Climate Action Plan

Cina · 24-06-2019 4:08pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

Species die out and are replaced or can't be sustained
This climate change rubbish is the new religion for do gooders and gob****es

Yeah, just like vaccines and that whole theory that the earth is "round". Bleedin' religious nutters.

SeanW · 24-06-2019 6:44pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

So what... just keep burning turf and coal?

At the very least this course of action would not kill 600,000 bats per year at minimum, it could be 900,000. And I'm not sure if that's just in the United States.

Fortunately, it is not an either-or choice. We do not need to waste enormous amounts of money on subsidy-guzzling, bat killing, bird chomping monstrosities that produce nothing but an small, unreliable power supply and a lot of dead bodies of flying things. Wind turbines are the sort of thing that you use if you aren't actually trying to solve a problem, or worse, are trying to create new ones.

Nor do we need to continue burning fossil fuels for electricity generation, with all the problems that entails.

France, right now, is producing 49 grams of CO2 per Kilowatt of electricity that they use. For Ireland, as of 18:40 on the 24th of June 2019, the same figure for Ireland is 497g/kwh.
https://www.electricitymap.org/?page=country&solar=false&remote=true&wind=false&countryCode=FR
(Figures updated on an ongoing basis).
This is despite the fact that the environmental mainstream has had the final say in Ireland's electricity policies since the days of the Carnsore Point protests in the 1970s.

Renewables, as bad as they are today, were even worse in the 20th century and France decided to stop burning fossil fuels for electricity. So they went nuclear. That's why they produce a fraction of the CO2 per KWH of electricity used than we do. And it's been the same story every single day for several decades.

SeanW · 24-06-2019 6:46pm

Colton Scrawny Dude wrote: »

Legal proceedings are being undertaken against the state to try to force a responsible attitude to dealing with pollution. The litigators encourage people to sign up stating they support the case, - which is kinda like a petition, but is maybe also different in terms of what direct effect is being looked for.

https://www.climatecaseireland.ie/

Yet those same bozos probably oppose the use of nuclear electricity.

BeerWolf · 24-06-2019 7:38pm

Dental plan!

s7ryf3925pivug · 24-06-2019 11:02pm

SeanW wrote: »

Yet those same bozos probably oppose the use of nuclear electricity.

I think their focus is Ireland's defiance of EU directives to quit destroying bogs. Coal burning is related to that because coal companies have threatened litigation if they block burning coal but not turf/peat.

Nuclear power was a good idea 40 years ago. We got a coal plant instead because of bozos. But I doubt the barristers behind this case were involved in 1970s protests against nuclear power in Ireland. [Today renewables are a better option.]

glimmering · 25-06-2019 7:30pm

Climate change is a big scam! Why? Because based on a false theory we have to change how we live and be fleeced. And I see that most have swallowed all their mainstream media propaganda. Isn't it funny all this hysteria about saving the planet and not one mention of Agenda 21. Because that's what it is really all about - under the guise of saving the planet they are getting the public to accept and rally for Agenda 21 without actually telling them about it. Clever, eh?! Agenda 21 is the United Nations Agenda for the 21st century. It's THE Agenda for this century.

Climate Change was invented by a think tank called the Club of Rome. You can read about it in their book 'The First Global Revolution'

Here's a quote from it: “The common enemy of humanity is man.
In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these
dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through
changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome.
The real enemy then, is humanity itself."
- Club of Rome

Depopulation is a big part of this agenda. Not because of the weather or the environment but so that it's more manageable for the global establishment and so we don't waste all their resources.

It's actually international bankers who are behind the whole thing. All these carbon credits are going into these 'Green Banks'. How does that solve the worlds' problems, eh? And that conman Al Gore is making a killing going around telling countries what they should be doing to fight 'climate change' He said about 10 years ago that the Ice caps would be all melted by now and have they, no! And we need carbon. We breath it out and plants thrive on it. If we had 0% carbon everything would be dead. The majority of greenhouse gases is water vapour, a trace gas.

