the adverts or on the packaging.

    What is normal about this ?

    https://youtu.be/u80_IrSILI4

    How often is the narrative that it's not natural for cows to be always pregnant pushed? If they were wild animals they would almost always be pregnant infact dairy farmers are more likely to "unnaturally" increase the period between pregnancy by not impregnating a cow at her first cycle after pregnancy a bull however doesn't wait.

    Bobby calves are not a common practice here either.

    Don't know of many farms that cull cows at 5 or 6 years old either. How is it these videos complain about cows being forced to produce so many offspring in order to produce milk and in the same breath claim they are slaughtered too young after only having 3 calves?

    So to answer your question the video is not the norm ;)


  • #366
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Jjameson wrote: »
    No it’s unlawful and immoral. And illogical because it’s unprofitable. Thriving animals have to be comfortable animals. Thrive and profit have a direct link.

    And yet it happens.


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  • #367
    emaherx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,203 ✭✭✭emaherx


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    And yet it happens.

    Like lots of illegal acts, so not sure what your point is.

    If a vegan commits a crime are all vegans responsible because they are vegan?

    No of course not, suggesting as much would be ridiculous. But yet this is exactly what you are saying.


  • #368
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    auspicious wrote: »
    When posting here on the vegan forum all posters should respect the overarching tenet that is animal products are unnecessary to survive in the contemporary.

    auspicious - i hate to point this out. But it's not the 'vegan' forum - its the "vegetarian and vegan forum".

    And yes many vegetarians use 'animal products" including eggs and dairy products. Dumping a zeitgeist on others and demanding posters "respect" an "overarching tenet" in a thread which in many respects amounts to little more than hate speech against farmers comes across as somewhat ironic tbf.


  • #369
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I think the overwhelmingly obvious lesson is that when you monetise animals it’s the money that becomes the most important thing. It just makes sense.
    Heartbreaking stuff here.
    How can people still think that what they see in adverts remotely resembles the reality ?

    Ah the old 'money" sthick kloppp? Didn't you do already do that the other night in yet another long hate filled rant?

    But OK I'll bite. So yet another anti farming video made up of even more selected footage with no acknowledgement of the many many thousands of farmers who treat their animals well not only because the good care of animals is the recommended practice but also because its the right thing to do.

    If there are exceptions - then that is a case for dealing with it and not using it to beat everyone else over the head with.


    That said the one thing "Earthling Ed" seems to be good at is producing ****e like this for dramatic effect. Oh and MONEY.

    Do you know that our friend Eathling Ed there who flogs those videos - has a financial value of about $68 million.?

    Then there's the $6000 - $7000 a month that Ed gets from his Patreon money collecting. And in September alone he earned another $ 1.3K from idiots viewing his videos on YouTube.

    I think the overwhelmingly obvious lesson is that It's difficult to get a person to understand something when his bank account depends upon his not understanding it. In this case its Payyyysssss Ed to deliberately paint farming in the worst way possible because some gullible people lap it up.

    Heres another interesting video Ed would probably agree with...

    https://youtu.be/HEofM_rDPqY

    Easy money if you dont mind making fools out of people


  • #370
    M256
    Registered Users Posts: 58 ✭✭M256


    auspicious wrote: »
    When posting here on the vegan forum all posters should respect the overarching tenet that is animal products are unnecessary to survive in the contemporary.

    Please provide proof


  • #371
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    gozunda wrote: »
    Ah the old 'money" sthick kloppp? Didn't you do already do that the other night in yet another long hate filled rant?

    But OK I'll bite. So yet another anti farming video made up of even more selected footage with no acknowledgement of the many many thousands of farmers who treat their animals well not only because the good care of animals is the recommended practice but also because its the right thing to do.

    If there are exceptions - then that is a case for dealing with it and not using it to beat everyone else over the head with.

    Deflect. Deflect. Deflect.

    Pathetic response to animal cruelty.

    Not surprised it doesn’t upset you.


