#SpeakOut - Sexual Assault Allegations Superthread

John Hutton · 20-06-2020 4:10pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

After a falling out is the issue with kenny bolin for me. As several wrestlers have said on twitter, This isn't the time to settle grudges with people in wrestling using this moment. It's amazing how easy bolin went from being lifelong friends and saying how great Jim cornette is and was to now having the knife out for him.

Bolin is also a notorious liar and renowned for screwing people over, this is even reflected in the title of his book.

Cornette was good to Bolin for years and years and Bolin basically kept going on Russo's podcasts where Russo obviously used him to get dirt on Cornette. Cornette basically told him to go screw himself if he wanted to be buddies with Russo and here we are

EDIT: Watched most of the video, long story short they say that Cornette always had open relationships and that unless Cornette records an apology to Vince Russo Bolins son (as an aside it's easy to see how Cornette or any human being would not like him) will tell some stories. Throughout the video they are ecstatic that they might get 300 viewers.

Pathetic stuff really

B.A._Baracus · 20-06-2020 5:45pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Cornette and his Wife being swingers etc has been pretty much wrestling world knowledge for as long as I remember.

I just googled what his wife looks like.

John Hutton · 20-06-2020 5:51pm

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

I just googled what his wife looks like.

[img][/img]https://i.redd.it/m74ju8mvfek11.png

Ehhhh

This thread is about sexism, sexual assault, misogyny etc. Not sure if disparaging comments about a woman's appearance are a good idea.

B.A._Baracus · 20-06-2020 5:54pm

John Hutton wrote: »

Ehhhh

This thread is about sexism, sexual assault, misogyny etc. Not sure if disparaging comments about a woman's appearance are a good idea.

Just levity my good man. Hence the Simpsons image.

Don't get overly offended.

Neil3030 · 20-06-2020 6:39pm

For anyone interested, here too is the original accusation posted on Twitter by an indie wrestler called Phil Earley: https://twitter.com/AKI_Evolution/status/1273755945466806278

Mike Braddock, also an OVW allum, has openly supported Earley's claims.

Agent Coulson · 20-06-2020 6:57pm

How old was he when this grooming started?

The White Wolf · 20-06-2020 6:57pm

Neil3030 wrote: »

For anyone interested, here too is the original accusation posted on Twitter by an indie wrestler called Phil Earley: https://twitter.com/AKI_Evolution/status/1273755945466806278

Mike Braddock, also an OVW allum, has openly supported Earley's claims.

The guy refers to DMs he allegedly received from Cornette's wife during their time in OVW. Social media, never mind DMs, did not exist. The guy is a spoofer and if he's getting backed up it's by someone else equally disgruntled.

bennyl10 · 20-06-2020 7:05pm

The White Wolf wrote: »

The guy refers to DMs he allegedly received from Cornette's wife during their time in OVW. Social media, never mind DMs, did not exist. The guy is a spoofer and if he's getting backed up it's by someone else equally disgruntled.

Social media didnt exist in 2009?

There's more than enough accusations to make the cornette stuff seem legit

Itssoeasy · 20-06-2020 7:08pm

When are the cornette allegations meant to have happened ? He left OVW in 2005 and was in ROH and TNA after that so has it been worked out when this happen or at least the accusation in the tweet above ?

bennyl10 · 20-06-2020 7:10pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

When are the cornette allegations meant to have happened ? He left OVW in 2005 and was in ROH and TNA after that so has it been worked out when this happen or at least the accusation in the tweet above ?

he went back to OVW in 2009

Itssoeasy · 20-06-2020 7:10pm

bennyl10 wrote: »

Social media didnt exist in 2009?

There's more than enough accusations to make the cornette stuff seem legit

Accusations don't equal legitimacy.

JP Liz V1 · 20-06-2020 7:13pm

The White Wolf wrote: »

Riddle is the one DMing special cases on twitter in earnest. Cant exactly say he's played this stellar so far.

He debuted on SD last night still, I assume pre recorded

Itssoeasy · 20-06-2020 7:14pm

bennyl10 wrote: »

he went back to OVW in 2009

Fair enough but when did these instances happen ?

John Hutton · 20-06-2020 7:36pm

The screenshots from the messages are from 2017.

The screenshot messages say nothing about Jim at all.

He stopped working for OVW many many years before this.

