Rachel Allen’s son arrested for €30,000 drugs seizure

CeilingFly · 03-09-2018 10:03pm

Sheep breeder wrote: »

Where did he get the money to buy, down the back of the sofa

€30k inflated Street value based on maximum possible value so that the sensationalist hysterical media can have their sensationalist headline.

My guess, less than 3k cost.

Edit, about 1k cost.

Gardai claim value is €20/gram!!!

That's an extortionate price.

Fr_Dougal · 03-09-2018 10:05pm

chicorytip wrote: »

"Ah sure, it's only a bit of weed". Guff! Cannabis is a seriously dangerous drug proven to cause many physical and psychological disorders in regular users as well as being the most common "gateway" leading to Heroin addiction.

How do we know that Ballymaloe relish isn’t a gateway drug?

McCrack · 03-09-2018 10:07pm

S15a 30k, no previous, guilty plea, 18, weed, remorse, good family, bright future etc etc

Suspended sentence

Nothing to see here at all really

tayto lover · 03-09-2018 10:07pm

I wouldn't have a lot of time for the Allen family because of the previous incident. However this lad is only 18 years old and has made a big mistake. He is young and hopefully he learns from this and has a good life ahead of him.

lazygal · 03-09-2018 10:12pm

tayto lover wrote: »

I wouldn't have a lot of time for the Allen family because of the previous incident. However this lad is only 18 years old and has made a big mistake. He is young and hopefully he learns from this and has a good life ahead of him.

A mistake is having a few joints in the wrong place and getting caught by the Gardaí. This man, not lad, decided to import drugs. That's not a mistake. No sympathy for him.

Turnipman · 03-09-2018 10:14pm

Irish Kings wrote: »

I'm asking a question

Your question appears to have been removed. But I heard that story too - from a very reliable source.

CeilingFly · 03-09-2018 10:15pm

A 26 year old woman has been arrested with 500k (Garda value) of cannabis.

What are the chances of her name being front page headlines?

Zilch

tonycascarino · 03-09-2018 10:17pm

tayto lover wrote: »

I wouldn't have a lot of time for the Allen family because of the previous incident. However this lad is only 18 years old and has made a big mistake. He is young and hopefully he learns from this and has a good life ahead of him.

Don't understand the sympathy myself. There are not too many 18 year olds out there getting involved with 30000 euros worth of drugs. If I did what this lad did at 18 (or at any age) my family would have completely disowned me.

vicwatson · 03-09-2018 10:23pm

KevRossi wrote: »

For those who say that the family should not be associated with the actions of Tim Allen, just remember, they backed him up, funded his legal fees and accepted him back into the family.

One of the most disgusting verdicts ever handed down in this country and we all know he would have sat for his conviction if he was from a less well known family.

The son had €30,000 of drugs on him. That is mid size drug dealing territory. You can expect the Golden Circle members to start circling the wagons now.

Tearful colour spreads in the Sindo, comments from 'family friends' and the usual cohorts on Marian Finucane and Miriam O'Callaghan spouting out whatever guff Terry Prone has coached them to say.

Strazdas wrote: »

From what I recall, Tim Allen's offences (while very unpleasant) were considered at the low end of the scale. The trial judge was extremely angry with reporting of the case and accused the media of sensationally reporting it, lying to their readers and creating the narrative that Allen had gotten off scott free.

He insisted Allen got the exact same sentence any ordinary Joe Bloggs would have gotten for the same offence but said media hysteria in Ireland created the idea that he had bought his way out of a tougher sentence.

paw patrol wrote: »

judge is a fool - regardless of the nature of the image he should have done time .

Anyway the indo "can reveal" (at the time) the images were extreme and obtained from peado chat rooms.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/allens-childporn-images-extreme-26228355.html

Allen did no time at all and his fine while stiff wasn't that severe given the family wealth and didn't exactly make him destitute.

he got off scot-free save for the abuse people ranted on the internet about him.