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  • #372
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Deflect. Deflect. Deflect. Pathetic response to animal cruelty. Not surprised it doesn’t upset you.

    Simply pointing out the truth and spin of your regular hate filled rants against farmers Klopp. 'Pathetic'.

    And nobody I know supports 'cruelty' klopp. If I witnessed cruelty I'd report it and not make a video to make "Mooonnnneeeyyyyyy" from it. :mad:

    Sixty eight million he earns from his videos etc. Nice money whilst doing nothing about it eh.

    Horrific we have feckers who do nothing other than actually mke money out of flogging **** like this and othes who lap it up eh?


  • #373
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,525 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Milk and Dairy = yummy.


  • #374
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    whisky_galore wrote: »
    Milk and Dairy = yummy.

    Will preserve that post.


  • #375
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    gozunda wrote: »
    Simply pointing out the truth and spin of your regular hate filled rants against farmers Klopp. 'Pathetic'.

    I support animal 'cruelty' klopp.

    So if you take my care and consideration of animals to be hate filled them I’m at a loss.

    If that is you’re true conclusion then that’s sad. I don’t think it is genuine though. I think you’re hurt. I think this forum pains you so much you spend a lot of time in here defending the actions of those that harm helpless animals.

    That would encourage me to think that you support animal cruelty. That’s pretty sick.

    You come across a quite the sick pup that supports animal cruelty.

    I don’t think I’ll interact again with you. You’re support of animal cruelty is just sickening to me.

    I fixed your post to reflect what I hear.

    Over and out !


  • #376
    emaherx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,203 ✭✭✭emaherx


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    So if you take my care and consideration of animals to be hate filled them I’m at a loss.

    If that is you’re true conclusion then that’s sad. I don’t think it is genuine though. I think you’re hurt. I think this forum pains you so much you spend a lot of time in here defending the actions of those that harm helpless animals.

    That would encourage me to think that you support animal cruelty. That’s pretty sick.

    You come across a quite the sick pup that supports animal cruelty.

    I don’t think I’ll interact again with you. You’re support of animal cruelty is just sickening to me.

    I fixed your post to reflect what I hear.

    Over and out !

    From your posts you come across as someone who enjoys the prospect that some animals may be abused, which is a bit weird.

    As for hate filled rants, your little rant about how most of the farmers you grew up with were "uneducated and not up to much anyway" was filled with spite. I'm shocked that no mod pulled you up over that, if similar was said about vegans or any other group of people then mods would have been all over it. I'd say your proud as punch of it, but in reality only showed you up for who you really are.


  • #377
    Tilikum17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Tilikum17


    emaherx wrote: »
    Nope, not the norm here by any stretch of the imagination. But why let the truth get in the way of a good story.

    Nearly 30,000 calves were slaughtered last year after they reached ten days of age, according to RTÉ's Ear to the Ground” 2019 article in the Irish examiner.

    The huge numbers of unwanted male calves born in Ireland are one of the unintended consequences of the major push to expand the nation’s profitable dairy herd with the end of EU quotas in 2015.


  • #378
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    emaherx wrote: »
    From your posts you come across as someone who enjoys the prospect that some animals may be abused, which is a bit weird.

    As for hate filled rants, your little rant about how most of the farmers you grew up with were "uneducated and not up to much anyway" was filled with spite. I'm shocked that no mod pulled you up over that, if similar was said about vegans or any other group of people then mods would have been all over it. I'd say your proud as punch of it, but in reality only showed you up for who you really are.

    I’m sorry if that offended you but I can only speak to my experiences.

    The one that did make it out of the cycle made it fairly big in retail so there’s hope for all yet. He’s managing a stand alone Dunnes Stores the last I heard.


  • #379
    Finty Lemon
    Registered Users Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    The qwerty keyboard. Brought to you by the brain tissue evolved through the power of meat and dairy.


  • #380
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I’m sorry if that offended you but I can only speak to my experiences...

