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Who Watches the Watchmen (Our Chit Chat Thread)
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You'll likely get far more comments about a quartz Tag F1 than some of the far more high end pieces here that'd get recognised in an instant elsewhere.
Wore a quartz tag for years, still have it, never got a single comment. At least with a Rolex you get a comment in a jewellers or from those in the know. Tags are mostly undesirable bar a few Monaco's. I would comment on a persons watch, but I wouldn't on a tag. Mostly because I would assume that person is not really into watches and it would lead to a awkward conversation.
Somebody crosses my path with a nice Navitimer I will say " Hey nice Navitimer thats cool" and I am almost guaranteed they will appreciate the comment at the least and may spark a conversation at best. This is me a tag owner saying this. If you have a tag and you love it, that great. I am happy for you. But they aint the greatest watches in the world even in their own price bracket.
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Absolutely - bit weird to say otherwise
I never did say otherwise, the discussion is in the nuance (and outrage is the destroyer of nuance), and started with Banie musing on weather he wanted a Rolex for the watch or because everyone wanted one. I commented that other people generally are not interested in watches so I personally was not buying any more Rolex cause I found other quality watches more interesting. Ciancieno though it was odd I would consider other people impressions of my watch at all. I commented that the wearing of jewellery is inherently a social game and that this concept of "buy what you like" is a dangerous one in watch collecting and gets immature collectors into a lot of troulbe (not just financially, but in having collections that have nothing of quality). By all mean buy what you like, but my advice is try to pick watches that at least some other people generally like too. There is a reason collectors gravitate towards similar watches, and I would never be so presumptious to assume that my personal taste knows better.
That Devon trend is "interesting" but for 20k I think you would want rocks in your head, ugly as hell IMHO. There is a tendency in watch circles for a sort of disingenuous withering positivity to creep in. Its a hobby of art and craftmanship appreciation, we are allowed to have opinions on what is good and what is bad, thats the fun of it. To somehow have the opinion that there are no bad, ugly, poor value, badly made or overpriced watches because the purchaser "is buying what he likes" is the epitome of the participation award generation.0 -
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Oh I would agree if one wears a watch as jewellery and playing that social game as the primary thing. For many in the hobby and collectors it's not. Though I have found online and off those two positions can find it hard to understand one another and there's little overlap. Like I mentioned earlier I can think of very few watch nutz who straddled both camps. And then there's the broad gulf between new and vintage guys and rarely does that twain meet.I commented that the wearing of jewellery is inherently a social game and that this concept of "buy what you like" is a dangerous one in watch collecting.
For the vast majority of people during the 20th century and even today a watch was a (usually)one off practical item and jewellery often bought to mark a milestone in life. Hence why for the most part stainless steel models were much rarer as people went for gold or gold plated to reflect that(issued military watches being the outlier here). The watches as jewellery folks are simply continuing that tradition. That goes just as much for the 200 quid fashion watches as the 20k examples from the luxury brands. Though for watch nuts there's generally more expertise, argument, flipping and more watches going on.
The above changed or at least was added to with collecting itself becoming a bigger thing, driven by the interwebs. Then you saw the collecting guys, usually with a focus, who had been a tiny minority of weirdos, come into the game in numbers.
As for comments from jewellers: I was in a very well known Dublin establishment where one of the senior sales guys asked me if a Trench watch I was wearing was automatic or quartz... Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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Wibbs I think it goes without saying that when I comment on watches I am not commenting about the more unique type of collector, but the more mainstream watch collector (of which I am one and you are not). You are the exception that proves the rules. I honestly know nothing about vintage watches and espically the vintage you like. I could easily get caught asking a stupid question about it too, but at least it shows an interest. 0
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:eek::D Well kinda. IMH there would be two very general engaged collector types; the new/current guys and the vintage guys. Both pretty mainstream these days and the mindset is quite different. The vintage types are much less about the fashion/social cache(maybe among themselves) angle and the collecting focus is a lot wider. Well they have a hundred years of all sorts to choose from which kinda helps.Wibbs I think it goes without saying that when I comment on watches I am not commenting about the more unique type of collector, but the more mainstream watch collector. You are the exception that proves the rules. So it's a much broader church anyway. They're rarely flippers too. Well they tend to be hoarders as a breed. Like one chap on another forum that has something like 12 issued Rolex Milsubs. Lovely bloke too, but many in the new/current side might think him mad.
The exceptions to that would be the really high end trust/hedge fund types throwing the GDP of a small nation at auctions of Pateks made from rose unobtainium with a unicorn horn dial, only to see the same example show up in six months time at another auction, but they'd be a very rare breed indeed.