People should look at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx0Lneudv7g

(George Hunt interview – “Say What Is UNCED – The Elite and the Environmental Movement” – #135)

Zillah · 25-06-2019 7:41pm

glimmering wrote: »

Climate change is a big scam! Why? Because based on a false theory we have to change how we live and be fleeced. And I see that most have swallowed all their mainstream media propaganda. Isn't it funny all this hysteria about saving the planet and not one mention of Agenda 21. Because that's what it is really all about - under the guise of saving the planet they are getting the public to accept and rally for Agenda 21 without actually telling them about it. Clever, eh?! Agenda 21 is the United Nations Agenda for the 21st century. It's THE Agenda for this century.

Climate Change was invented by a think tank called the Club of Rome. You can read about it in their book 'The First Global Revolution'

Here's a quote from it: “The common enemy of humanity is man.
In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these
dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through
changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome.
The real enemy then, is humanity itself."
- Club of Rome

Depopulation is a big part of this agenda. Not because of the weather or the environment but so that it's more manageable for the global establishment and so we don't waste all their resources.

It's actually international bankers who are behind the whole thing. All these carbon credits are going into these 'Green Banks'. How does that solve the worlds' problems, eh? And that conman Al Gore is making a killing going around telling countries what they should be doing to fight 'climate change' He said about 10 years ago that the Ice caps would be all melted by now and have they, no! And we need carbon. We breath it out and plants thrive on it. If we had 0% carbon everything would be dead. The majority of greenhouse gases is water vapour, a trace gas.

People should look at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx0Lneudv7g

(George Hunt interview – “Say What Is UNCED – The Elite and the Environmental Movement” – #135)

So, the Reverse Vampires are teaming up with the Saucer People to eradicate the meal of dinner...? Do I have that right?

mad muffin · 25-06-2019 8:46pm

glimmering wrote: »

Climate change is a big scam! Why? Because based on a false theory we have to change how we live and be fleeced. And I see that most have swallowed all their mainstream media propaganda. Isn't it funny all this hysteria about saving the planet and not one mention of Agenda 21. Because that's what it is really all about - under the guise of saving the planet they are getting the public to accept and rally for Agenda 21 without actually telling them about it. Clever, eh?! Agenda 21 is the United Nations Agenda for the 21st century. It's THE Agenda for this century.

Climate Change was invented by a think tank called the Club of Rome. You can read about it in their book 'The First Global Revolution'

Here's a quote from it: “The common enemy of humanity is man.
In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these
dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through
changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome.
The real enemy then, is humanity itself."
- Club of Rome

Depopulation is a big part of this agenda. Not because of the weather or the environment but so that it's more manageable for the global establishment and so we don't waste all their resources.

It's actually international bankers who are behind the whole thing. All these carbon credits are going into these 'Green Banks'. How does that solve the worlds' problems, eh? And that conman Al Gore is making a killing going around telling countries what they should be doing to fight 'climate change' He said about 10 years ago that the Ice caps would be all melted by now and have they, no! And we need carbon. We breath it out and plants thrive on it. If we had 0% carbon everything would be dead. The majority of greenhouse gases is water vapour, a trace gas.

People should look at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx0Lneudv7g

(George Hunt interview – “Say What Is UNCED – The Elite and the Environmental Movement” – #135)

Absolutely right. It’s always the same from every government. Raise taxes use less resources. Make due with less.

Yet corporations just keep on chugging along making record profits.

Here is another interesting video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViY2J3LPgN4

glimmering · 26-06-2019 10:33am

Zillah wrote: »

So, the Reverse Vampires are teaming up with the Saucer People to eradicate the meal of dinner...? Do I have that right?

When an individual is awake and aware and tries to tell the ignorant (which unfortunately is the majority of the public) about the true reality of this world, the response is usually the conditioned response of " that's a conspiracy theory" or some knee jerk reaction. In other words, and in the words of Dr.Stanley Monteith "reality is usually scoffed at and illusion is usually king."

Deebles McBeebles · 26-06-2019 10:40am

glimmering wrote: »

When an individual is awake and aware and tries to tell the ignorant (which unfortunately is the majority of the public) about the true reality of this world, the response is usually the conditioned response of " that's a conspiracy theory" or some knee jerk reaction. In other words, and in the words of Dr.Stanley Monteith "reality is usually scoffed at and illusion is usually king."

You left out a bit;
"Hoping to convince you, that reality is usually scoffed at, and illusion is usually king, but in the battle for the survival of Christian civilization it will be reality and not illusion or delusion that will determine what the future will bring"

He sounds like a real catch
http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2014/03/961-stanley-monteith.html

jmayo · 26-06-2019 10:46am

glimmering wrote: »

Climate change is a big scam!

