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Climate Action Plan

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    #242
    jmayo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,147 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    El_Bee wrote: »
    To all the people saying we need to have fewer kids (and I'm not fully opposed to that btw), how long would the words "Africa & Asia need to begin population control measures" be out of your mouth before your collar is felt for being a nazi?

    Well lets look at say Ethiopia, remember the country that couldn't feed itself in 1985 and those nice Irish lads bob and Bonhead helped with Live Aid and Band Aid.
    The population of Ethiopia then was around 40 million.
    Today it is 110 Million.
    How is that sustainable ?

    Now I know the major war eventually petered out although they still are kinda at war with Eritrea and they still spend lots of money on arms, but have the droughts stopped, has the climate totally changed in the intervening years ?
    Mr. teddywinkles wrote: »
    For the life of me can't understand how a million plus cars are going to be charged constantly. Going to be some wait at charging garages.

    Ah sure everyone can charge them at home.
    Well so long as you don't live in an apartment, a townhouse or in an on street terrace. :rolleyes:


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    #243
    SirGerryAdams
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 499 ✭✭SirGerryAdams


    I see Aer Lingus bought 6 more planes for new routes!

    I wonder how many houses you'd have to retrofit to the balls just to make up for the emissions these throw out or the number of cars you'd have to take off the road?!!!

    https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2019/0618/1056063-aer-lingus-new-airbus-planes/


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    #244
    Blueshoe
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    SirGerryAdams wrote: »
    I see Aer Lingus bought 6 more planes for new routes!

    I wonder how many houses you'd have to retrofit to the balls just to make up for the emissions these throw out or the number of cars you'd have to take off the road?!!!

    https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2019/0618/1056063-aer-lingus-new-airbus-planes/

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    #245
    howiya
    Registered Users Posts: 3,244 ✭✭✭howiya


    Is there anything in the plan to incentivise landlords to improve the energy efficiency of their properties?


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    #246
    _Kaiser_
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    howiya wrote: »
    Is there anything in the plan to incentivise landlords to improve the energy efficiency of their properties?

    Even if there is, it'll just be passed on to the tenant anyway - as if there's not enough issues with the rental market!

    Then there's the BTL landlords who maybe haven't set foot in the place since they bought it. Can't see them spending a fortune on a house they've never lived in.


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    #247
    Hector Ring
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    The elephant in the room here as far as I can see is that in this country those charged with implementing policy are not up to the job. It has been mentioned that this is a €50bn. project but if the scale of the cost overrun on our world famous NCH is duplicated it will end up costing €300bn. which individual households will be expected to pay. But this being Ireland we will first be screwed to the floor with carbon taxes and regulations while the Nirvana towards which we are to be "nudged" collapses into a chaotic morass of incompetence, over promising and arse covering. Yes we will become world leaders as the Green Party are urging us to be but not as the glowing example to the rest of the world they envisage, " Jump, twil be grand " is not a very convincing policy. So perhaps instead of nudging us off a cliff with the cattle prod of taxation and restriction the government should put alternatives in place which I think most people would be happy to adopt.


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    #248
    Kivaro
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    jmayo wrote: »
    Well lets look at say Ethiopia, remember the country that couldn't feed itself in 1985 and those nice Irish lads bob and Bonhead helped with Live Aid and Band Aid.
    The population of Ethiopia then was around 40 million.
    Today it is 110 Million.
    How is that sustainable ?
    If we look at the continent of Africa, there will be an additional 1 BILLION people there in the next 30 years. How is that sustainable?
    In 30 years from now, the population of Nigeria will be over 400 MILLION people.

    Fine Gael's Brian Hayes made a statement about turning Nigeria's huge population increase to Ireland's advantage. Link: https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/brian-hayes-eu-could-disintegrate-on-back-of-migration-policy-failure-1.2410453

    Always wondered what he meant by that? Should Ireland take in an additional 10 MILLION Nigerians? How could we turn Nigeria's population increase to Ireland's advantage. Currently 55% to 60% of Africans living in Ireland are not working. How is this benefiting the country?
    You just have to wonder sometimes about the mindset of these liberal elitist politicians in Brussels. They live in some type of parallel Universe that has no logical connection to the rest of us .............. a kind of Twilight Zone.


