Anti-vaxxers

mfceiling wrote: »

Romanian lad in work to me...

"Did you get the vaccine?"

"Yep"

Him laughing "man you're crazy. You know they have your DNA now. They took your DNA from the needle"

"I watched them throw it in those yellow sealed bins"

"No...when you leave, they take it back out and they get your DNA. That's how they caught Bin Laden. They did a mass vaccination for polio then got a DNA match for his kids then followed them home to his house"

"Surely they'd have checked the register for the same surname"

*Silence*


"Ah you're in big trouble now they have your DNA".


I watched the girl who vaccinated me do another 3 or 4 people after me. It was an open cubicle and I sat close to it for 15 minutes after getting my jab. At no stage did she take any needles from the bin.

there is a little bit of truth in what he says. In relation to how they found Bin Laden. Or rather how they confirmed they had the right place. The CIA arranged a fake vaccination program to get DNA samples from the children and used those to confirm they were his children.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

there is a little bit of truth in what he says. In relation to how they found Bin Laden. Or rather how they confirmed they had the right place. The CIA arranged a fake vaccination program to get DNA samples from the children and used those to confirm they were his children.

It set polio vaccination back in Pakistan and beyond. The anti-vaxxers and nonsense-merchants had a field day with that.

Wibbs wrote: »

Actually they didn't and it wasn't, or at least wasn't considered so when I was a kid in the 70's. It was an expected, normalised part of childhood. You got measles and mumps and chicken pox and various snotty nosed illnesses. Now when I read stats like 1 in 4 are hospitalised with measles I certainly wonder. All of my friends and classmates caught it, had a week off school and that was it. None required hospital. Nobody died. I remember chicken pox being much more uncomfortable. Well I can actually remember having chicken pox. I can barely recall my bout of measles at all, beyond my dad buying me a load of comics to tide me over. As I said, unless the measles virus has become far more nasty and what me and my peers went through was a weaker strain(which is entirely possible) if I hadn't read of the dangers of it I would have had no particular worry hearing someone caught it.

Wibbs, I know you are not anti-vax, but I can assure measles does kill and always has killed. It is not a new varient either, it killed my 8 year old cousin in County Meath in the 1970s.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

There is an oral version but it only used in places with less developed infrastructure. in the western world it is an injection, usually administered along with other childhood vaccinations.

Ah, ok. I was given the drops in the UK in the early 90s when I was 21. I remember it because it gave me a badly upset stomach.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

we stopped using it in ireland 20 years ago. I always thought they gave it on a sugar lump.

The timing is about right, so. If I'm remembering it correctly, it was in a little plastic ampule and they broke the seal and squeezed it out onto the back of my tongue. I suppose the fact that I was an adult meant the sugar cube wasn't necessary!

To save me sifting through 5000+ pages of posts, can somebody explain to me (in a nutshell) what Anti-Vaxers believe? Why exactly are they against the Covid-19 vaccine, and is it only the Covid-19 type vaccines that they oppose, or all vaccines?

Thanks in advance.

That's a big old nutshell, when I get time I'll sift through all the info ...

Hamsterchops wrote: »

To save me sifting through 5000+ pages of posts, can somebody explain to me (in a nutshell) what Anti-Vaxers believe? Why exactly are they against the Covid-19 vaccine, and is it only the Covid-19 type vaccines that they oppose, or all vaccines?

Thanks in advance.

There are a few types;

A lot of anti-vaxxers are anti-everything. Fluoride in water, 5G phones, E-numbers in food, chemtrails. It is a mild form of mental illness, there is no other way to describe it, these people are just not well. Unfortunately, trying to convince them otherwise just hardens their resolve that it's all a conspiracy and they have to resist.

Unfortunately, there is also a growing number of people fanning the flames of this for financial gain. "Go to my website, read about the dangers of wind turbines, click on the link to buy my special blend of anti-oxidants and micronutrients to ensure you're protected". They're preying on the weakness of the first group and they're the lowest of the low because they know exactly what they're doing. Absolutely contemptible.