No it is not.
But the way that authorities, governments, NGOs are choosing to deal with it is a bloody scam in my opinion.

glimmering wrote: »

Climate Change was invented by a think tank called the Club of Rome. You can read about it in their book 'The First Global Revolution'

There is definitely climate change.
If you ever get a chance go visit Jasper National Park in Canada.
Go to the Columbia Icefield and just walk between the markers that illustrate where the glacier was over the decades.
Then try and tell us that the worlds glacier are not rapidly shrinking before our eyes.

glimmering wrote: »

It's actually international bankers who are behind the whole thing. All these carbon credits are going into these 'Green Banks'. How does that solve the worlds' problems, eh? And that conman Al Gore is making a killing going around telling countries what they should be doing to fight 'climate change' He said about 10 years ago that the Ice caps would be all melted by now and have they, no! And we need carbon. We breath it out and plants thrive on it. If we had 0% carbon everything would be dead. The majority of greenhouse gases is water vapour, a trace gas.

Even if you have a point about carbon credits are a farce, once you start on about international banker conspiracies you immediately come across as a loon.
There are huge issues with depletion of rain forests and forests in places like Siberia, but you don't appear to think that is an issue.

Professor Moriarty · 26-06-2019 11:36am

glimmering wrote: »

Climate change is a big scam! Why? Because based on a false theory we have to change how we live and be fleeced. And I see that most have swallowed all their mainstream media propaganda. Isn't it funny all this hysteria about saving the planet and not one mention of Agenda 21. Because that's what it is really all about - under the guise of saving the planet they are getting the public to accept and rally for Agenda 21 without actually telling them about it. Clever, eh?! Agenda 21 is the United Nations Agenda for the 21st century. It's THE Agenda for this century.

Climate Change was invented by a think tank called the Club of Rome. You can read about it in their book 'The First Global Revolution'

Here's a quote from it: “The common enemy of humanity is man.
In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these
dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through
changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome.
The real enemy then, is humanity itself."
- Club of Rome

Depopulation is a big part of this agenda. Not because of the weather or the environment but so that it's more manageable for the global establishment and so we don't waste all their resources.

It's actually international bankers who are behind the whole thing. All these carbon credits are going into these 'Green Banks'. How does that solve the worlds' problems, eh? And that conman Al Gore is making a killing going around telling countries what they should be doing to fight 'climate change' He said about 10 years ago that the Ice caps would be all melted by now and have they, no! And we need carbon. We breath it out and plants thrive on it. If we had 0% carbon everything would be dead. The majority of greenhouse gases is water vapour, a trace gas.

People should look at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx0Lneudv7g

(George Hunt interview – “Say What Is UNCED – The Elite and the Environmental Movement” – #135)

There was me thinking this was satire. The video you suggested I look at? It's 2.5 hours long and refers to a conference that took place 25 years ago. So I won't waste my time. Climate change is a scam? Eh, no. Just out of idle curiosity, what's your take on vaccinations?

Zillah · 26-06-2019 11:59am

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

It's 2.5 hours

These things usually eat up outrageous run times, and I think it is related to the fact that any message, however unsubstantiated, becomes more convincing the more you hear it. So if you have ten hours of videos explaining the same theory about, say, the Reverse Vampires, over and over again, a lot of otherwise sensible people will come out at the end thinking "He might be on to something there..."

Professor Moriarty · 26-06-2019 12:18pm

Zillah wrote: »

These things usually eat up outrageous run times, and I think it is related to the fact that any message, however unsubstantiated, becomes more convincing the more you hear it. So if you have ten hours of videos explaining the same theory about, say, the Reverse Vampires, over and over again, a lot of otherwise sensible people will come out at the end thinking "He might be on to something there..."

Batter them into submission.

Zillah · 26-06-2019 12:28pm

Christ almighty. I decided to listen to a random few minutes of it, and the first place I clicked is a radio show where they are talking about how small pox vaccines in Africa were just an excuse to inject people with HIV, but then we're also told that HIV doesn't exist, it's just Malaria and they are using it as a scam to get money into Africa...