Down the years I've generally hung out on vintage focused forums because I preferred the vibes in general. On the mil watch forum I've seen the regulars have just as much of a genuine "oh nice one, you jammy bastid!" over a rare Vietnam issued piece made from plastic as they do over a French issued Breguet type XX. That and I prefer the history, both personal and horological attached to all that. A new[insert any brand here] doesn't have that to nearly the same degree for me, so I generally find them less interesting, unless they're an unusual not so safe choice, or they're a personal milestone piece for someone.Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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:eek::D Well kinda. IMH there would be two very general engaged collector types; the new/current guys and the vintage guys. Both pretty mainstream these days and the mindset is quite different. The vintage types are much less about the fashion/social cache(maybe among themselves) angle and the collecting focus is a lot wider. Well they have a hundred years of all sorts to choose from which kinda helps. So it's a much broader church anyway. They're rarely flippers too. Well they tend to be hoarders as a breed. Like one chap on another forum that has something like 12 issued Rolex Milsubs. Lovely bloke too, but many in the new/current side might think him mad.
The exceptions to that would be the really high end trust/hedge fund types throwing the GDP of a small nation at auctions of Pateks made from rose unobtainium with a unicorn horn dial, only to see the same example show up in six months time at another auction, but they'd be a very rare breed indeed.
Down the years I've generally hung out on vintage focused forums because I preferred the vibes in general. On the mil watch forum I've seen the regulars have just as much of a genuine "oh nice one, you jammy bastid!" over a rare Vietnam issued piece made from plastic as they do over a French issued Breguet type XX. That and I prefer the history, both personal and horological attached to all that. A new[insert any brand here] doesn't have that to nearly the same degree for me, so I generally find them less interesting, unless they're an unusual not so safe choice, or they're a personal milestone piece for someone.
I have tried a few vintage rolex forums and cant say the vibe was relaxed. There is huge knowledge asymmetry and the cost of entry is very high. Those vintage type were very cost/investment and social cache focused. Also some of the speedmaster collectors are totally militant and will eat you alive for suggesting one model that looks identical to another. I appreciate that they have the experiance and would put some stock in their opinions. When you playing with large amounts of cash you dont want to make rookie mistakes that only later turn out to leave me dissatisfied with my decisions. If I were to buy a vintage watch I would lean on your experiance in the area as I dont know what to look for, whats good, whats interesting and whats not.
Opinions are like assholes, everyones got one, but when a expert tells you that yours skinks you either listen, or go around will a smelly ass.:D0 -
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The clue is to be found in the title sad to say F. If it's got a more US focused membership, double that. Their aspirational culture tends to make them love to spout how much they've been ripped off.I have tried a few vintage rolex forums and cant say the vibe was relaxed. It's also not helped by Rolex themselves as until recently they'd "destroy" a watch in vintage terms with service parts sometimes to the point where Trigger's broom was in play and they have never been helpful when it came to their vintage owners and won't confirm or deny anything. Add in soaring values and the huge number of franken fakery that follows even the vintage end(I'm no 60's Rolex expert by any measure but I'd reckon at least a third of dealer vintage Rollies are "wrong"). So I'm not so surprised there's a lack of relaxation there.
Hmmm. For yourself I'd actually reckon a 70's Omega Seamaster of some nature. Has the name and cache, robust watch, properly serviced just as good as new(and no issue with spares), decent "modern" size for the most part, not silly money to get into and you'll get your money back getting out.If I were to buy a vintage watch I would lean on your experiance in the area as I dont know what to look for, whats good, whats interesting and whats not.
On watch experts on the interwebs I prefer if one person tells you you smell, ignore them, if ten do, buy soap.Opinions are like assholes, everyones got one, but when a expert tells you that yours skinks you either listen, or go around will a smelly ass.:D Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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On watch experts on the interwebs I prefer if one person tells you you smell, ignore them, if ten do, buy soap.
Hey maybe I like having a smelly ass, I dont care what the consensus is Who are they to say the bang of crap is wrong, it makes me happy, we all love the smell of our own after all. I am in a smelly ass facebook group and we all agree there is nothing wrong with it, infact those suckers washing, and bathing and wiping are just chasing some social norm driven by expectation. Its actually healthy to let the bacteria breath on the cheeks. :pac::pac::pac::pac: 0 -
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Deleted User wrote: »What do ye make of the 1963 Seagull reissues? I think they're absolutely gorgeous but would have to do an international order to get one so couldn't see it first.
