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Thursday/Friday: Lightning Storms, Flash Flooding Event Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,900 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    I'm as confused as anybody.

    Lightning for Dublin around 02-04h possibly? Scattered storms in the southeast overnight.

    Other cells that might be rather dormant moving into the midlands late afternoon erupting over west Ulster evening and overnight. I think those two clusters will be most significant, can't rule out activity further west.

    Plenty of lightning at present time in northern Spain and some entrainment towards s.w. England past Brittany this morning. With the heat building over Britain potential looks reasonable, GFS rainfall accumulations support the overnight development idea.

    The hi res models are no use here now. It's all to play for from this evening, away from west Munster and west Connaught all areas are at risk of decent storm potential.

    Always wary of the surprise with these setups - because there is always something. What would not surprise me at all is serious lightning potential across the eastern and northern parts of the country. Elsewhere it's more touch and go.


  • Registered Users Posts: 415 ✭✭SlowMotion321


    As usual it's expect the least and hope for the best


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,565 ✭✭✭Pangea





    Most places can expect to see lightning either over head or in the distance but perhaps midlands and northwest might go a little beyond the storms elsewhere in terms of intensity.

    Sorry, but does that mean NW and Midlands will get more intense storms or least intense?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,900 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Bank! :p

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    All models in the same vain but like I say it's only narrowly indicative at this stage. All about obs watching from now on :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,339 ✭✭✭The One Doctor


    As usual it's expect the least and hope for the best

    That's my weather philosophy too. Oh well, a few rumbles would be nice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,900 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Pangea wrote: »
    Sorry, but does that mean NW and Midlands are most at risk , or least at risk?

    Sligo may be a bit far west but, again, just keep up to date with the observations. It's not a forecast anymore. Storms could pop up randomly in a lot of places away from west Connaught and Munster coasts later today.


    EDIT: Sligo is not too far west. What am I thinking! :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 700 ✭✭✭bazlers


    Never quoted you KDF. Wouldnt doubt you for a second��


  • Registered Users Posts: 471 ✭✭KingdomRushed


    Pangea wrote: »
    Sorry, but does that mean NW and Midlands will get more intense storms or least intense?

    I would say if there is much action they will get the best of it. Roscommon Leitrim Donegal etc


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,900 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    bazlers wrote: »
    Never quoted you KDF. Wouldnt doubt you for a second��

    My mistake! :)


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,068 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    Looking through the models this morning and bearing in mind the trends of the last few runs I am thinking storms breaking out in the SE late afternoon / early evening ( maybe a bit of S also), migrating N to cover the E, Midlands, mid W, N and NW. The big population areas of the E has a fairly high chance of thunderstorms by late evening. Thinking that along or off the SE and E coasts could see plenty of storms. The Northern counties could see storms well into the early hours and could peak here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,219 ✭✭✭pad199207


    The Kermit de Frog convincing thread ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,565 ✭✭✭Pangea


    Sligo may be a bit far west but, again, just keep up to date with the observations. It's not a forecast anymore. Storms could pop up randomly in a lot of places away from west Connaught and Munster coasts later today.


    EDIT: Sligo is not too far west. What am I thinking! :D

    Thanks Kermit
    I'm in Donegal by the way :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 9 owen3371


    Starting already on the north coast, thunderstorm between Coleraine and Islay I observed a few c-gs and loud rumbles ,the sky is full of altocumulus I've never seen anything like it in 30 years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭squarecircles


    Looking through the models this morning and bearing in mind the trends of the last few runs I am thinking storms breaking out in the SE late afternoon / early evening ( maybe a bit of S also), migrating N to cover the E, Midlands, mid W, N and NW. The big population areas of the E has a fairly high chance of thunderstorms by late evening. Thinking that along or off the SE and E coasts could see plenty of storms. The Northern counties could see storms well into the early hours and could peak here.

    No storms for Mayo so,


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 12,068 Mod ✭✭✭✭Meteorite58


    No storms for Mayo so,

    Hard to know but I think highest chance is the area above. Don't expect too much in the SW.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,900 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    pad199207 wrote: »
    The Kermit de Frog convincing thread ;)

    They only need convincing until it happens :cool:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 268 ✭✭Spencer Brown


    Expecting nothing in East Cork anyway


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,219 ✭✭✭pad199207


    They only need convincing until it happens :cool:

    I know I know. Apologies for my grouchy behaviour. Keep the faith! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    Looking at the situation right now, MUCAPE for 7 am was forecast to be a few hundred J/kg from Antrim (where there were a few strikes a while ago) down to Leinster (clear skies). So this level of CAPE is not producing anything.