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    #249
    windy shepard henderson
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    Kivaro wrote: »
    If we look at the continent of Africa, there will be an additional 1 BILLION people there in the next 30 years. How is that sustainable?
    In 30 years from now, the population of Nigeria will be over 400 MILLION people.

    Fine Gael's Brian Hayes made a statement about turning Nigeria's huge population increase to Ireland's advantage. Link: https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/brian-hayes-eu-could-disintegrate-on-back-of-migration-policy-failure-1.2410453

    Always wondered what he meant by that? Should Ireland take in an additional 10 MILLION Nigerians? How could we turn Nigeria's population increase to Ireland's advantage. Currently 55% to 60% of Africans living in Ireland are not working. How is this benefiting the country?
    You just have to wonder sometimes about the mindset of these liberal elitist politicians in Brussels. They live in some type of parallel Universe that has no logical connection to the rest of us .............. a kind of Twilight Zone.

    i imagine its only a matter of time before the americans get sick of the middle east and head south in the quest for freedom :rolleyes:

    everyone would have expected trump to get the ball rolling but he is to busy on twitter i imagine :rolleyes:


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    #250
    is_that_so
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    howiya wrote: »
    Is there anything in the plan to incentivise landlords to improve the energy efficiency of their properties?
    There will be grants, as yet undefined in size, to help encourage people to retrofit. I'm guessing landlords will be able to set it all against tax as well.


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    #251
    facehugger99
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    Kivaro wrote: »
    How could we turn Nigeria's population increase to Ireland's advantage.

    Increased Guinness sales I presume.


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    #252
    howiya
    Registered Users Posts: 3,244 ✭✭✭howiya


    is_that_so wrote: »
    There will be grants, as yet undefined in size, to help encourage people to retrofit. I'm guessing landlords will be able to set it all against tax as well.

    So unless a landlord is willing to invest in their property, tenants will be faced with increased energy bills along with increasing rent?


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    #253
    is_that_so
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    howiya wrote: »
    So unless a landlord is willing to invest in their property, tenants will be faced with increased energy bills along with increasing rent?
    New builds will be up to spec. It's all that planned retrofitting, some of which is already underway anyway. Rents will stabilise and in time drift downwards as supply sorts itself out. I'd say at the end of all of this great plan there will probably be a rump left over and as long as it's not too big some coercion may need to be applied to the laggards like say making it illegal to have a domestic BER lower than say a B and illegal not to have a BER for a rental property.


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    #254
    howiya
    Registered Users Posts: 3,244 ✭✭✭howiya


    is_that_so wrote: »
    New builds will be up to spec. It's all that planned retrofitting, some of which is already underway anyway. Rents will stabilise and in time drift downwards as supply sorts itself out. I'd say at the end of all of this great plan there will probably be a rump left over and as long as it's not too big some coercion may need to be applied to the laggards like say making it illegal to have a domestic BER lower than say a B and illegal not to have a BER for a rental property.

    Any timeframe in this great plan?


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    #255
    d8491prj5boyvg
    Closed Accounts Posts: 508 ✭✭✭d8491prj5boyvg


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Needs more of the carrot than the stick initially and the governance thing is essential. Good in principle and some clear targets but we'll see.:)

    Stick all the way!


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    #256
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,964 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    howiya wrote: »
    Any timeframe in this great plan?

    It's Ireland so somewhere between 50 years and never.


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    #257
    howiya
    Registered Users Posts: 3,244 ✭✭✭howiya


    Blueshoe wrote: »
    It's Ireland so somewhere between 50 years and never.

    Yet the carbon tax increase will likely come in in the next budget or two


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    #258
    whisky_galore
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    howiya wrote: »
    Is there anything in the plan to incentivise landlords to improve the energy efficiency of their properties?

    Bahahaha! Have to set a fire under landlords here to get them to replace anything that's no longer fit for use let alone making improvements large and small that doesn't benefit them or puts cash in their pockets.


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    #259
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users Posts: 15,895 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    howiya wrote: »
    Any timeframe in this great plan?

    Rocks would be formed in less time.