    No one is 'offended' Klopp. They're simply pointing out the bile of your comments.

    "Over and out"? Still ranting and raving and attacking posters?
    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    ...

    I fixed your post to reflect what I hear.

    Well thats because you only seem to hear and see what you want klopp.

    So not content with posting highly edited videos created by someone worth $68 million in an effort to push yet more hate filled rants against others

    You've now take to altering and misrepresenting of other posters comments on here...

    Well that's not a surprise. More of the same.
    Well what's new klopp.

    Its not really surprising that other vegxns have said on this thread that you dont represent them.
    Embarrassing comments for you

    And to requote a part of you last hate filled rant

    "You come across a quite the sick pup"... that enjoys watching and sharing videos of animal cruelty. And yes thats 'pathetic'.


  • #381
    emaherx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,203 ✭✭✭emaherx


    Tilikum17 wrote: »
    Nearly 30,000 calves were slaughtered last year after they reached ten days of age, according to RTÉ's Ear to the Ground” 2019 article in the Irish examiner.

    The huge numbers of unwanted male calves born in Ireland are one of the unintended consequences of the major push to expand the nation’s profitable dairy herd with the end of EU quotas in 2015.

    I don't for one second support the practice. But still not the norm 30,000 out of 2 million calves register is too many but not representative of most dairy farms.


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  • #382
    emaherx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,203 ✭✭✭emaherx


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I’m sorry if that offended you but I can only speak to my experiences.

    The one that did make it out of the cycle made it fairly big in retail so there’s hope for all yet. He’s managing a stand alone Dunnes Stores the last I heard.

    It's totally disgusting way to refer to another human being. I'm glad you managed to find one smart one though, but can't say it makes the comment any less cruel and you claim to be against cruelty.


  • #383
    mickdw
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,465 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    The small dairy farms that ive seen in west of ireland dont slaughter calves.
    They dont focus on usingvthe calves as replacement milkers and so use breeds that produce a calf with some value, male or female. The calves are actually a big part of the farm income.


  • #384
    KennisWhale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 186 ✭✭KennisWhale


    auspicious wrote: »
    When posting here on the vegan forum all posters should respect the overarching tenet that is animal products are unnecessary to survive in the contemporary.

    I'm new to the forum but I don't understand why there is so much pro-animal agriculture in it. Particularly, pro-meat posting. The common theme to vegans and vegetarians is that we are all anti-meat. I am doing a sweep of this thread now to report the posts which are pro meat. Hopefully the mods can take a hard line. There is after all a farming forum.


  • #385
    KennisWhale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 186 ✭✭KennisWhale


    whisky_galore wrote: »
    Milk and Dairy = yummy.

    Bad for the erection though.


  • #386
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    KennisWhale wrote: »
    I'm new to the forum but I don't understand why there is so much pro-animal agriculture in it. Particularly, pro-meat posting. I am doing a sweep of this thread now to report the posts which are pro meat. Hopefully the mods can take a hard line. There is after all a farming forum.


    Taking a guess - I reckon it's an ongoing discussion on a thread which attempts to denigrate farmers and farming. Are others not allowed to comment on that? Or does freedom of expression only work for select groups?

    For sure there's certainly posts which should be reported as hate filled attacks on others . So much so that several posters have called for this thread to be shut down

    To be fair I could never understand why there's do many agriculture threads in this forum. No problem discussing agriculture here - though its the hate filled rants which are the most telling imo. Thread after thread on the same. It's sad really.


  • #387
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    KennisWhale wrote: »
    Bad for the erection though.

    Yeah there was a discussion on that piece of often repeated bs propaganda already. And guess what it didnt stand up either :D


  • #388
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,255 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    emaherx wrote: »

    As for hate filled rants, your little rant about how most of the farmers you grew up with were "uneducated and not up to much anyway" was filled with spite. I'm shocked that no mod pulled you up over that, if similar was said about vegans or any other group of people then mods would have been all over it. I'd say your proud as punch of it, but in reality only showed you up for who you really are.