Finally, there's the much larger group of people who are otherwise sensible but hear so much "information" from the first two groups that casts doubt on vaccines that it feeds a vague uneasiness in them. Sort of like your friend who won't eat gluten despite never having had any symptoms of coeliac disease, they just have a vague idea that gluten is bad. This is the most dangerous because the first two groups are very small in number but if enough fall into the third group and decline immunization, then herd immunity becomes harder and harder to achieve.

Hamsterchops wrote: »

To save me sifting through 5000+ pages of posts, can somebody explain to me (in a nutshell) what Anti-Vaxers believe? Why exactly are they against the Covid-19 vaccine, and is it only the Covid-19 type vaccines that they oppose, or all vaccines?

Thanks in advance.

They're basically hippies/new age travellers with too much time on their hands

They're the same type who are anti-5g technology, shell to sea, tree huggers - they look upon anything official sanctioned by the government with suspicion - their thinking is that big brother i.e. any ruling government is trying to control and manipulate the population minds through these vaccine programs and that our DNA will be tampered with and other made up bolloxology, there's no talking to them they've totally convinced themselves of it in their own little worlds.

Hamsterchops wrote: »

To save me sifting through 5000+ pages of posts, can somebody explain to me (in a nutshell) what Anti-Vaxers believe? Why exactly are they against the Covid-19 vaccine, and is it only the Covid-19 type vaccines that they oppose, or all vaccines?

Thanks in advance.

For Covid vaccines: they were rushed, under-tested, they're experimental.

The clinical trials are ongoing and won't end for years; they haven't got full approval—only emergency use/conditional marketing authorisation.

Despite potential long-term harms being unknown they are being pushed on all age groups, even children in some countries. Billions of people will essentially become guinea pigs.

While the risk/benefit ratio may be good for vulnerable groups it's not so for non-vulnerable groups. For example, for a healthy young person the risk of serious consequences from Covid is close to zero, so the benefit of a vaccine would be close to zero and the harms could be considerable.

I'm not anti- Vax in general, or anti 5g etc etc but I personally won't be taking any of the covid -19 vaccinations. And I'll tell you afew of the reasons why.
To the poster former, former. You mentioned herd immunity. This term is a bit nonsensical imo. The Vax shots ,as we've been told do not confer immunity they only mitigate the severity of covid symptoms, yet we all need to take one to achieve "herd immunity".???
From what I've read from the C.D.C's own figures, covid has a 99.76% survival rate and for my age group it has to be alot less again. Last year it was reported that it would kill 3.4 ish% of people, that's proved not the case.
The vaccines where developed quickly and given emergency legislation to be used. They say that they've been vigorously tested etc but by their very nature they've no long term safety data on them yet, although afaik they're in phase 3 trials which wont be finished till the end of the year sometime. There's a growing number of people experiencing adverse reactions to these jabs, I read Sweden has reported 30,000 and VAERS has reported alot more. I have some other reasons but I'll finish with this one, I've already had covid19, I wasn't too well for a week and isolated myself but tbh I've had worse colds over the years. Imo my body fought it off and now has natural immunity.
Like I said I'm not anti- Vax but I see no reason to allow someone jab me in the arm with one of the shots.
For others, especially those that are elderly , immune compromised etc etc I can completely understand why they're choosing to receive one but for me Thank you, but No!!

I started my post like that because if u look up the page posters are saying "they're tree huggers, anti 5g etc etc". Simple enough reason I would of thought

volono wrote: »

I started my post like that because if u look up the page posters are saying "they're tree huggers, anti 5g etc etc". Simple enough reason I would of thought

You missed ancapailldorcha's point.

Let me dumb this down for you.

You're spouting widely debunked anti-vaxx sh1te. Saying you're not is belied by the screed you posted. Walks like a duck, talks like a duck: you're an anti-vaxxer.