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    #260
    [Deleted User]
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    The US is facing astronomical costs - in the hundreds of billions of dollars - if it wants to protect existing coastal communities from flooding. What's more likely, however, is that most of these communities will be evacuated and the billions will be invested in defending more populated areas like Lower Manhattan. Disturbing research published in the NYT:

    With More Storms and Rising Seas, Which U.S. Cities Should Be Saved First? (19 June 2019)

    What places in Ireland are going to be similarly threatened?


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    #261
    Dakota Dan
    Registered Users Posts: 3,764 ✭✭✭Dakota Dan


    mad muffin wrote: »
    Ireland… there’s a million cows farting in this field. We need to do our bit.

    Takes one cow out

    Job done…

    Absolutely laughable. As if Ireland lives in its own bubble. Climate change. The environment. Pollution. It’s a global issue that needs a global initiative. And the big polluters need to really start doing the heavy lifting and making the hard choices for out entire planet.

    Every country doing piecemeal will not work.

    Except cows rarely fart.


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    #262
    ednwireland
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    The US is facing astronomical costs - in the hundreds of billions of dollars - if it wants to protect existing coastal communities from flooding. What's more likely, however, is that most of these communities will be evacuated and the billions will be invested in defending more populated areas like Lower Manhattan. Disturbing research published in the NYT:

    With More Storms and Rising Seas, Which U.S. Cities Should Be Saved First? (19 June 2019)

    What places in Ireland are going to be similarly threatened?

    dublin, cork, waterford, limerick, galway belfast, pretty much every major town on the coast in ireland
    http://flood.firetree.net/

    even a 1m rise in sea levels will be pretty devastating (my house is fine upto 60m so just need to buy a boat)

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



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    #263
    Micky 32
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    Apparently according to RTE the ESRI have said carbon taxes and property tax need to be raised to prevent the economy “ overheating”.

    Truth in this or just an RTE/ESRI/government tactic to brainwash the voters further?


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    #264
    is_that_so
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    howiya wrote: »
    Any timeframe in this great plan?
    Officially 2030 on most of it, with 5 year milestones. Lots of parts to coordinate and some of it may work out better than other parts. I hope the retrofitting is one of the successful parts.


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    #265
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    Apparently according to RTE the ESRI have said carbon taxes and property tax need to be raised to prevent the economy “ overheating”.

    Truth in this or just an RTE/ESRI/government tactic to brainwash the voters further?
    We are close to full employment and an economy at full capacity. They are just adding a warning about the likes of tax cuts making more cash available. Noonan tended to ignore the IFAC as they were very very cautious. I'd say the carbon tax is coming anyway but, and the ESRI mentions this, a no-deal Brexit produces a very different Budget.


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    #266
    Jimmy Garlic
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    Officially 2030 on most of it, with 5 year milestones. Lots of parts to coordinate and some of it may work out better than other parts. I hope the retrofitting is one of the successful parts.

    Maybe Dinny O'Bribe will get into the retrofitting business, it will be compulsory then.


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    #267
    is_that_so
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    Jimmy Garlic wrote: »
    Maybe Dinny O'Bribe will get into the retrofitting business, it will be compulsory then.
    It'll more likely be the approved fitters approach registered under the auspices of the SEAI.


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    #268
    BrokenArrows
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    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    How is a cleaner Ireland not a good thing?

    Im saying pointless on a global scale. Ireland might be 100% green but it cannot affect the world climate.


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    #269
    Professor Moriarty
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    BrokenArrows wrote: »
    Im saying pointless on a global scale. Ireland might be 100% green but it cannot affect the world climate.

    So what's the solution?


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    #270
    SirGerryAdams
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    I wish people just realised that humans and consumption means climate change is inevitable.

    You can't expect us to consume the same amount of resources yet not impact the planet.

    All this talk about sustainability is fluff! What was it they said, we need to act to keep the temperature increase below 2 degree a year or something? It's not like the freezing point of ice gets higher every year so how is a temperature increase of any kind not killing the planet??


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    #271
    howiya
    Registered Users Posts: 3,244 ✭✭✭howiya


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Officially 2030 on most of it, with 5 year milestones. Lots of parts to coordinate and some of it may work out better than other parts. I hope the retrofitting is one of the successful parts.

    I hope it’s successful too but reality is that people who rent will begin paying higher energy prices, carbon tax etc long before there is any action taken to improve the dwellings they are renting. It’s just a tax grab.


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