There are lots of contradictions. It seems they are swingers which while morally questionable to some but not illegal. Asking someone to.partake in these activities is not illegal.

The issue here is if Cornette offered pushes or contracts or victimised people if they said no. The guy backing up the original poster actually says that he said no and went on to be on top in OVW and draw houses... I.e. he wasn't sacked or punished for saying no. But he singles out Cornette as out to get him and implies that Cornette slagging off his work and saying he doesn't want amputee wrestlers is down to him refusing Stacy.

So what we really have here when we distill it down is that Cornettes wife propositioned two people who both said no.

Anyway, Cornette is to discuss it all on Monday

Neil3030 · 20-06-2020 8:42pm

Bolin's son is demanding a verbal apology from Cornette to Vince Russo, or else he'll start spilling other information.

Agent Coulson · 20-06-2020 8:45pm

Neil3030 wrote: »

Bolin's son is demanding a verbal apology from Cornette to Vince Russo, or else he'll start spilling other information.

An apology to Russo did they groom him?

So the son is openly trying blackmail the Cornette's then with statements like that.

Itssoeasy · 20-06-2020 8:47pm

Neil3030 wrote: »

Bolin's son is demanding a verbal apology from Cornette to Vince Russo, or else he'll start spilling other information.

Why ? Cornette has every reason to be pissed at Russo and not WWE related. In tna Russo tried to get him fired so maybe it's me but I wouldn't have a positive opinion of someone who worked to get me fired from my job. Also, is that not blackmail of some description ?

Monokne · 20-06-2020 8:51pm

The Bolin/Russo/Cornette stuff is why you might wish the internet didn't exist. Does anyone seriously want to go down this wormhole again?

John Hutton · 20-06-2020 9:21pm

Monokne wrote: »

The Bolin/Russo/Cornette stuff is why you might wish the internet didn't exist. Does anyone seriously want to go down this wormhole again?

No!

Can't stand Bolin myself. Used to get a bit of a kick out of his odd appearances on Jim's shows but I looked into him more - he is not too bad but his son is seriously the sh its

Neil3030 · 20-06-2020 9:29pm

I could only grasp parts of the story because Bolin and his son were constantly interrupting each other and changing topic during that fairly irritating hour-long video I posted earlier.

Seems to have been over the restraining order episode; he did an AMA here: https://www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/6vzumx/im_chris_bolin_son_of_kenny_bolin_godson_of_jim/

The White Wolf · 20-06-2020 11:43pm

No one can seriously take Bolin at his word.

Itssoeasy · 21-06-2020 12:13am

The White Wolf wrote: »

No one can seriously take Bolin at his word.

Well you shouldn't anyway.

JamieHP · 21-06-2020 1:29am

Can't wait for the Vice episode on all this

RodVelvet · 21-06-2020 1:36am

Kenny Bolin is a bull**** artist. To listen to him, he was the greatest manager ever yet he never did anything outside OVW. He has acknowledged he only had a job cause he was buddies with Cornette. He also admitted to having a thing for young Asian girls (over 18),he's a sixty year old man.
The son is even worse, he has an opinion on everything and his opinion goes. At least Kenny is entertaining.

Lord TSC · 21-06-2020 8:30am

Janela going in with a two footed tackle on Joey Ryan. Janela must be a bloody saint, cause he is showing absolutely zero fear of any sort of counter accusation or the likes.

https://twitter.com/JANELABABY/status/1274546628079357954

The White Wolf · 21-06-2020 8:31am

As an aside, wrestling fans on Twitter really are entitled whinge bags.

Lord TSC · 21-06-2020 8:56am

I can’t think of any twitter based fandom that doesn’t have large entitlement issues. Twitter, by and large, is an absolute disaster for giving a platform to the absolute worst elements of “fandom”. Said nutters have always existed but now they have a direct line to the subjects of their obsessions, as well as a way to find other similar minded nutters...

The White Wolf · 21-06-2020 9:48am

Lord TSC wrote: »

I can’t think of any twitter based fandom that doesn’t have large entitlement issues. Twitter, by and large, is an absolute disaster for giving a platform to the absolute worst elements of “fandom”. Said nutters have always existed but now they have a direct line to the subjects of their obsessions, as well as a way to find other similar minded nutters...

