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Your New WHS Index

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    #122
    Golfgraffix
    Registered Users Posts: 1,815 ✭✭✭Golfgraffix


    macslash wrote: »
    Sorry lads, I don't understand the 95% ye are on about. What's the point of it? Thanks

    to balance out the increase in Course Handicaps of higher handicap players against that of lower handicap players.


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    #123
    bigeasy
    Registered Users Posts: 66 ✭✭bigeasy


    Golfgraffix wrote: »
    Yes, only slope in the calculation

    Which countries use course rating? I think people need to be careful with online handicap calculators.


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    #124
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,351 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    4 Putt wrote: »
    They are on it but I also have 6 unprocessed away scores too on golfnet.. Will they come through as well, as I think 3 if not 4 of them will be in my top 8 scores??
    I think they have to be processed by your club and then updated to GolfNet before they can be added.


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    #125
    macslash
    Registered Users Posts: 1,386 ✭✭✭macslash


    Golfgraffix wrote: »
    to balance out the increase in Course Handicaps of higher handicap players against that of lower handicap players.

    Oh okay I get you. Thanks.

    One other query for ye. Since I started playing in May I've never used the club computer. The only time I've used one was for an open day in a neighbouring club a few weeks back. The computer was out of action due to covid but even still my club is a relatively small 9 hole with a tiny clubhouse. I had been just posting the scorecards through a letterbox system.
    With the inclusion of social golf to be counted for HI, how does that work exactly? How would you upload the scores? And where? Thanks again


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    #126
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,351 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    macslash wrote: »
    Oh okay I get you. Thanks.

    One other query for ye. Since I started playing in May I've never used the club computer. The only time I've used one was for an open day in a neighbouring club a few weeks back. The computer was out of action due to covid but even still my club is a relatively small 9 hole with a tiny clubhouse. I had been just posting the scorecards through a letterbox system.
    With the inclusion of social golf to be counted for HI, how does that work exactly? How would you upload the scores? And where? Thanks again
    Most club software has an app as well, so you can use that for score entry too. But assuming you can't do that, you have to declare the round as a supplementary score before you start - you'll have to ask your club handicap secretary what way he wants that done - and play your round with a marker and from the permanent tee markers for the tees you're using. Not the movable ones.

    Supplementary scores have been acceptable for two years now. It's not new.


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    #127
    DiegoWorst
    Registered Users Posts: 143 ✭✭DiegoWorst


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    You might want to read your post again. You said player B had 35 points :D

    I actually said both players had shot 18 net pars playing from their course handicaps.
    Player B's 35pts was the result of adjusting 36pts off 18, to his playing handicap of 17.

    prawnsambo wrote: »
    And the point was in response to a poster who was discussing what happens if the computer isn't available.

    It was me who asked that question.
    It is also relevant to society events or other outings when there is no computer available.
    prawnsambo wrote: »
    But thanks for the fun game. :)

    I wasn't playing a game, I'm genuinely trying to get to grips with the new system.

    I still think the golfer needs to be equipped with his playing handicap when starting a round of golf, and therefore needs to understand handicap index, course handicap and playing handicap.


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    #128
    Macker1
    Registered Users Posts: 1,871 ✭✭✭Macker1


    Can someone please advise the calculation to be used for playing courses in Ireland.

    Just need to get this confirmed. I found an online calculator but it uses

    WHS Index
    Course Rating
    Slope Rating
    Par of Course

    Confused.com is an understatement


    This could be the next "I don't know what a tracker mortgage is" LOL


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    #129
    Seve OB
    Registered Users Posts: 15,871 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    DiegoWorst wrote: »
    It is also relevant to society events or other outings when there is no computer available.

    there is supposed to be an app from golf ireland for inputting scores. at least thats the way i read it. but they aren't ready with it and won't be till next year sometime


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    #130
    Golfgraffix
    Registered Users Posts: 1,815 ✭✭✭Golfgraffix


    Macker1 wrote: »
    Can someone please advise the calculation to be used for playing courses in Ireland.

