Star Trek: Lower Decks (animated series)

Slydice · 20-08-2020 10:03pm

3: Some old school tng feel at the start with the log and ship in warp. Then some story some daft. Had a lol at the most important person ever

FutureGuy · 21-08-2020 9:21am

Two-handed fist fighting. :pac::pac::pac:

Rawr · 21-08-2020 10:10am

Stark wrote: »

There were Bajorans in Starfleet even without Bajor joining Federation. Ensign Ro and Ensign Sito (from the TNG Lower decks episode) for instance.

Very true. The main reason I wonder if he's ex-Bajoran Militia are his scars. Would suggest someone who was also a member of the Bajoran Resistance and had been injured fighting the Cardassians. Those people had a knack of becoming Militia after Bajor regained independence and would probably only become Starfleet officers if Bajor joined the Federation.

Of course he could have also joined Starfleet on his own initiative, and his scars might not have anything to do with the Cardassians. Mostly just curious if Bajor actually joined the Federation in the end.

Stark · 22-08-2020 3:50pm

FutureGuy wrote: »

Two-handed fist fighting. :pac::pac::pac:

Bit of a missed opportunity to splice in stunt doubles mid scene there

GSPfan · 23-08-2020 11:44am

I liked the third episode. Two fisted fighting was enough to get me laughing.

I’m so used to watching Futurama (which is my favourite ever animated show) where the references to Star Trek are plentiful and funny when they arrive. I forget I’m watching an actual Star Trek branded show when I’m watching this and it’s confusing me. Ha.

Mariner is a pain. She will be the Michael Burnham of this show for me where I never really want to watch an episode twice because the main character annoys me.

Rawr · 23-08-2020 12:35pm

GSPfan wrote: »

Mariner is a pain. She will be the Michael Burnham of this show for me where I never really want to watch an episode twice because the main character annoys me.

I'm starting to feel this way too. She's not as bad a Burnham, possibly because I'm treating this is a parody of Trek.

The rest of the crew are kind not that bad though. I kind of liked Capt. Mariner in this one, her exhasperated captaincy of a ship of losers is a fun reflection of the usual "best of the best" Starfleet we often get in any given Trek show

She also had one of my favourite references of the episode.
"No-one wants to go to Cardassia Prime!"
Which makes perfect sense since it was only a handful of years since the place was levelled by the Dominion. I imagine it would still be a depressing place to visit by the time of this show.

AMKC · 23-08-2020 11:10pm

I liked this third episode. Much better than the second episode. I thought the security guy and the Cammander were idiots but they stopped been before the end of it. As for Marineer. Well at least she is well known now anyway so what they have done with her as worked but yes she can be annoying but was not too bad in this episode. She did seem like she had stepped up a few places on the ship do, what working alongside the Cammander and all. The Captain went a bit crazy there lol.

TheValeyard · 24-08-2020 12:18am

I enjoyed it. Particularly that last scene! Loved the references to TOS also.

I think the time of 22-24 minutes works well, does what its meant to, anymore would be a bit much, any less would be too rushed.

Greyjoy · 24-08-2020 5:50pm

Not a great episode for me. It's essentially an entire episode based off Scotty's advice to Geordi from "Relics". The 'most important person in Starfleet' was the only bit that gave me a genuine laugh.

TheValeyard · 24-08-2020 6:01pm

Greyjoy wrote: »

Not a great episode for me. It's essentially an entire episode based off Scotty's advice to Geordi from "Relics". The 'most important person in Starfleet' was the only bit that gave me a genuine laugh.

Well, he is the original Lower Deck member!

Stark · 24-08-2020 6:04pm

I know it's a tacky idea but I would love to see Harry Kim show up in an episode with the joke of the episode being how he's still an ensign.

Rawr · 24-08-2020 10:51pm

Stark wrote: »

I know it's a tacky idea but I would love to see Harry Kim show up in an episode with the joke of the episode being how he's still an ensign.

Kim: Now remember, work your ass off for a decade and brave the deepest darkest of space and you too could be where I am today.