Water John · 26-06-2019 12:43pm

Might I suggest a second thread called Climate Action Plan Denial. Those of that mind can then have a forum free from us who actually want to discuss, opinionate on the best strategies within the Climate Action Plan.

Jimmy Garlic · 26-06-2019 12:54pm

jmayo wrote: »

No it is not.
But the way that authorities, governments, NGOs are choosing to deal with it is a bloody scam in my opinion.

The globalised economy won't even need a fraction of the labour, automation will make vast amounts of people working today redundant in the future. Consumerism on a mass scale will be a thing of the past as society is transformed into an austere "green" system on a supranational scale based on the communist model. That's the future for most people. Poverty will be seen as "sacrifice" for "saving the planet" as the standard of living (including the standard of living for virtue signalling iPhone encrusted leafy suburb cheerleaders) drops like a lead balloon in the next twenty years.

Ronaldinho · 26-06-2019 1:06pm

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Consumerism on a mass scale will be a thing of the past

Anything can happen but I think this is extremely unlikely. Too many vested interests that will shape policy to keep people buying stuff. What will happen is a changing pattern of consumption depending on the zeitgeist. Nothing new in that though.

mad muffin · 26-06-2019 1:07pm

Water John wrote: »

Might I suggest a second thread called Climate Action Plan Denial. Those of that mind can then have a forum free from us who actually want to discuss, opinionate on the best strategies within the Climate Action Plan.

Oh pleas enlighten us…

Tell me how raising taxes is going to fix anything?

How will we be dealing with the pollution of making batteries on a massive scale?

How will we deal with disposing of said batteries?

The electricity that will be required to charge these batteries?

The wait whilst the battery takes 45 minutes to charge?

All the plastic that goes into making ev’s?

All the charging stations that are necessary and the infrastructure that goes around that?

The corporations that keep pumping out plastic waist?

Discuss away my enlightened one…

Zillah · 26-06-2019 1:11pm

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

The globalised economy won't even need a fraction of the labour, automation will make vast amounts of people working today redundant in the future. Consumerism on a mass scale will be a thing of the past as society is transformed into an austere "green" system on a supranational scale based on the communist model. That's the future for most people. Poverty will be seen as "sacrifice" for "saving the planet" as the standard of living (including the standard of living for virtue signalling iPhone encrusted leafy suburb cheerleaders) drops like a lead balloon in the next twenty years.

I love how the socialist liberal green people - who advocate for better protection for the poor, better social welfare, strong unions, and, if at all possible, universal basic income - are the bad guys in your scenario, whereas the capitalists - who openly break the law, engage in intimidation and huge marketing campaigns to break and disempower unions; who spend tens of millions lobbying governments to lower the minimum wage and other worker protection laws, who want to grind as much labour as humanly possible out of their workforce while paying as little as humanly possible; who are the very people creating the automation to try to remove human employment from their profiteering - are the good guys in your scenario.

It's the chickens cheerleading the fox. The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing poor people that capitalists are on their side.

Jimmy Garlic · 26-06-2019 1:30pm

Zillah wrote: »

I love how the socialist liberal green people - who advocate for better protection for the poor, better social welfare, strong unions, and, if at all possible, universal basic income - are the bad guys in your scenario, whereas the capitalists - who openly break the law, engage in intimidation and huge marketing campaigns to break and disempower unions; who spend tens of millions lobbying governments to lower the minimum wage and other worker protection laws, who want to grind as much labour as humanly possible out of their workforce while paying as little as humanly possible; who are the very people creating the automation to try to remove human employment from their profiteering - are the good guys in your scenario.

It's the chickens cheerleading the fox. The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing poor people that capitalists are on their side.

I think you are mixing up capitalism with corporatism. The majority of "green" leaning people amongst us are fixated on climate change, they are not talking about anything else.
In for a shock when their imagined utopian future doesn't come to pass as they try to scrape by on their universal basic income.

Zillah · 26-06-2019 1:44pm

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

The majority of "green" leaning people amongst us are fixated on climate change

To whom do you refer? Green parties across the world advocate for strong social systems as part of a broad egalitarian philosophy.

Jimmy Garlic · 26-06-2019 2:00pm

Zillah wrote: »

To whom do you refer? Green parties across the world advocate for strong social systems as part of a broad egalitarian philosophy.