    For later on it does intensify somewhat over land but the main area of interest is over Wales and the Irish Sea this evening. Soundings show most unstable layer around 800 hPa. So some sporadic storms over land during the day but I would expect the best activity to be up along the Irish Sea tonight.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,219 ✭✭✭pad199207


    But will there be purple level thunderstorms?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    19c in Arklow ,NE breeze and it's not 750am yet


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭Gaoth Laidir


    owen3371 wrote: »
    Starting already on the north coast, thunderstorm between Coleraine and Islay I observed a few c-gs and loud rumbles ,the sky is full of altocumulus I've never seen anything like it in 30 years.

    OWEN!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    OWEN!!!

    If it is,he's not 30,more like late teens...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,219 ✭✭✭pad199207


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    UPDATED

    NI/ROI

    few elevated showers/thunderstorms may be possible over Ulster during Thursday morning, clearing northwards. Elsewhere, a northward-moving shortwave may result in some elevated convection developing in the vicinity of the Isles of Scilly / Celtic Sea on Thursday morning, which may bring both an increase in mid-level cloud and perhaps a few elevated showers/thunderstorms into SE Ireland by early afternoon, continuing to lift north with time. Even if this elevated convection is not deep enough to produce lightning, the additional cloud cover spilling north may have some negative impact on surface heating. Assuming the cloud is not too extensive and/or fairly broken, diurnal heating could yield 500-1,000 J/kg CAPE by the afternoon and evening hours. Profiles look capped to surface-based convection initially, but mid-level cooling and lift associated with the aforementioned shortwave could lead to scattered thunderstorms erupting during the evening hours (if not earlier), especially in the vicinity of the Central Plain.

    Similar to western Scotland (albeit profiles slightly more V-B-V), for a few hours the environment would be favourable for cell organisation and possibly supercells capable of producing large hail 3-4cm in diameter, frequent lightning and strong outflow gusts. A SVR has been issued primarily for the risk of locally damaging hail and flash flooding. This will be dependent on sufficient surface heating, otherwise surface-based convection may struggle to initiate. Either way, stronger forcing aloft will arrive towards mid-evening, and so thunderstorms are likely to become more numerous and increasingly elevated, especially across central/northern Ireland and eventually drifting northwards offshore over the Atlantic and towards the Hebrides. With several thunderstorms potentially training over similar areas, this will bring the risk of local flooding. Most storms will generally drift to the N or NNW, but if mid-level rotation becomes strong enough some may deviate more to the NE.


  • Registered Users Posts: 700 ✭✭✭bazlers


    Just going back through all the technical posts and meteorite was on to this quiet early. Fair play.
    Although it still has to happen. Naill biting stuff.
    Is it the extra heat from the land that may cause the thunder storms to increase as it pushes north?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭stevek93


    Beautiful morning here in north Greater Dublin, will look forward to later this evening.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,339 ✭✭✭The One Doctor


    pad199207 wrote: »
    But will there be purple level thunderstorms?

    There might even be ultraviolet level.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Rookie question -

    What sort of clouds should I be looking out for? Don’t want to be searching skies to my south when the action is building in the north.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,900 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    bazlers wrote: »
    Just going back through all the technical posts and meteorite was on to this quiet early. Fair play.
    Although it still has to happen. Naill biting stuff.
    Is it the extra heat from the land that may cause the thunder storms to increase as it pushes north?

    Yes, the hotter it gets today the more your chance increases of a storm. Even after dark this makes a massive difference. Diurnal heating leads to inland convection and this carries through.

    If it clouds up not so much, so we need to avoid that if possible.:) Looks like we mostly will.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭Ninthlife


    In SW Kildare, we didnt get any of the rain or thunder from the last event.

    What are the chances for this evening. Looking at the charts I may as well be looking into a ditch


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  • Registered Users Posts: 700 ✭✭✭bazlers


    Cheers for quick reply KDF


  • Registered Users Posts: 9 owen3371


    OWEN!!!

    Thankfully it's has died down now,I need to do a bit of gliding yet and paint the living room,so 8pm will be good enough for me


  • Registered Users Posts: 700 ✭✭✭bazlers


    Charts are a general consensus at this stage. What i believe is just watch your radar closer to the time but you are in a favourable location but also could be unlucky. Hit and miss. The experts might have a different take.