Iirc it was 977 images and the fine he got was 40k payable to an INDIAN charity, not even an Irish one

I boycott their goods because of that court case and because Darina “stood by her man”

Nothing on Rte as they love the Allen family, won’t hear a bad word about them

sweetie · 03-09-2018 10:23pm

Another ballyhoo in ballymaloe!

lazygal · 03-09-2018 10:26pm

vicwatson wrote: »

Iirc it was 977 images and the fine he got was 40k payable to an INDIAN charity, not even an Irish one

I boycott their goods because of that court case and because Darina “stood by her man”

Nothing on Rte as they love the Allen family, won’t hear a bad word about them

I'm sure there is a slot with a teary Rachel being lined up for the day after the court case already.

Irish Kings · 03-09-2018 10:35pm

tonycascarino wrote: »

Don't understand the sympathy myself. There are not too many 18 year olds out there getting involved with 30000 euros worth of drugs. If I did what this lad did at 18 (or at any age) my family would have completely disowned me.

Sure, but any 18 year lad, even if he is an Allen, and any person, including you, is to be considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of Irish law.
If we don't have that we have nothing in Ireland.

bilbot79 · 03-09-2018 10:38pm

That's a 10 year mandatory sentence. Boy's up **** Creek.
Feel sorry for him as the street value is probably 2k

prinzeugen · 03-09-2018 10:41pm

CeilingFly wrote: »

€30k inflated Street value based on maximum possible value so that the sensationalist hysterical media can have their sensationalist headline.

My guess, less than 3k cost.

Edit, about 1k cost.

Gardai claim value is €20/gram!!!

That's an extortionate price.

From what I understand, there was more than one package detected in Portlaoise. The Garda did a controlled delivery on only one.

So the €30,000 comes from what they got in Cork after it was delivered + the other packages held in Portlaoise mail centre addressed to him.

lazygal · 03-09-2018 10:41pm

Irish Kings wrote: »

Sure, but any 18 year lad, even if he is an Allen, and any person, including you, is to be considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of Irish law.
If we don't have that we have nothing in Ireland.

Hadn't he admitted his guilt?

RabbleRouser2k · 03-09-2018 10:43pm

According to VM1 today, she's 'devastated'. The Allen jr will be pleading guilty, and they are condemning his actions.

Personally, 30 grand worth of drugs is too large to be a 'first time' drug offence. And according to the statement, the amount he had they are claiming was for sale, not personal use. (Personal use tends to carry a lesser sentence, distribution carries a far heavier sentence/ fine).

It's strange seeing Virgin Media reporting on this-they've had more dealings with Rachel Allen (The Restaurant) in the last few years than RTE has. RTE has only had dealings with Rory, and he's not 'an Allen', really.

Irish Kings · 03-09-2018 10:43pm

lazygal wrote: »

Hadn't he admitted his guilt?

according to what proper court ? since when were the media in Ireland accurate or reliable ?

chicorytip · 03-09-2018 10:47pm

Melendez wrote:

This post has been deleted.

My point is Cannabis is an illegal drug in this country and for very good reasons. This Allen fellah should get ten years in jail.

Amalgam · 03-09-2018 10:48pm

So, basically, in the future, the likelyhood of not being able to fly anywhere without extra scrutiny, work in US/Canada/Australia/Japan..

Does this kind of conviction limit you to Europe, more or less?

Mountainsandh · 03-09-2018 10:49pm

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

According to VM1 today, she's 'devastated'. The Allen jr will be pleading guilty, and they are condemning his actions.

Personally, 30 grand worth of drugs is too large to be a 'first time' drug offence. And according to the statement, the amount he had they are claiming was for sale, not personal use. (Personal use tends to carry a lesser sentence, distribution carries a far heavier sentence/ fine).

It's strange seeing Virgin Media reporting on this-they've had more dealings with Rachel Allen (The Restaurant) in the last few years than RTE has. RTE has only had dealings with Rory, and he's not 'an Allen', really.

I saw her official statement somewhere else, not VM, and I thought it was simple, dignified, and honest.

It's nice to take people at face value sometimes, rather than extrapolate on what the rest of the family may have done.
She seems like an angry and concerned parent, and I hope the media will get off their back. It's enough worry for a parent as it is.

Irish Kings · 03-09-2018 10:51pm

Amalgam wrote: »

So, basically, in the future, the likelyhood of not being able to fly anywhere without extra scrutiny, work in US/Canada/Australia/Japan..

Does this kind of conviction limit you to Europe, more or less?