    It's more than likely just bitterness and ignorance. You have to make allowances for the ignorant people


  • #389
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,255 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    KennisWhale wrote: »
    Bad for the erection though.




    Well if that excuse works for you, you can keep using it!


  • #390
    NcdJd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 994 ✭✭✭NcdJd


    KennisWhale wrote: »
    I'm new to the forum but I don't understand why there is so much pro-animal agriculture in it. Particularly, pro-meat posting. The common theme to vegans and vegetarians is that we are all anti-meat. I am doing a sweep of this thread now to report the posts which are pro meat. Hopefully the mods can take a hard line. There is after all a farming forum.

    If a poster creates a thread to accuse a large group of people that their business model is based on animal cruelty then what do you expect ? Posters have a right to challenge these baseless accusations.


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  • #391
    KennisWhale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 186 ✭✭KennisWhale


    gozunda wrote: »
    Taking a guess - I reckon it's an ongoing discussion on a thread which attempts to denigrate farmers and farming. Are others not allowed to comment on that? Or does freedom of expression only work for select groups?

    For sure there's certainly posts which should be reported as hate filled attacks on others . So much so that several posters have called for this thread to be shut down

    To be fair I could never understand why there's do many agriculture threads in this forum. No problem discussing agriculture here - though its the hate filled rants which are the most telling imo. Thread after thread on the same. It's sad really.

    I can accede to dairy discussion, given it is a vegetarian forum too, but promoting animal rearing for the slaughter is a bridge too far. There is no defence to it here.


  • #392
    emaherx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,203 ✭✭✭emaherx


    KennisWhale wrote: »
    I'm new to the forum but I don't understand why there is so much pro-animal agriculture in it. Particularly, pro-meat posting. The common theme to vegans and vegetarians is that we are all anti-meat. I am doing a sweep of this thread now to report the posts which are pro meat. Hopefully the mods can take a hard line. There is after all a farming forum.

    The forum has very little activity except the farmer bashing threads. Is it really strange that farmers may respond to these threads that are on an open public forum. We are in no way effecting the proper vegan an vegetarian threads only responding to what are well edited propaganda videos and damn right lies being spread about us. I understand that some people choose to be vegan or vegetarian as they don't want to eat meat which is fine. Also this thread is about dairy and many vegetarians consume milk and other dairy products.


  • #393
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    KennisWhale wrote: »
    I can accede to dairy discussion, given it is a vegetarian forum too, but promoting animal rearing for the slaughter is a bridge too far. There is no defence to it here.

    I'll just requote what the previous poster said...
    NcdJd wrote: »
    If a poster creates a thread to accuse a large group of people that their business model is based on animal cruelty then what do you expect ? Posters have a right to challenge these baseless accusations.


  • #394
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,255 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    KennisWhale wrote: »
    I can accede to dairy discussion, given it is a vegetarian forum too, but promoting animal rearing for the slaughter is a bridge too far. There is no defence to it here.




    There are no restrictions on buying agricultural land. You are free to buy up 100 acres or whatever and rewild it or do as you like with it. Put your money where your mouth is. Buy that land and take it out of agricultural production.


  • #395
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    emaherx wrote: »
    The forum has very little activity except the farmer bashing threads. Is it really strange that farmers may respond to these threads that are on an open public forum. We are in no way effecting the proper vegan an vegetarian threads only responding to what are well edited propaganda videos and damn right lies being spread about us. I understand that some people choose to be vegan or vegetarian as they don't want to eat meat which is fine. Also this thread is about dairy and many vegetarians consume milk and other dairy products.

    In fairness yourself and others who post here seem to be in touch with the kind of things vegatarians/vegans would be concerned with, and I don't think people have a problem with your small scale extensive farming set up. If Ireland was covered in that kind of farming we'd probably have thriving biodiversity compared to what we have now and better treated animals, but we have massive factories relying on intensive farming, where practices may be questionable.
    If Ireland was a huge producer of cheap clothing instead, a very dirty industry, and that was causing our waterways and land to be polluted I'd rightly have "beef" with them too.