Is it the type of thing that looks ok with jeans / t / casual shirt? Is the quality consistent if you get a legit one?
On 'seeing it first' you will just have to read the returns policy of the vendor carefully and go for it preferably using PayPal.
Yes it will go perfectly with smart-casual clothing and was the first of my watches my wife expressed a like for "Oh I see you're wearing your nice watch again".
They are all 'legit' but as the owner of a standard type and a HKED panda type from Red Star got on Aliexpress I'd recommend the standard one for a first time buyer. Probably buy from a reputable European vendor like Poljot24 in Germany who I've had nothing but good experiences buying from.
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Type 1 or 2? My mother and younger brother are both type 1. I seem to have escaped so far. I didn't know about suits being reduced, perhaps dress watches will be too!
I am the awkward bastárd lovechild of diabetes,Type 1.5, not watch related I know but the current research points to diabetes being a spectrum rather than the mainly accepted T1/1.5/2 categories.
Was originally diagnosed as a type 2, at 26 very fit playing high level rugby and not at all a usual T2 presentation.
I keep getting the economics of this bloody outbreak wrong
So don't pay too much heed to me :P but there is a surfeit of stock across every industry that will either have to be discounted on the output side, or in the longer term held as inventory and production at least slowed at the input side of the equation.
Be it consumer goods, agricultural, and a whole swathe of other business lines, impact is huge.0 -
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Put it this way - even in our law firm (considered pretty conservative by most) - a year ago we switched to casual dress - so sweaters and chinos for the guys generally.
I say the suit may be a dying form of dress if even the law firms aren't requiring them anymore - relegated to black tie and weddings perhaps.
The partners in our firm were initially against the idea but then discovered how comfy sweaters/turtlenecks/jumpers are and you almost never see a suit being worn in the office (when we were still in the office) except when meeting clients.
Saves a ton on dry cleaning bills too!
if lads are wearing turtle necks to work id be bringing suits back pronto
i love a nice suit but like that i only really wear one when travelling to our office in london or if we have an industry event, otherwise we dont really wear them.0 -
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It's very interesting, isn't it? Gone even in the most conservative professions as Thirdfox says. Back in the 90s everybody working in an office in Ireland wore a suit & tie. Even the most junior staff. Later on in the 00s like Cyrus I only wore it when going to customer sites, but that habit has long died since too. Jeans and decent shirt and decent shoes is fine now. The new business costume My ads on adverts.ie
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id thanks this twice if i could
Even before Covid I noticed at conferences and when lecturing that the young guys all wore sports jackets, shirts and trousers...no tie, shirt at various states of unbuttoning.
It seems that a full suit is more held for the older speaker, and the california tech scene has put out the impression that the conformity of the suit shows you lack imagination and drive.0 -
Even before Covid I noticed at conferences and when lecturing that the young guys all wore sports jackets, shirts and trousers...no tie, shirt at various states of unbuttoning.
It seems that a full suit is more held for the older speaker, and the california tech scene has put out the impression that the conformity of the suit shows you lack imagination and drive.
personally if im wearing a suit its with a tie, if im not wearing a tie its a blazer and chinos but i dont like a suit with no tie and no one that ive seen wearing it like that has changed my mind so far 0 -
personally if im wearing a suit its with a tie, if im not wearing a tie its a blazer and chinos but i dont like a suit with no tie and no one that ive seen wearing it like that has changed my mind so far
I dunno Cyrus...
A lot of young lads looked like this when I made my communion!
And they're all 40-ish now :P but still nowhere near as cool
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Oh dear. I just got turned to black dials by a post on Reddit. Seiko SRP467J1.
https://www.reddit.com/comments/jjldui
Google for a less stylised pic.
Are Presage a good buy? I don't have any automatics and a shop in Vietnam actually has this one for $600, but in a different city. Gorgeous dial and it has the Japanese days but numbers instead of days.0 -
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what I found living there for the year was how many sculpted/super fit people there are too
You must have been living in California so
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Ball is Chinese now.
As is Universal Geneve btw (found that out when I was looking into the UG 101 Microtor relaunch) - HK specifically.
One new(ish) US microbrand that people have a lot of love for is Monta - which kinda aims at Omega finishing but at 1-2k usd pricing and without their in-house movement (though just today I was talking about how "in-house" doesn't mean much by itself - Sea-Gull, Citizen and Seiko all have in-house movements too )
Nodus in my recollection is US based too and targets a $500-700 audience.0 -
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