Who need's that with future RTE cookery shows, books etc.

Ganja Pie anyone ?

Kevin Finnerty · 03-09-2018 10:52pm

chicorytip wrote: »

My point is Cannabis is an illegal drug in this country and for very good reasons. This Allen fellah should get ten years in jail.

YEAH, MINIMUM.

Tsk,is my pitchfork big enough?

PARlance · 03-09-2018 10:53pm

How exactly does ordering €10-30k of drugs online work?

Assuming you can't just stick it on the credit card.

Irish Kings · 03-09-2018 10:53pm

Mountainsandh wrote: »

I saw her official statement somewhere else, not VM, and I thought it was simple, dignified, and honest.

It's nice to take people at face value sometimes, rather than extrapolate on what the rest of the family may have done.
She seems like an angry and concerned parent, and I hope the media will get off their back. It's enough worry for a parent as it is.

She's is genuinely a really nice person, an absolute lady.
That lad is unbelievably lucky to have her as a ma.
I feel really sorry for her getting mixed up with the Allen's.
They would have been unknown has beens today without her.
They don't deserve her.

PARlance · 03-09-2018 10:55pm

chicorytip wrote: »

My point is Cannabis is an illegal drug in this country and for very good reasons. This Allen fellah should get ten years in jail.

At what temperature?

Are Am Eye · 03-09-2018 10:58pm

PARlance wrote: »

How exactly does ordering €10-30k of drugs online work?

Always read the reviews. But be aware some may be fake.
If the seller has less than 95% feedback rating - avoid.

chicorytip · 03-09-2018 11:01pm

PARlance wrote:

At what temperature?

220 degrees farenheit.

prinzeugen · 03-09-2018 11:03pm

PARlance wrote: »

How exactly does ordering €10-30k of drugs online work?

Assuming you can't just stick it on the credit card.

I would guess that he was in the states on a J1 or whatever during the summer and made some "contacts" . The packages came from the USA marked as clothes.

fourmations · 03-09-2018 11:04pm

Chewbacca wrote: »

A family of fake posh accents, kiddy fiddling and now drugs.

Stop buying Ballymaloe stuff!

haven't gone near anything from them since darinas sons episode,
im far from a militant but that left a sour taste in my mouth
not darinas fault but im not funding his allowance either!

Hector Bellend · 03-09-2018 11:06pm

How does your average 18 year old get their hand on 30k worth of dope.

Hector Bellend · 03-09-2018 11:06pm

fourmations wrote: »

haven't gone near anything from them since darinas sons episode,
im far from a militant but that left a sour taste in my mouth
not darinas fault but im not funding his allowance either!

at least it wasnt her food

freshpopcorn · 03-09-2018 11:08pm

Hector Bellend wrote: »

How does your average 18 year old get their hand on 30k worth of dope.

Well I know people who bought I think E tablets.
They purchached of the net someway for about €1000 or so but the street value when the Gardai reported was much higher.

CeilingFly · 03-09-2018 11:09pm

prinzeugen wrote: »

From what I understand, there was more than one package detected in Portlaoise. The Garda did a controlled delivery on only one.

So the €30,000 comes from what they got in Cork after it was delivered + the other packages held in Portlaoise mail centre addressed to him.

Total was 1.5kg
Garda value for a kg is 20k

Street price is €10 per gram - or so I'm told

,

tretorn · 03-09-2018 11:12pm

Is this young man into racing.

Did the Indo do a big spread on him going into modelling so he could fund his car racing.

sligojoek · 03-09-2018 11:18pm

tretorn wrote: »

Is this young man into racing.

Did the Indo do a big spread on him going into modelling so he could fund his car racing.

I think that was another son. Luke I think.

washman3 · 03-09-2018 11:20pm

squawker wrote: »

"it seems" being the word right there

please provide some proof of their alleged criminal dealings

this is no reason to tarnish the whole family for one members sordid proclivities

Any concern for the numerous families his drug dealing business would destroy.??

Deusexmachina · 03-09-2018 11:24pm

There are a lot of morally superior finger pointers on here. Honestly makes me feel sick.
I hope this poor woman and her family cope with this awful situation. My heart goes out to her.
She seems like a lovely person on the tv.

