Your New WHS Index

Hoboo · 02-11-2020 11:06am

what2do wrote: »

My Congu is/was 19, my HI is 18 and my playing handicap on my course is now going to be 21... which I what I came down from this year so feels like I am back where I began the year!!!

With .8 cuts you'll be back down in no time, matter of rounds. You're being constantly adjusted using your best last 8, two good rounds could see a 3 or 4 shot cut. It will find it's level pretty quickly.

That's the way I understand it, could be completely wrong.

Seve OB · 02-11-2020 11:16am

Hoboo wrote: »

With .8 cuts you'll be back down in no time, matter of rounds. You're being constantly adjusted using your best last 8, two good rounds could see a 3 or 4 shot cut. It will find it's level pretty quickly.

That's the way I understand it, could be completely wrong.

There are no more cuts

Golfgraffix · 02-11-2020 11:22am

Dublin Spur wrote: »

old hcap - 3.5
hcap index - 2.5

Still don't have a clue, I'm sure it will all make sense when we're back playing

So, when you play off whites, you look at the chart that is in the ClubNet app. There is a range for 2.2 to 3.0. You fall into that. That tells you that your Course Handicap is 3. If you are playing singles you multiply that by .95 which is still 3.

But when you sign in all this will be done for you. The only thing you need to check is that your Handicap Index on the club sign in matches your Golf ireland Record.

Just make surfe you are playing with me !!!! (we're in the same club)

BigChap1759 · 02-11-2020 11:25am

Seve OB wrote: »

There are no more cuts

Well I guess if your average reduced you could still call it a cut

Ceepo · 02-11-2020 11:27am

Pretty new to golf so don't judge me to harshly

Anyway i was given 18 as a starting handicap in 2019, (which didn't reflect my poor ability) but anyway, change clubs this year to a more challenging course and went out to 19. 8..

So I log in to golf Ireland yesterday to see my new HI and see that i have been giving 23.. On my course that would give me a playing handicap of 24. But i noticed that the were only some of the scores used for WHS, as indictated by a dot beside them.

So i log on again this morning to see what scores were included and low and behold I now have a HI of 21,,.
My playing buddy was given 15.5 yesterday and when he checked today it was 16.5..

I was under the impression that it was an 8/20 best rounds or prorata under 20 rounds.
Any ideas as to why they have highlighted " used in WHS handicap index calculation"
For context I have 13 rounds in the system only 3 are under 100 with a best of 94.
3 qualifying round in October were included in the 13, one has a dot beside it (98) but also shot my worst ever round the following week..

What if anything am i missing?

Hoboo · 02-11-2020 11:45am

Seve OB wrote: »

There are no more cuts

Was told that but on reflection and rechecking that doesn't make sense. It could be any figure depending on your average over the best 8.

Just going to double check with the person who told me that, but you're right, that doesn't make sense.

prawnsambo · 02-11-2020 11:51am

Ceepo wrote: »

Pretty new to golf so don't judge me to harshly

Anyway i was given 18 as a starting handicap in 2019, (which didn't reflect my poor ability) but anyway, change clubs this year to a more challenging course and went out to 19. 8..

So I log in to golf Ireland yesterday to see my new HI and see that i have been giving 23.. On my course that would give me a playing handicap of 24. But i noticed that the were only some of the scores used for WHS, as indictated by a dot beside them.

So i log on again this morning to see what scores were included and low and behold I now have a HI of 21,,.
My playing buddy was given 15.5 yesterday and when he checked today it was 16.5..

I was under the impression that it was an 8/20 best rounds or prorata under 20 rounds.
Any ideas as to why they have highlighted " used in WHS handicap index calculation"
For context I have 13 rounds in the system only 3 are under 100 with a best of 94.
3 qualifying round in October were included in the 13, one has a dot beside it (98) but also shot my worst ever round the following week..

What if anything am i missing?

It's not pro rata. On 13 rounds, it's average of your best four. On 14 it's the same. On 15 it's average of best five.

doublecross · 02-11-2020 11:52am

Old handicap = 5.2
WHS handicap index = 3.1

The first comp will be interesting. Expecting some mad scores

TheFarneyman · 02-11-2020 12:03pm

Was 6.5 on the 4th of August 2019, finished the year October on 8.4 in Congu
New WHS handicap is 11.2
About right with the current form i was in. checked my medal handicap which will be 13, fairly big jump from 8 to 13 imo, but a few good rounds will soon sort it out im sure (have had the yips the past year so was on the slide anyway, sorted now tho) , be quietly confident going into a medal with a handicap of 13 if I can go back to the form of early 2019

Frisbee · 02-11-2020 12:10pm

CONGU Handicap 20.8
HI 16.7
Playing Handicap on my course would be 19

Surprised by that, played a good bit of golf (for me) this year, prob 15/16 qualifying rounds. In that only shot better than 30 points three times and only beat 36 once so wasn't expecting such a cut.