Crewman: A Lieutenant, Junior Grade?

Kim: Damn right! And don't you forget it. (Impulsively begins to polish his "empty" rank pip)

Inviere · 25-08-2020 8:36am

Caught up on these yesterday. Frantic, unfunny, and lazy are the word that come to mind.

It's possible to infuse a Star Trek type universe with humour....The Orville absolutely nailed the concept...but Lower Decks misses the point. The humour works in The Orville because it juxtaposes nicely with the more caring tone of the show. In Lower Decks, it's just wall to wall "spring break" bollox.

Another Kurtzman mess to add to the sadly growing list.

JayRoc · 25-08-2020 10:14am

I probably enjoyed the third episode the least of them all so far (final scene gave me a chuckle but that was it)

Sonics2k · 25-08-2020 7:28pm

I don't know what's going on.
I don't know if I hate this, love this, or just a great big meh.

On the one hand, it's great to see a more light hearted and silly version of Star Trek, on the other hand, it's awful to see this quirky madness in Star Trek.

CastorTroy · 26-08-2020 12:33am

Not sure if it was a reference to Henry Cavill in Mission Impossible or not but the way Ransom pumped his arms before fighting reminded me of him.

Spear · 26-08-2020 5:57pm

Am I just being overly cynical, or is there a trend of promoting racism in this?

In episode 2, Mariner exploits, encourages and rewards Boimlers racism towards Ferengi.

In episode 3, Shax eagerly spouts anti-tree lover racist slogans to the crystal guys, despite knowing they're also courting the tree guys to join the Federation.

Maybe it really does have Rick and Morty level cynicism deep down....

Goodshape · 26-08-2020 6:54pm

Spear wrote: »

Am I just being overly cynical, or is there a trend of promoting racism in this?

In episode 2, Mariner exploits, encourages and rewards Boimlers racism towards Ferengi.

In episode 3, Shax eagerly spouts anti-tree lover racist slogans to the crystal guys, despite knowing they're also courting the tree guys to join the Federation.

Maybe it really does have Rick and Morty level cynicism deep down....

Yeah, I picked up on both of those too; particularly the Ferengi. They revealed (although I'm not sure it was ever in doubt?) that Boimler was wrong and the "typical Ferengi" thing was an act, but he and the rest of the crew didn't know that and still had a big ol' chuckle at the entire race of people. Pretty sloppy. Nobody learned anything and, worse, Mariner chose to exploit Boimler's racism rather than teach him.

Wish I was enjoying this show more. I see loads of potential but it's mostly with the background characters and side-gags. If they evened out the screentime a bit and stopped focusing so much on Mariner and Boimler I think it could be a lot better.

Evade · 26-08-2020 7:03pm

Sounds like they still warn Starfleet officers about Ferengi at Starfleet Academy.

TheValeyard · 26-08-2020 9:42pm

Evade wrote: »

Sounds like they still warn Starfleet officers about Ferengi at Starfleet Academy.

JayRoc · 26-08-2020 10:01pm

Evade wrote: »

Sounds like they still warn Starfleet officers about Ferengi at Starfleet Academy.

I know I'm probably overthinking this. But it always struck me as a fascinating thought: you SHOULD be racist when it comes to the Ferengi.

The writers created an entire people that you'd be a fool to trust, unscrupulous, duplicitous toerags to a man. I love the idea: it doesn't sit right with our modern ideology, as a liberal society, but aren't there some groups, demographics, or populations we distrust by experience?

Evade · 26-08-2020 10:16pm

It seems like there are basic cross cultural classes to prevent faux pas in Starfleet Academy. In Coming of Age one of Wesley's exams was noticing a human looking Starfleet officer actually had webbed fingers and that in his culture it is rude to apologise and the way to de escalte a confrontation was to not back down.

And it makes sense to know that if you pick a fight with a Klingon he is within his rights, as far as he is concerned, to kill you or in the Ferengi's case, before Zek's reformations that probably won't be brought up, their almost holy book of rules states that they will swindle you if they can. Rule of Acqusition 17: A contract is a contract is a contract... but only between Ferengi. Does it apply universally? No. In most cases? Yes

Justin Credible Darts · 26-08-2020 10:48pm

like it being illogical to tell a vulcan a joke ?