They have a fairly broad communist philosophy behind the green veneer, watermelons. The advocate for nanny state socialism and would hinder any any medium or small business that doesn't tick their boxes. They wouldn't bother global corporations though, they will be "carbon neutral".

Zillah · 26-06-2019 2:13pm

I see. So, on one hand they are fixated completely on green issues, but on the other hand they have a communist philosophy, but also they are in bed with big corporations.

Not entirely a coherent position, I must say.

jmayo · 26-06-2019 3:44pm

mad muffin wrote: »

Oh pleas enlighten us…

Tell me how raising taxes is going to fix anything?

How will we be dealing with the pollution of making batteries on a massive scale?

How will we deal with disposing of said batteries?

The electricity that will be required to charge these batteries?

The wait whilst the battery takes 45 minutes to charge?

All the plastic that goes into making ev’s?

All the charging stations that are necessary and the infrastructure that goes around that?

The corporations that keep pumping out plastic waist?

Discuss away my enlightened one…

I thought they meant a forum for those denying climate change rather than denying there is huge unanswered questions around the proposals to deal with climate change.
All of your points I think are the latter and I agree with them.

I just love the latest drive for electric vehicles but no concept of how all that electricity will be generated. :rolleyes:
Ah but the refrain is renewables and wind power.
Then of course none of them admit the amount of plastic involved in building those fancy huge wind turbine blades nor the creation of all that concrete necessary to build the platforms for them, especially the ones offshore.
And where does the electricity come from when there is no wind, oh yeah from the interconnector with neighbours that generate with nuclear.

One can only laugh.

Zillah wrote: »

I see. So, on one hand they are fixated completely on green issues, but on the other hand they have a communist philosophy, but also they are in bed with big corporations.

Not entirely a coherent position, I must say.

Actually sums up some greens right enough.

mad muffin · 26-06-2019 5:22pm

jmayo wrote: »

I thought they meant a forum for those denying climate change rather than denying there is huge unanswered questions around the proposals to deal with climate change.
All of your points I think are the latter and I agree with them.

I just love the latest drive for electric vehicles but no concept of how all that electricity will be generated. :rolleyes:
Ah but the refrain is renewables and wind power.
Then of course none of them admit the amount of plastic involved in building those fancy huge wind turbine blades nor the creation of all that concrete necessary to build the platforms for them, especially the ones offshore.
And where does the electricity come from when there is no wind, oh yeah from the interconnector with neighbours that generate with nuclear.

One can only laugh.

Actually sums up some greens right enough.

Indeed.

My reading comprehension failed me.

Tokyo · 27-06-2019 1:27am

Mod: Moved from AH > CA.

gozunda · 27-06-2019 2:50am

jmayo wrote: »

I thought they meant a forum for those denying climate change rather than denying there is huge unanswered questions around the proposals to deal with climate change.
All of your points I think are the latter and I agree with them.
I just love the latest drive for electric vehicles but no concept of how all that electricity will be generated. :rolleyes:
Ah but the refrain is renewables and wind power.
Then of course none of them admit the amount of plastic involved in building those fancy huge wind turbine blades nor the creation of all that concrete necessary to build the platforms for them, especially the ones offshore.
And where does the electricity come from when there is no wind, oh yeah from the interconnector with neighbours that generate with nuclear.
One can only laugh.
Actually sums up some greens right enough.

With regard to renewalables and green energy- the fact is that China is leading the way in the manufacture, production and selling of much of this technology to the west - with an near exponential growth in these industries there.

All well and good - until it is pointed out that that the bulk of Chinese industries are fueled by coal powered power stations and that China is the biggest emitter of CO2 in the world ...

Who is kidding who here I wonder ...

Atlantic Dawn · 27-06-2019 3:06am

Ireland
Flooding - 90% plus of it caused by poor planning in building houses where they should never have been allowed in the first place or as a result of zero clearing of blockages of current drainage. Walking around Dublin City Centre recently at least 80% plus of the drains are critically blocked, does anyone do any kind of inspection lately or is that only done when someone drowns that they decide to look at them?
Bus lanes - If a bus lane doesn't have verifiable bus use every 5 minutes at all times it should be open to all traffic as it's a complete waste of a criritical resource.
Cars - Allowing diesel cars in the city centre is a good idea to kill people, less people less pollution.
Cars - Encourage people to keep older cars rather than having a new car built/imported for them, reduce motor tax on 10 year old cars to €500 at a max regardless of engine capacity.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 27-06-2019 3:56am