Hoboo · 03-09-2018 11:29pm

washman3 wrote: »

Any concern for the numerous families his drug dealing business would destroy.??

I don't know one family that has been destroyed by cannabis use. And I know a lot.

spockety · 03-09-2018 11:31pm

bilbot79 wrote: »

That's a 10 year mandatory sentence. Boy's up **** Creek.
Feel sorry for him as the street value is probably 2k

Except in "exceptional" circumstances, which includes a voluntary guilty plea and cooperation etc.

Richmond Ultra · 03-09-2018 11:31pm

freshpopcorn wrote: »

From what I remember the same lad took transition year out of school and she was unsure If he was going back or not.
She said he did a tractor courses/etc and once he was working at something she was happy. He also said he had some learning disability.(It was years ago and can't fully remember)

The same lad wanted to be a formula 1 driver. You wouldn't be thinking of achieving that if you have a learning disability.

washman3 · 03-09-2018 11:31pm

Deusexmachina wrote: »

There are a lot of morally superior finger pointers on here. Honestly makes me feel sick.
I hope this poor woman and her family cope with this awful situation. My heart goes out to her.
She seems like a lovely person on the tv.

They dealt ok with the last 'awful situation' so they should be able to take this one in their stride.

wakka12 · 03-09-2018 11:32pm

I actually like Rachel Allen, she seems really gentle and kind hearted on tv, may be its for the cameras i don't know but she comes across well anyway..feel so bad for her, must make you worried sick as a parent seeing your child doing something so reckless and dangerous and then feeling like a failure after trying to bring them up well

Irish Kings · 03-09-2018 11:34pm

Richmond Ultra wrote: »

The same lad wanted to be a formula 1 driver. You wouldn't be thinking of achieving that if you have a learning disability.

how about leaving the kid alone to serve whatever the court decides ?

washman3 · 03-09-2018 11:35pm

Hoboo wrote: »

I don't know one family that has been destroyed by cannabis use. And I know a lot.

And I know loads that have been destroyed by drugs, and guess what, it all started off with 'a little bit of harmless cannabis' taking.
Surprise, surprise.

freshpopcorn · 03-09-2018 11:35pm

Richmond Ultra wrote: »

The same lad wanted to be a formula 1 driver. You wouldn't be thinking of achieving that if you have a learning disability.

I think that's the younger fella.
I think the lad in question just had difficulty with read and writing.

YFlyer · 03-09-2018 11:36pm

evolving_doors wrote: »

Just a young idiot.
Where did he get the money for 30k worth though (presume that 30k is gardaí estimate for gross profit)?

He wouldn't have needed anywhere near 30k.

Hoboo · 03-09-2018 11:38pm

washman3 wrote: »

And I know loads that have been destroyed by drugs, and guess what, it all started off with 'a little bit of harmless cannabis' taking.
Surprise, surprise.

More likely started with harmless fags and alcohol. Gateway drug nonsense.

questionmark? · 03-09-2018 11:43pm

PARlance wrote: »

How exactly does ordering €10-30k of drugs online work?

Assuming you can't just stick it on the credit card.

Always read the tripadviser reviews first, take away the extremely good and extremely bad to rule out the idiots then pay via PayPal to avoid credit card fraud. Send to parcel motel. Collect, make a mega joint and use Ballymaloe house as a massive smoke box, order 1000 chicken nuggets. Simple really.

iodd7 · 03-09-2018 11:44pm

Her persona is fine and nice but she's either super naive or negligent (or something) to put up with the kid posting all the stuff on facebook he has - since 13 or 14 years of age he has posted pictures of himself drinking, smoking spliffs, porny shots of cannabis leaves etc. Maybe he thought he was above the law but it's just so dumb with his family in the public eye etc...he was clearly not a big time dealer but still.

Deusexmachina · 03-09-2018 11:47pm

washman3 wrote: »

They dealt ok with the last 'awful situation' so they should be able to take this one in their stride.

Good man. Are you proud of yourself? Rachel Allen married a man whose father was subsequently caught with child pornography. That must have been terrible (and scary) for her.
And you feel all morally superior to her.
You are obviously a nasty piece of work.

Rachel Allen’s son arrested for €30,000 drugs seizure

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