  • Registered Users Posts: 41 quizzical


    I says wrote: »
    Will I leave the dog in or out so


    Oh course you bring the dog into the house:eek:.... unless you think its fair to leave him out in a thunderstorm!!... Remember dogs hear thunderstorms 4 times louder than we do, thats why they get so scared and run away....


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,996 ✭✭✭Slashermcguirk


    Beautiful morning in Dublin 5. Going to be a cracker


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    Gone over 20c in Arklow at 818am


  • Registered Users Posts: 471 ✭✭KingdomRushed


    The Met Eireann 7 day rainfall map has been consistently downgrading precipitation over the last 24 hours. It is now showing none practically for the east coast. This is based upon the Harmonie I believe. Just to temper expectations with the official forecast not as gung ho currently. There does seem to be a view here that something spectacular is in the offing but it's not quite adding up for me.


  • Registered Users Posts: 25 Gamma Flash


    Really clouding over here, south kilkenny, put a lid on heating.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,536 ✭✭✭typhoony


    Not sure if it was 85 or 86 but I can still remember the buildup of clouds coming up from the south but what was so impressive was how high in the sky the clouds went. It created a vastness that I'vd seen since,


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,657 ✭✭✭Doctor Jimbob


    The Met Eireann 7 day rainfall map has been consistently downgrading precipitation over the last 24 hours. It is now showing none practically for the east coast. This is based upon the Harmonie I believe. Just to temper expectations with the official forecast not as gung ho currently. There does seem to be a view here that something spectacular is in the offing but it's not quite adding up for me.

    The weather forum overhyping something? Surely not!

    Joking aside I'd like to see some storms break out but the weather's lovely here at the moment. If it stays like this I'll be happy enough too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭KildareP


    The Met Eireann 7 day rainfall map has been consistently downgrading precipitation over the last 24 hours. It is now showing none practically for the east coast. This is based upon the Harmonie I believe. Just to temper expectations with the official forecast not as gung ho currently. There does seem to be a view here that something spectacular is in the offing but it's not quite adding up for me.

    Met Eireann's forecasts were completely off the mark last time around too. I believe it's due to the sporadic nature of these types of events, you just can't tell when or where they'll happen.

    For most of the last thunderstorm event the majority of the rain which ultimately materialised never showed up on the forecast for those areas at any stage (plus there were other areas, like my own, that showed all set to receive 20mm+ of rain in the space of a few hours yet there wasn't so much as a drop of rain for a very wide radius).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭Comhrá


    Rookie question -

    What sort of clouds should I be looking out for? Don’t want to be searching skies to my south when the action is building in the north.

    This sort of thing. Can't miss them really:

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,007 ✭✭✭greenfield21


    I hope we are all looking out at the Irish sea at what could of been. Prefer a nice calm night.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 420 ✭✭Little snowy old me


    What's with the toning down of Met Eireann's forecast? Please don't tell me this is not going to happen. I have been looking forward to it since yesterday. I don't need more disappointment.


  • Registered Users Posts: 471 ✭✭KingdomRushed


    What's with the toning down of Met Eireann's forecast? Please don't tell me this is not going to happen. I have been looking forward to it since yesterday. I don't need more disappointment.

    The toning down is probably based on their model assessments which maybe show less widespread storms than previously forecast. The toning down of language is reflected in their rainfall maps.


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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,150 Mod ✭✭✭✭DOCARCH


    What's with the toning down of Met Eireann's forecast? Please don't tell me this is not going to happen. I have been looking forward to it since yesterday. I don't need more disappointment.

    Expect nothing and then you will not be disappointed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 471 ✭✭KingdomRushed


    I've attached a screen grab of peak activity as shown on met website. No longer shows any precipitation for east coast for next 24 hours. Northwest is in firing line for a storm according to this, but not until after midnight. No activity showing for eastern Ireland anymore. Let's see if it is right. Yesterday morning it showed widespread very heavy precipitation over large parts of ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,101 ✭✭✭squarecircles


    the damp squids

    cant wait to piss all of this thread later,regardless of what materialises,like people did with the storms in the west last week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,921 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    Am I right in saying this is a non event for the SW.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,855 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    DOCARCH wrote: »
    Expect nothing and then you will not be disappointed.




    We don't need the weather forum so:eek::D


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