Seve OB · 02-11-2020 12:27pm

Was 10.4 after a pretty horrendous run.
HI should be 11.6 when last of scores get sorted.
Probably makes sense after my recent form

The only bollocking thing is now it will be April before we get to throw in our next counting scores.

Of course there might be the odd chance to play an links open or something but I guess that’s going to be aN even rarer opportunity now

Ceepo · 02-11-2020 12:31pm

prawnsambo wrote: »

It's not pro rata. On 13 rounds, it's average of your best four. On 14 it's the same. On 15 it's average of best five.

Gotcha. Thanks.
Any idea why it change from yesterday to today

Seve OB · 02-11-2020 12:40pm

Ceepo wrote: »

Gotcha. Thanks.
Any idea why it change from yesterday to today

Rounds added and updated overnight

eoghan104 · 02-11-2020 12:41pm

My October rounds were added so my final HI is 4.2. My last CONGU hcap was 5.4.

I just learned today that the course rating does not affect your playing handicap on the day? This makes a huge difference to what I am playing off in certain courses. Only using the slope seems to be benefit higher handicaps but I suppose that is down to a percentage change of the HI?

Looks like it will be a nice time for the higher lads!

Anyone know how the interclub works? It will be a big change for the ones that have a qualifying handicap where there can be huge differences depending on the course.

Hoboo · 02-11-2020 12:47pm

Seve OB wrote: »

There are no more cuts

Apologies, I took it up wrong.

Was talking about the HI spread relative to CH. .8 = 1.

Clear as mud.

prawnsambo · 02-11-2020 12:49pm

eoghan104 wrote: »

My October rounds were added so my final HI is 4.2. My last CONGU hcap was 5.4.

I just learned today that the course rating does not affect your playing handicap on the day? This makes a huge difference to what I am playing off in certain courses. Only using the slope seems to be benefit higher handicaps but I suppose that is down to a percentage change of the HI?

Looks like it will be a nice time for the higher lads!

Anyone know how the interclub works? It will be a big change for the ones that have a qualifying handicap where there can be huge differences depending on the course.

The 95% playing handicap adjustment for stroke play and stableford will affect the higher handicappers more.

Golfgraffix · 02-11-2020 1:17pm

Seve OB wrote: »

Of course there might be the odd chance to play an links open or something but I guess that’s going to be aN even rarer opportunity now

You will definitely have one, given who you are playing against it will only be one ðŸ˜‚

eoghan104 · 02-11-2020 1:40pm

prawnsambo wrote: »

The 95% playing handicap adjustment for stroke play and stableford will affect the higher handicappers more.

Ok so is that a blanket rule that once the playing handicap is decided you then reduce by 5% or before the handicap is decided you take 5% off the HI?

I just haven't seen the 95% included in any calculators, or is it automatic?

prawnsambo · 02-11-2020 1:44pm

eoghan104 wrote: »

Ok so is that a blanket rule that once the playing handicap is decided you then reduce by 5% or before the handicap is decided you take 5% off the HI?

I just haven't seen the 95% included in any calculators, or is it automatic?

It's after you calculate your course handicap. It's an adjustment that depends on the format of play. Like fourball is at 85%. Just to be clear on terminology, your course handicap is calculated from your handicap index using the HI=SR/113 calculation and expressed as an integer. Your playing handicap is calculated from your course handicap and depends on the competition format. For stableford and strokes, it's 95%.

Dublin Spur · 02-11-2020 1:54pm

Golfgraffix wrote: »

So, when you play off whites, you look at the chart that is in the ClubNet app. There is a range for 2.2 to 3.0. You fall into that. That tells you that your Course Handicap is 3. If you are playing singles you multiply that by .95 which is still 3.

But when you sign in all this will be done for you. The only thing you need to check is that your Handicap Index on the club sign in matches your Golf ireland Record.

Just make surfe you are playing with me !!!! (we're in the same club)

I sure will

Seve OB · 02-11-2020 2:11pm

eoghan104 wrote: »

Ok so is that a blanket rule that once the playing handicap is decided you then reduce by 5% or before the handicap is decided you take 5% off the HI?

I just haven't seen the 95% included in any calculators, or is it automatic?