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Ireland
Flooding - 90% plus of it caused by poor planning in building houses where they should never have been allowed in the first place or as a result of zero clearing of blockages of current drainage. Walking around Dublin City Centre recently at least 80% plus of the drains are critically blocked, does anyone do any kind of inspection lately or is that only done when someone drowns that they decide to look at them?
Bus lanes - If a bus lane doesn't have verifiable bus use every 5 minutes at all times it should be open to all traffic as it's a complete waste of a criritical resource.
Cars - Allowing diesel cars in the city centre is a good idea to kill people, less people less pollution.
Cars - Encourage people to keep older cars rather than having a new car built/imported for them, reduce motor tax on 10 year old cars to €500 at a max regardless of engine capacity.

There's also too much hot showering and clothes washing going on.

We must impose restrictions. 1 bath per person per week.

Clothes should be washed once per month at a local government facility.

jmayo · 27-06-2019 1:19pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Ireland
Flooding - 90% plus of it caused by poor planning in building houses where they should never have been allowed in the first place or as a result of zero clearing of blockages of current drainage. Walking around Dublin City Centre recently at least 80% plus of the drains are critically blocked, does anyone do any kind of inspection lately or is that only done when someone drowns that they decide to look at them?
Bus lanes - If a bus lane doesn't have verifiable bus use every 5 minutes at all times it should be open to all traffic as it's a complete waste of a criritical resource.
Cars - Allowing diesel cars in the city centre is a good idea to kill people, less people less pollution.
Cars - Encourage people to keep older cars rather than having a new car built/imported for them, reduce motor tax on 10 year old cars to €500 at a max regardless of engine capacity.

I always remember driving the N4 out of Carrick On Shannon towards Sligo and the land along the Shannon used to be flooded after heavy rain.
Lo and behold back in early 2000 they decided to build townhouses, site a Supervalu and Supermacs on said land.
Then one year while back the place literally turned into Venice.

On the other side of town there is also area that floods, but they still built retail part on it and had to put stilts down to raise another part above the almost year long high water line.

Worse still now sections of land that acted as flood off areas and extra soakage are now under concrete and tarmac meaning you shove the problem further along and make the problem worse somewhere else.

The clowns just look at current emissions and not what emissions are created in building and shipping that ultra new high tech car.

Professor Moriarty · 27-06-2019 1:51pm

jmayo wrote: »

I always remember driving the N4 out of Carrick On Shannon towards Sligo and the land along the Shannon used to be flooded after heavy rain.
Lo and behold back in early 2000 they decided to build townhouses, site a Supervalu and Supermacs on said land.
Then one year while back the place literally turned into Venice.

On the other side of town there is also area that floods, but they still built retail part on it and had to put stilts down to raise another part above the almost year long high water line.

Worse still now sections of land that acted as flood off areas and extra soakage are now under concrete and tarmac meaning you shove the problem further along and make the problem worse somewhere else.

The clowns just look at current emissions and not what emissions are created in building and shipping that ultra new high tech car.

At least the "clowns" are well-intended. Unlike pig ignorant climate change deniers.

Jimmy Garlic · 01-07-2019 11:10am

As the Irish government prepares Ireland to take it in the ass yet again for their lords and masters in Brussels so German diesel cars can be sold in south America it couldn't be any clearer that their climate pontificating is nothing more than a money making scheme. Bend over. Open the markets for more slash and burn beef because Germany says so. Rainforest? What about it, Germany gets what Germany wants, they will have their fun, and that's all that matters.

Thelonious Monk · 01-07-2019 11:27am

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

As the Irish government prepares Ireland to take it in the ass yet again for their lords and masters in Brussels so German diesel cars can be sold in south America it couldn't be any clearer that their climate pontificating is nothing more than a money making scheme. Bend over. Open the markets for more slash and burn beef because Germany says so. Rainforest? What about it, Germany gets what Germany wants, they will have their fun, and that's all that matters.

We can hardly give out to others for chopping down trees, ours is gone a long time and we haven’t exactly replaced them. I don’t understand why so many people are beef farmers in Ireland if it seems to be such a constant struggle for them. Do something else.