    Just need to get this confirmed. I found an online calculator but it uses

    WHS Index
    Course Rating
    Slope Rating
    Par of Course

    Confused.com is an understatement


    This could be the next "I don't know what a tracker mortgage is" LOL

    Use the r&a one and select without minus course par


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    #131
    Seve OB
    Registered Users Posts: 15,871 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    Golfgraffix wrote: »
    Use the r&a one and select without minus course par

    there really should be one on the golf ireland website but i can't find it.


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    #132
    Corkblowin
    Registered Users Posts: 622 ✭✭✭Corkblowin


    DiegoWorst wrote: »
    I actually said both players had shot 18 net pars playing from their course handicaps.
    Player B's 35pts was the result of adjusting 36pts off 18, to his playing handicap of 17.


    I still think the golfer needs to be equipped with his playing handicap when starting a round of golf, and therefore needs to understand handicap index, course handicap and playing handicap.

    I think where you're getting mixed up is saying that he's shot 36 points off 18, but it gets adjusted afterwards, whereas in reality he'll know going out that his handicap for the course being played is 17 for that day. It'll be worked out by the computer when you sign in (or else by a very overworked pro if the computer is still out of action by the time competitions restart!)


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    #133
    ridonkulous
    Registered Users Posts: 527 ✭✭✭ridonkulous


    I hate this new system already 😭😂


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    #134
    billy3sheets
    Registered Users Posts: 1,080 ✭✭✭billy3sheets


    I had a handicap of 17.0 and got a HI of 17.3.

    I used the R&A calculator at https://www.randa.org/WorldHandicapSystem

    On my home course of St Margaret's (par 73), it returns a course handicap of 20 off the blues (134) which regular competitions are played off and 22 for the blacks (136) which are used for the medals and other majors.
    For Clontarf blues (119, Par 69) it returns a course handicap of 18.
    I've played really badly last 2 months but this seems generous.


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    #135
    Seve OB
    Registered Users Posts: 15,871 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    ive seen for years fellas not able to work out what handicap they are playing if it is a 9 hole comp, 14 hole come, four ball, foursomes.......

    this will certainly cause loads of confusion, HI, course handicap and playing handicap,


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    #136
    blindside88
    Registered Users Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭blindside88


    Just got a look at my new handicap index. Down from 19.0 to 16.0. Considering I was off 23.4 at the start of the year, it’ll be a while before I’m challenging for a prize :)


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    #137
    Seve OB
    Registered Users Posts: 15,871 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    blindside88 wrote: »
    Just got a look at my new handicap index. Down from 19.0 to 16.0. Considering I was off 23.4 at the start of the year, it’ll be a while before I’m challenging for a prize :)

    yea but what is your playing handicap on your home course?
    you clearly had a few decent scores to get down so you are surly well able to challenge


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    #138
    blindside88
    Registered Users Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭blindside88


    Seve OB wrote: »
    yea but what is your playing handicap on your home course?
    you clearly had a few decent scores to get down so you are surly well able to challenge

    Where do I see that? I’m on the mobile site and just see 16.0. I had a few decent scores to be fair


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    #139
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,351 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    blindside88 wrote: »
    Where do I see that? I’m on the mobile site and just see 16.0. I had a few decent scores to be fair
    You won't see enough on the mobile site, the columns are truncated. But your actual course handicap is calculated from your new handicap index and the slope rating of the course and tees you're playing from. The calculation is HI * SR/113. So if the slope rating for your normal tees is 127, the calculation would be 16 * 127/113 = 18 course handicap.


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    #140
    blindside88
    Registered Users Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭blindside88


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    You won't see enough on the mobile site, the columns are truncated. But your actual course handicap is calculated from your new handicap index and the slope rating of the course and tees you're playing from. The calculation is HI * SR/113. So if the slope rating for your normal tees is 127, the calculation would be 16 * 127/113 = 18 course handicap.