It’s only for competition

Seve OB · 02-11-2020 2:12pm

Golfgraffix wrote: »

You will definitely have one, given who you are playing against it will only be one ��

Yes because once I beat him with all the shots I’ll be getting........well he probably won’t invite me back

what2do · 02-11-2020 2:14pm

BigChap1759 wrote: »

Well I guess if your average reduced you could still call it a cut

I'll be oldschool calling it a cut!!!!

macslash · 02-11-2020 2:27pm

I'm sure it's been posted before but could someone please explain the breakdown of rounds used if you do not have 20 played. I have 16 recorded at the moment and it's the best 5.

prawnsambo · 02-11-2020 2:42pm

macslash wrote: »

I'm sure it's been posted before but could someone please explain the breakdown of rounds used if you do not have 20 played. I have 16 recorded at the moment and it's the best 5.

It'll be best 6 for rounds 17 and 18, best 7 for 19 and best 8 for 20.

macslash · 02-11-2020 2:53pm

prawnsambo wrote: »

It'll be best 6 for rounds 17 and 18, best 7 for 19 and best 8 for 20.

Thanks a million. Am I right in saying that bar casual rounds, winter 9 holes etc won't affect the handicap? Or am I totally wrong

eoghan104 · 02-11-2020 3:04pm

prawnsambo wrote: »

It's after you calculate your course handicap. It's an adjustment that depends on the format of play. Like fourball is at 85%. Just to be clear on terminology, your course handicap is calculated from your handicap index using the HI=SR/113 calculation and expressed as an integer. Your playing handicap is calculated from your course handicap and depends on the competition format. For stableford and strokes, it's 95%.

OK so then anyone that has a playing handicap of 10 or less is never affected by the 95% calculation?

prawnsambo · 02-11-2020 3:09pm

macslash wrote: »

Thanks a million. Am I right in saying that bar casual rounds, winter 9 holes etc won't affect the handicap? Or am I totally wrong

It really depends on the rules in place for winter golf. Nine hole scores are acceptable and courses are now rated for both front and back nines. But you can still have qualifying competitions in the winter if there's placing on fairways and lift clean and REPLACE in the rough.

eoghan104 wrote: »

OK so then anyone that has a playing handicap of 10 or less is never affected by the 95% calculation?

That's about it, yeah.

Russman · 02-11-2020 3:26pm

Is course handicap definitely rounded to just an integer value ?

I'm looking at the top part of page 65 on this link (before Rule 6.2 starts) which would suggest not, I think....
https://www.congu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/CONGU-Rules-of-Handicapping1.pdf

paulos53 · 02-11-2020 3:32pm

eoghan104 wrote: »

OK so then anyone that has a playing handicap of 10 or less is never affected by the 95% calculation?

Not unless you are good enough to play off +11

Basically 10 or under has full shots
11 to 30 handicappers lose 1 shot
31 to 50 lose 2 shots

Hoboo · 02-11-2020 3:33pm

eoghan104 wrote: »

OK so then anyone that has a playing handicap of 10 or less is never affected by the 95% calculation?

Correct.

GreeBo · 02-11-2020 3:36pm

Hmm, in just realised that I'm basically out of interclub golf now at 2.8

Seve OB · 02-11-2020 3:36pm

Russman wrote: »

Is course handicap definitely rounded to just an integer value ?

I'm looking at the top part of page 65 on this link (before Rule 6.2 starts) which would suggest not, I think....
https://www.congu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/CONGU-Rules-of-Handicapping1.pdf

Yes I believe so

Russman · 02-11-2020 3:43pm

Seve OB wrote: »

Yes I believe so

But to me the line "Otherwise, the full calculated value is retained and rounding occurs only after the Playing Handicap calculation." would say its not rounded to an integer ?
Not arguing with you, just curious as to which is the correct interpretation.

jarrieta · 02-11-2020 3:44pm

I am the same after adjustments, but I can see none of my 3 latest results are in there, that feels wrong, does anyone have the same issue? 10th to 21st October results missing, but they are in golfnet

SEORG · 02-11-2020 3:48pm

GreeBo wrote: »

Hmm, in just realised that I'm basically out of interclub golf now at 2.8

I would think with the WHS changes Golf Ireland will be revisiting the qualifying criteria for cups & shields.

GreeBo · 02-11-2020 3:50pm

SEORG wrote: »

I would think with the WHS changes Golf Ireland will be revisiting the qualifying criteria for cups & shields.

According to their website your 1st Jan handicap counts

prawnsambo · 02-11-2020 3:51pm

Russman wrote: »

But to me the line "Otherwise, the full calculated value is retained and rounding occurs only after the Playing Handicap calculation." would say its not rounded to an integer ?
Not arguing with you, just curious as to which is the correct interpretation.

The tables that were issued only show integers. I posted a sample earlier today. Not sure which thread it's on, but it's tabulated with a range of HIs to an integer course handicap.