Emme · 01-07-2019 12:17pm

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

As the Irish government prepares Ireland to take it in the ass yet again for their lords and masters in Brussels so German diesel cars can be sold in south America it couldn't be any clearer that their climate pontificating is nothing more than a money making scheme. Bend over. Open the markets for more slash and burn beef because Germany says so. Rainforest? What about it, Germany gets what Germany wants, they will have their fun, and that's all that matters.

The Irish taxpayer (particularly farmers) must make sacrifices so that German SUVs can be sold to South American beef farmers. Alejandro, Pedro, Miguel, Sebastián et al. will need the SUVs to drive around their vast cattle ranches. After all those South American beef farmers will be supplying the EU with meat.

In the meantime Irish beef farmers will have to dramatically scale down production in order to reduce methane emissions from cattle and stop vegans from getting offended.

The vegans don't want to destroy the planet with CO2 so they won't be flying to South America to protest about SUV driving ranchers flying their beef 7,500 miles to the EU. That's a hell of a lot of methane and CO2 from South America's end.

Luckily there will be no emissions from Ireland's end because it will be metaphorically occupied by the rod of the EU. Ireland is a great little country, we are always willing to accommodate!

Jimmy Garlic · 01-07-2019 12:22pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

We can hardly give out to others for chopping down trees, ours is gone a long time and we haven’t exactly replaced them. I don’t understand why so many people are beef farmers in Ireland if it seems to be such a constant struggle for them. Do something else.

Spoken like someone who knows little about farming. Cattle have been raised in Ireland for at least 5000 years. The conditions here suit beef farming, they suit livestock rearing in general. In Brazil they have to cut down an area of forest, burn it spray it with copious amounts of herbicides, some of which have been banned in Europe for decades. When the soil depletes and/or erodes they move on to the next area, rinse and repeat.

That's ok with you is it? Seems to be fine with the Irish government who will vote for it and do as they are told. The green party has nothing to say, complete silence from them regarding the issue.

Thelonious Monk · 01-07-2019 12:24pm

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Spoken like someone who knows little about farming. Cattle have been raised in Ireland for at least 5000 years. The conditions here suit beef farming, they suit livestock rearing in general. In Brazil they have to cut down an area of forest, burn it spray it with copious amounts of herbicides, some of which have been banned in Europe for decades. When the soil depletes and/or erodes they move on to the next area, rinse and repeat.

That's ok with you is it? Seems to be fine with the Irish government who will vote for it and do as they are told. The green party has nothing to say, complete silence from them regarding the issue.

Who's forcing people to buy this beef? Will they be selling it in Ireland? Surely if Irish beef is better and more environmentally friendly, people will buy that no?

Thelonious Monk · 01-07-2019 12:25pm

Emme wrote: »

In the meantime Irish beef farmers will have to dramatically scale down production in order to reduce methane emissions from cattle and stop vegans from getting offended.

Who suggested they'd ever be scaling down? If anything they'll be increasing output in the coming years.
Also why are you going on about vegans? What do they have to do with this?

gozunda · 01-07-2019 12:30pm

Emme wrote: »

The Irish taxpayer (particularly farmers) must make sacrifices so that German SUVs can be sold to South American beef farmers. Alejandro, Pedro, Miguel, Sebastián et al. will need the SUVs to drive around their vast cattle ranches. After all those South American beef farmers will be supplying the EU with meat.

In the meantime Irish beef farmers will have to dramatically scale down production in order to reduce methane emissions from cattle and stop vegans from getting offended.

The vegans don't want to destroy the planet with CO2 so they won't be flying to South America to protest about SUV driving ranchers flying their beef 7,500 miles to the EU. That's a hell of a lot of methane and CO2 from South America's end.

Luckily there will be no emissions from Ireland's end because it will be metaphorically occupied by the rod of the EU. Ireland is a great little country, we are always willing to accommodate!

You jest. But there's a hell of a lot of truth there.

That's the best summing up of the current status quo I read in a long time tbh. Thanks.

Emme · 01-07-2019 12:30pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Who suggested they'd ever be scaling down? If anything they'll be increasing output in the coming years.

Hopefully. However if the EU is going to be flooded with South American beef (check out the Farmers Journal and farming websites for details) it might affect the demand for Irish beef, it will certainly drive down the price.