    Thanks for that. I’ve looked up the courses slope rating and my playing handicap for my home course is 17.5 so not as massive a cut as I thought thank god


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    #141
    4 Putt
    Registered Users Posts: 11 ✭4 Putt


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    I think they have to be processed by your club and then updated to GolfNet before they can be added.

    My 2020 home club scores are uploaded now onto the WHS but still no away scores,, they are still coming up as unprocessed away scores..


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    #142
    padmcv
    Registered Users Posts: 87 ✭✭padmcv


    CONGU 15 (14.5)

    HI 13.1
    Comp Tees
    Course HC 14.6
    Playing HC 14


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    #143
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,351 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    padmcv wrote: »
    CONGU 15 (14.5)

    HI 13.1
    Comp Tees
    Course HC 14.6
    Playing HC 14
    Your course handicap is an integer. So that would be 15 and your playing handicap would be also an integer of that - 14. Doesn't change anything, but would if your course handicap dropped to 14.4. In which case your playing handicap would be 13.


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    #144
    Dublin Spur
    Registered Users Posts: 3,317 ✭✭✭Dublin Spur


    old hcap - 3.5
    hcap index - 2.5

    Still don't have a clue, I'm sure it will all make sense when we're back playing :)


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    #145
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,351 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    Dublin Spur wrote: »
    old hcap - 3.5
    hcap index - 2.5

    Still don't have a clue, I'm sure it will all make sense when we're back playing :)
    You'll most likely be playing off 3.


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    #146
    padmcv
    Registered Users Posts: 87 ✭✭padmcv


    prawnsambo wrote: »
    Your course handicap is an integer. So that would be 15 and your playing handicap would be also an integer of that - 14. Doesn't change anything, but would if your course handicap dropped to 14.4. In which case your playing handicap would be 13.

    I'm going by this https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/handicapping/world-handicap-system/world-handicap-system-usga-golf-faqs/faqs---where-does-rounding-occur-.html


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    #147
    rickis tache
    Registered Users Posts: 592 ✭✭✭rickis tache


    rickis tache wrote: »
    Gone from 12.5 on golfnet to 14.6 on whs .... October scores not included yet so expecting a cut.

    Well cut back down or is it up to 12.7 on whs


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    #148
    prawnsambo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,351 ✭✭✭✭prawnsambo


    padmcv wrote: »
    I'm going by this https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/handicapping/world-handicap-system/world-handicap-system-usga-golf-faqs/faqs---where-does-rounding-occur-.html
    Well if you look at the conversion tables that were sent out to clubs a few weeks ago, the Course Handicap is listed in integer and the corresponding Handicap Indexes in decimal.

    Basically for each set of tees, there are two columns that would look something like this:

    Handicap Index|Course Handicap
    ...|...
    11.1 to 11.9|13
    12.0 to 12.8|14
    12.9 to 13.6|15
    13.7 to 14.5|16
    ...|...


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    #149
    what2do
    Registered Users Posts: 414 ✭✭what2do


    My Congu is/was 19, my HI is 18 and my playing handicap on my course is now going to be 21... which I what I came down from this year so feels like I am back where I began the year!!!


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    #150
    blue note
    Registered Users Posts: 4,517 ✭✭✭blue note


    A stat I'd love to see, but I can't imagine I will is how much the average handicap changed by club compared to nationally. And a standard deviation would be good too in case some clubs had big swings both ways.

    It wouldn't mean the changes are wrong, but it would show where the differences will lie.


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    #151
    Mac_Lad71
    Registered Users Posts: 715 ✭✭✭Mac_Lad71


    CONGU handicap 11.9.

    WHS Handicap Index 9.8.

    Course Handicap 11.7( (9.8 X 135) / 113) with 135 being the slope index of my home course off white tees.

    Playing Handicap for competitions is 95% of course handicap which in my case gives me 11 shots.


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