  • #396
    emaherx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,203 ✭✭✭emaherx


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    In fairness yourself and others who post here seem to be in touch with the kind of things vegatarians/vegans would be concerned with, and I don't think people have a problem with your small scale extensive farming set up. If Ireland was covered in that kind of farming we'd probably have thriving biodiversity compared to what we have now and better treated animals, but we have massive factories relying on intensive farming, where practices may be questionable.
    If Ireland was a huge producer of cheap clothing instead, a very dirty industry, and that was causing our waterways and land to be polluted I'd rightly have "beef" with them too.

    Thanks we don't always agree.
    But at least we are mostly civil about it. :D

    I do however believe Ireland has a lot of just that type of farming, much more than you seem to know. The average herd size here is just 66 cattle for beef farms and a little more for dairy but half of all 100,000 or so farms have less than 10 cows.

    In the uk the average herd size is 1800 animals which is vastly different, we have very few farms of that magnitude and that's the average over there.

    There is plenty of regular chat in the farming forum on matters of the environment and biodiversity so farms like mine are far from unique.


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  • #397
    [Deleted User]
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    Why are people introducing borders in the battle against animal cruelty ?

    It doesn’t matter. It’s wrong.

    Anyway, I thought Ireland exports all its ‘good’ meat and imports from other countries to sell to the Irish consumer. And from my experience most Irish consumers don’t realise how much animal product is imported and how much of it they’re consuming.

    So it doesn’t matter where you live.

    If you’re eating or drinking animals you’re financially supporting animal cruelty.


  • #398
    emaherx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,203 ✭✭✭emaherx


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Why are people introducing borders in the battle against animal cruelty ?

    It doesn’t matter. It’s wrong.

    Anyway, I thought Ireland exports all its ‘good’ meat and imports from other countries to sell to the Irish consumer. And from my experience most Irish consumers don’t realise how much animal product is imported and how much of it they’re consuming.

    So it doesn’t matter where you live.

    If you’re eating or drinking animals you’re financially supporting animal cruelty.

    In the case of milk especially it dose matter, almost every retailer in Ireland only sells Irish milk and it is clearly marked as such. Since this Irish thread is about diary it would seem relevant. But in all products I'd recommend people to buy Irish they are available on Irish shelves so there is certainly the choice.

    You seem a little obsessed with import and export. Dose food you eat not get imported or exported? Is it all grown sustainably and without cruelty at all levels?

    I think you need to give consumers more credit, they have choice between imported and local in a huge array of products. You can hardly blame farmers if some importers use misleading labeling if that is what you are getting at. I think hands down every single Irish producer of any goods would like country of origin clear on any packaging.


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    [Deleted User]
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    I’ve zero issues with importing or exporting food.

    I just hope the Irish consumer knows where the animal they’re eating has come from.

    In most cases they don’t.


  • #400
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I’ve zero issues with importing or exporting food.
    I just hope the Irish consumer knows where the animal they’re eating has come from.
    In most cases they don’t.

    Thats nonsense. You've railed against agricultural produce being exported many times - its like a mantra at this stage or something

    So it goes to questioning the knowledge majority of consumers now? Do you really believe people are as uninformed as you're making out?

    Perhaps that needs some qualification - people living here do.


  • #401
    emaherx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,203 ✭✭✭emaherx


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I’ve zero issues with importing or exporting food.

    I just hope the Irish consumer knows where the animal they’re eating has come from.

    In most cases they don’t.

    I think we can all agree we'd like it to be easy for the Irish consumer to know where all their purchases came from be that brazilian chicken or carrots from Israel. Don't know why you seem to think Irish meat or dairy is not available for Irish consumers though. I certainly have no problem finding Irish produce when I shop.


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