_Kaiser_ · 27-08-2020 10:25am

S01E04 now out in the usual places...

Goodshape · 27-08-2020 10:29am

Evade wrote: »

Sounds like they still warn Starfleet officers about Ferengi at Starfleet Academy.

Fair point but that was, what, 15 years ago? Attitudes seem to have regressed.

pah · 27-08-2020 10:39am

Goodshape wrote: »

Fair point but that was, what, 15 years ago? Attitudes seem to have regressed.

I think you'll find it's 360 years away.

StevenToast · 27-08-2020 10:43am

JayRoc wrote: »

I know I'm probably overthinking this. But it always struck me as a fascinating thought: you SHOULD be racist when it comes to the Ferengi.

The writers created an entire people that you'd be a fool to trust, unscrupulous, duplicitous toerags to a man. I love the idea: it doesn't sit right with our modern ideology, as a liberal society, but aren't there some groups, demographics, or populations we distrust by experience?

It has been said that the ferengi were based on the Jews...

Evade · 27-08-2020 11:14am

Goodshape wrote: »

Fair point but that was, what, 15 years ago? Attitudes seem to have regressed.

About 9 years in universe or 25 out of it. I haven't seen the episode yet.

Evade · 27-08-2020 11:21am

StevenToast wrote: »

It has been said that the ferengi were based on the Jews...

Citation needed. If you (rhetorical you) look at Ferengi and think"t "they're clearly Jews" I don't think it's the creators of the Ferengi that are the racists. Just like Alien, Predator, and Orcs aren't black people.

pah · 27-08-2020 11:32am

I proper laughed at O'Connor in the end

Spear · 27-08-2020 12:02pm

I thought episode 4 was decent. It had a proper science fiction concept at the core of the story, Mariner wasn't as over the top, and there was less heavy handed callbacks.

Samuel T. Cogley · 27-08-2020 3:45pm

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

S01E04 now out in the usual places...

There's a lot of celebrities telling me I can be financially independent by working 5 hours a week at my computer. In fairness when I'm working from home I'm not sure I'm even doing 5!

TheValeyard · 27-08-2020 5:37pm

Evade wrote: »

Citation needed. If you (rhetorical you) look at Ferengi and think"t "they're clearly Jews" I don't think it's the creators of the Ferengi that are the racists. Just like Alien, Predator, and Orcs aren't black people.

Well Combs played the Andorians as if they were Irish and the Vulcan were English

Goodshape · 27-08-2020 5:40pm

Spear wrote: »

I thought episode 4 was decent. It had a proper science fiction concept at the core of the story, Mariner wasn't as over the top, and there was less heavy handed callbacks.

Exactly that.

Enjoyable episode! Nice bit of Star Trek sci-fi. A few light chuckles. Mariner was less annoying that usual.

FutureGuy · 27-08-2020 9:40pm

Another really great episode.

AMKC · 27-08-2020 10:17pm

That was a decent episode. I found the last bit the funniest do between Marineer and the guy she gave the chip to. What the hell was up with the other Captain do. Everything was going grand and he decides to mess it up idiot. There was a few times in this Marineer was annoying like the yawning part. I just wanted to hit her there but when her and the mother were getting along that was good.

FutureGuy · 28-08-2020 9:52am

AMKC wrote: »

That was a decent episode. I found the last bit the funniest do between Marineer and the guy she gave the chip to. What the hell was up with the other Captain do. Everything was going grand and he decides to mess it up idiot. There was a few times in this Marineer was annoying like the yawning part. I just wanted to hit her there but when her and the mother were getting along that was good.

You can definitely see there is a Starfleet officer in Mariner when she is engaged in what she is doing.