Ireland is getting beaten particularly hard with the climate change stick for a small island on the edge of Europe. We are getting it every which way and sadly that includes methane from cattle productions.

Perhaps Irish beef will become a premium product which will cost more than the South American beef. Hopefully that will be the case otherwise production will not be worthwhile because Irish farmers have to jump through so many hoops already. That costs money.

Thelonious Monk · 01-07-2019 12:35pm

Emme wrote: »

Ireland is getting beaten particularly hard with the climate change stick for a small island on the edge of Europe. We are getting it every which way and sadly that includes methane from cattle productions.

We're not, we're doing nothing about it, relax.
Plus some say Argentinian beef is the best in the world, hardly an inferior product.

Thelonious Monk · 01-07-2019 12:44pm

Funny how Irish farmers suddenly give a f*ck about the environment and trees and carbon in brazil, lol. You care about money that's all.

Jupiter Mulligan · 01-07-2019 1:03pm

Emme wrote: »

Ireland is getting beaten particularly hard with the climate change stick for a small island on the edge of Europe. We are getting it every which way and sadly that includes methane from cattle productions.

Who is doing the beating?

Might it be the same EU that is currently throwing tens of millions annually at Irish farmers?

s7ryf3925pivug · 01-07-2019 1:04pm

Scaling back beef production
- would mitigate the big fines we're facing for failing to reduce emissions
- would reduce emissions that contribute to global warming, which has potentially catastrophic effects.

This is a good idea. Nothing to do with imaginary vegan stereotypes getting offended.

Brazil's position on climate change is a major problem. If no diplomatic or reasonable solution can be reached with them they should be viewed as a rogue state. They should not be emulated, or competed with on the same terms.

Climate change mitigation is going to be contentious, and implementing change in a fair and efficient way is inherently challenging. The measures that are going ahead are what suits those in power, not what are most efficient or fair. It's up to people to push for change to happen in a fair way and efficient way.

The first step in that is to quantify how much different activities contribute to greenhouse gases. Air travel is a huge contributor, but I've heard nothing mentioned about taxing the absurdly cheap flights. Coal and peat burning is a huge contributor but the government changed their mind about making the former illegal domestically nationwide. Bog destruction is a huge contributor but they defy EU directives to stop. Meanwhile their proposed measures of retrofits are going to cost a huge amount of money, and are unlikely to be fair in terms of who pays and who benefits.

jmayo · 01-07-2019 1:15pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

We can hardly give out to others for chopping down trees, ours is gone a long time and we haven’t exactly replaced them. I don’t understand why so many people are beef farmers in Ireland if it seems to be such a constant struggle for them. Do something else.

The highlighted words sums it up perfectly.

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Funny how Irish farmers suddenly give a f*ck about the environment and trees and carbon in brazil, lol. You care about money that's all.

You really have the horn to have a go at farmers every chance you get.

Ulysses Gaze · 01-07-2019 1:36pm

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

At least the "clowns" are well-intended. Unlike pig ignorant climate change deniers.

Because that will end the climate crisis.

Good intentions and virtue signalling.

Professor Moriarty · 01-07-2019 1:58pm

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Because that will end the climate crisis.

Good intentions and virtue signalling.

Good intentions are better that sarcastic and irrelevant oneliners from people who are too afraid to accept the truth.

Emme · 01-07-2019 2:34pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

We're not, we're doing nothing about it, relax.
Plus some say Argentinian beef is the best in the world, hardly an inferior product.

OK, if I ever go to Buenos Aires or Patagonia I might try some. However in Ireland I would rather have Irish beef rather than something that has been flown 4,500 miles across the sea.

Thelonious Monk · 01-07-2019 3:01pm

Emme wrote: »

OK, if I ever go to Buenos Aires or Patagonia I might try some. However in Ireland I would rather have Irish beef rather than something that has been flown 4,500 miles across the sea.

I hardly think we'll be replacing Irish beef with Argentinian beef in Ireland, you needn't worry.
I was in Chile about 10 years ago and there was Irish beef in the supermarkets, which seems nuts given they border with Argentina.

Emme · 01-07-2019 4:35pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I hardly think we'll be replacing Irish beef with Argentinian beef in Ireland, you needn't worry.
I was in Chile about 10 years ago and there was Irish beef in the supermarkets, which seems nuts given they border with Argentina.

It seems strange all right.

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