SEORG · 02-11-2020 3:53pm

GreeBo wrote: »

According to their website your 1st Jan handicap counts

Yeah, but they haven't confirmed the handicap limits which may change.

prawnsambo · 02-11-2020 3:59pm

SEORG wrote: »

Yeah, but they haven't confirmed the handicap limits which may change.

They will change. They'll wait to see where people end up on the HI scale and that will be the basis of the new ranges. So if before, the limit was (say) 18 for a particular cup or shield, the new limit will probably be the equivalent from an average slope rating.

eoghan104 · 02-11-2020 4:02pm

GreeBo wrote: »

According to their website your 1st Jan handicap counts

I think it will be impossible (at least very unfair) to use the handicap index as the qualifying criteria when there is so much fluctuation between difficulty of courses. I don't have any idea on a solution though.

Let's say that Junior Cup qualifying is in Heritage and Bray golf club. Using HI of 4 as criteria there will be people who would play off 6/7 in Heritage and 3/4 in Bray. That's too much of a gap.

prawnsambo · 02-11-2020 4:06pm

eoghan104 wrote: »

I think it will be impossible (at least very unfair) to use the handicap index as the qualifying criteria when there is so much fluctuation between difficulty of courses. I don't have any idea on a solution though.

Let's say that Junior Cup qualifying is in Heritage and Bray golf club. Using HI of 4 as criteria there will be people who would play off 6/7 in Heritage and 3/4 in Bray. That's too much of a gap.

That's why I think it will be based on an 'average' slope rating. Somewhere around the 125-128 mark.

Seve OB · 02-11-2020 4:16pm

eoghan104 wrote: »

I think it will be impossible (at least very unfair) to use the handicap index as the qualifying criteria when there is so much fluctuation between difficulty of courses. I don't have any idea on a solution though.

Let's say that Junior Cup qualifying is in Heritage and Bray golf club. Using HI of 4 as criteria there will be people who would play off 6/7 in Heritage and 3/4 in Bray. That's too much of a gap.

But the whole point of the WHS is to make it fair. I think using the HI for interclub is very fair.
Take your example above, the heritage golfer who plays off 4 is obviously a much better golfer than the bray golfer who plays off 4 as it is a much tougher course. Was it really fair before that the bray lad has to go and play a much tougher course against a better golfer? Or for the heritage lad to visit a course that would be easy for him to play the local who The course would be average for?

Kiith · 02-11-2020 4:26pm

Old handicap was 13.7, and my WHS is 6.8. Don't think that's correct

And it's only showing 2 rounds for the entire year. Both off the blues in Tullamore. And only one of those (my best score of the year) was used in the calculations.

DuckSlice · 02-11-2020 4:29pm

Seve OB wrote: »

But the whole point of the WHS is to make it fair. I think using the HI for interclub is very fair.
Take your example above, the heritage golfer who plays off 4 is obviously a much better golfer than the bray golfer who plays off 4 as it is a much tougher course. Was it really fair before that the bray lad has to go and play a much tougher course against a better golfer? Or for the heritage lad to visit a course that would be easy for him to play the local who The course would be average for?

But wouldn't the Bray golfer have to shoot significantly lower rounds than the Heritage golfer to get to 4? If the system is working correctly then there should be no difference as the calculation are taking course difficulty into account.
That's my understanding of it anyway.

Russman · 02-11-2020 5:06pm

TBH if its not based on handicap index then the whole thing is a waste of everyone's time and effort. Sure what's the point in going to a system that's supposed to give a level playing field if you're not going to use it ?
Surely the ONLY thing it can be based on is the Index, as everything else has a different variable in the mix, no ?

My simplistic understanding was that two guys of the same theoretical ability would both play off the same index. If they're in different clubs, they'll have different course handicaps, depending on the course ratings but if they play the same course they'll play off the same course handicap.

blue note · 02-11-2020 6:02pm

I've gone from 14.1 to 17.

Playing handicap will be 15 from the whites and 16 from the blues in Corballis. If I play in an open at home in Tramore I'll be 20 from the whites and 21 from the blues.

To be honest with the way I've played the last while in Corballis, you couldn't have given me a handicap that I could have played to I've been so bad. That said, 20 from the whites in Tramore seems a bit crazy to be frank. I played there once since coming back to golf and played well, but not amazing. With the new handicap I'd have had 42 points.

higster · 02-11-2020 6:57pm

Still not right for me.
Oct scores in but all scores are down as from blue tees where should be white (and for my course that’s a 129 vs 125 slope) and only PCC in for scores from 2018.

Wombatman · 02-11-2020 8:23pm

Well wrong for me too. No away scores showing and all home comps showing off very back tees. Away scores were showing for me yesterday.

Pacly · 02-11-2020 8:32pm

Anyone else not receiving a verification email when signing up? Not in my spam folder either.

Your New WHS Index

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