Slydice · 29-08-2020 2:13am

4: Enjoyed this episode. Kept wondering if Genesis wasn't mentioned cos it's still a secret.

squonk · 30-08-2020 12:02pm

I’m just up to episode three but it definitely seems to be getting better. Yes, it’s still a bit silly and very lightweight but as trek goes Episode three was probably some of the best trek I’ve seen in a long time. I feel kind of sad saying that.

It seems to be settling down into a watchable show. Episode three was very TOS, early TNG. I have tried me that that’s the kind of track I want back. There is a lot to be said for episodic TV with maybe a season wide arc.

As a 20 minute sure it’s just long enough, and yes the main character is annoying but I think she’s toning it down a bit now. After the first episode I really expected to hate the rest of the show however it’s definitely trying to improve so I will keep watching.

GSPfan · 30-08-2020 2:41pm

I don’t know if I’ll stick with this show long term if I’m honest. I don’t think it takes itself serious enough and I don’t think it’s funny for a show that tries to be. It’s got some funny moments but my primary emotion is annoyance.

I’m also not really understanding why they would call the show Lower Decks when every episode has heavy involvement with the senior officers. Surely it’d be better to base the show on the day to day mundane duties of the ensigns and sprinkle in some senior officer interaction.

AMKC · 30-08-2020 3:08pm

GSPfan wrote: »

I don’t know if I’ll stick with this show long term if I’m honest. I don’t think it takes itself serious enough and I don’t think it’s funny for a show that tries to be. It’s got some funny moments but my primary emotion is annoyance.

I’m also not really understanding why they would call the show Lower Decks when every episode has heavy involvement with the senior officers. Surely it’d be better to base the show on the day to day mundane duties of the ensigns and sprinkle in some senior officer interaction.

I actually like the way it is at the moment. I think it's a nice mixture of both.

Rawr · 31-08-2020 7:38am

FutureGuy wrote: »

You can definitely see there is a Starfleet officer in Mariner when she is engaged in what she is doing.

I wonder why she changed to Gold. Didn't seem to be doing anything specifically engineering or security. I thought Command Red was used when they weren't sure...

Spear · 31-08-2020 12:06pm

Rawr wrote: »

I wonder why she changed to Gold. Didn't seem to be doing anything specifically engineering or security. I thought Command Red was used when they weren't sure...

Gold covers the operations department, e.g. like Harry Kim in Voyager, and she seems to have been assigned to ops, as she was invited to ops reviews.

TheValeyard · 31-08-2020 3:51pm

AMKC wrote: »

I actually like the way it is at the moment. I think it's a nice mixture of both.

Was also nice to see some Tellerites again.

Stark · 31-08-2020 4:14pm

One of the highlights for me was seeing someone in the captain's chair who wasn't a human or Vulcan. Odd that Tellar Prime and Andoria were founding worlds but you never see representatives from the two species in key roles.

FutureGuy · 31-08-2020 6:57pm

Rawr wrote: »

I wonder why she changed to Gold. Didn't seem to be doing anything specifically engineering or security. I thought Command Red was used when they weren't sure...

https://intl.startrek.com/videos/watch-star-trek-lower-decks-moist-vessel-easter-eggs

AMKC · 01-09-2020 12:02am

TheValeyard wrote: »

Was also nice to see some Tellerites again.

Yes that was nice alright. Hopefully they will show more minor species in it. I would love if we heard from the Sheliac again but don't think that will happen in Lower Decks.
Would also be interesting if we hot to find out what became of Voyager after it got home. A visit to DS9 would cool too.

GSPfan · 01-09-2020 7:02am

Why is Boimlers hair purple? He’s human, I assume fully human, but I was wondering why he has purple hair.

Not really important but I wonder will they reveal one of his parents is not human.

Justin Credible Darts · 01-09-2020 7:10am

GSPfan wrote: »

Why is Boimlers hair purple? He’s human, I assume fully human, but I was wondering why he has purple hair.

Not really important but I wonder will they reveal one of his parents is not human.

its a cartoon , and a bad one at that

01-09-2020 8:48am

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

its a cartoon , and a bad one at that

You still watching it then?

Star Trek: Lower Decks (animated series)

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