I just can't fathom why anyone would indulge them by responding to DMs when the screenshots will be inevitably posted.

briany · 21-06-2020 10:16am

https://twitter.com/JANELABABY/status/1273816990776463361?s=19

https://twitter.com/JANELABABY/status/1273803032535404545?s=19

Joey Janela having a go at Cornette over being an alleged swinger - not sure what that's got to do do with anything in itself. If Cornette was trying to bully wrestlers into swinging, or for not swinging, that'd be one thing, as has been alleged, you could criticise for that, but not simply for swinging where it is consenting adults.

Lithium93_ · 21-06-2020 11:30am

I don't know if anyone here follows Katey Harvey on Twitter, but her pinned tweet from 13 hours, holy ****ing ****, the pinned tweet is absolutely vile to read.

That someone would go to that length and type it up and send it.

the eternal struggler · 21-06-2020 12:48pm

The White Wolf wrote: »

As an aside, wrestling fans on Twitter really are entitled whinge bags.

Can you imagine what'll happen when some females in the business start exposing some of the stuff these entitled whinge bags direct message to them? Lots of glass houses around me thinks.

B.A._Baracus · 21-06-2020 1:22pm

briany wrote: »

https://twitter.com/JANELABABY/status/1273816990776463361?s=19

https://twitter.com/JANELABABY/status/1273803032535404545?s=19

Joey Janela having a go at Cornette over being an alleged swinger - not sure what that's got to do do with anything in itself. If Cornette was trying to bully wrestlers into swinging, or for not swinging, that'd be one thing, as has been alleged, you could criticise for that, but not simply for swinging where it is consenting adults.

Only my opinion...
But this whole thing has gotten out of hand. It's now about airing so called grievances about someone online.

beakerjoe · 21-06-2020 2:05pm

Lithium93_ wrote: »

I don't know if anyone here follows Katey Harvey on Twitter, but her pinned tweet from 13 hours, holy ****ing ****, the pinned tweet is absolutely vile to read.

That someone would go to that length and type it up and send it.

I can tell you one thing, she is a top wrestler, one of the best in the factory. I learned more by training with her than anyone else there. Whoever wrote that shot must have a personal vendatta against her.

LineOfBeauty · 21-06-2020 2:20pm

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Only my opinion...
But this whole thing has gotten out of hand. It's now about airing so called grievances about someone online.

Yes that's what's out of hand. Not the rape, grey rape or pedophilia rampant in pro wrestling, and specifically Irish and British wrestling, it's the swingers accusation that has crossed the line.

Insect Overlord · 21-06-2020 2:47pm

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

Yes that's what's out of hand. Not the rape, grey rape or pedophilia rampant in pro wrestling, and specifically Irish and British wrestling, it's the swingers accusation that has crossed the line.

It looks like the David Starr revelations could prove to be a watershed moment of sorts for all of society. It's gone well beyond the wrestling scene now. Irish comedians, musicians and journalists (including the small, tight community of Irish language journalism) have also been speaking up over the last 24 hours or so. The entertainment industry did not sort itself out during the original #metoo wave.

B.A._Baracus · 21-06-2020 3:39pm

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

Yes that's what's out of hand. Not the rape, grey rape or pedophilia rampant in pro wrestling, and specifically Irish and British wrestling, it's the swingers accusation that has crossed the line.

... Seriously dude?

briany · 21-06-2020 4:01pm

Vince McMahon must be seriously hoping Rita Chatterton does not have a Twitter account right about now.

Itssoeasy · 21-06-2020 4:20pm

Insect Overlord wrote: »

It looks like the David Starr revelations could prove to be a watershed moment of sorts for all of society. It's gone well beyond the wrestling scene now. Irish comedians, musicians and journalists (including the small, tight community of Irish language journalism) have also been speaking up over the last 24 hours or so. The entertainment industry did not sort itself out during the original #metoo wave.

I saw the Irish comedian stuff. One of the main guys who accused al porter has turned out to ten times worse. The accounts of people about him are horrific to read. I've not heard the journalism stuff.

Agent Coulson · 21-06-2020 4:21pm

briany wrote: »

Vince McMahon must be seriously hoping Rita Chatterton does not have a Twitter account right about now.

Vince is more Trump than Trump he wouldn't care.

briany · 21-06-2020 4:48pm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Vince is more Trump than Trump he wouldn't care.

Not personally, no, but WWE has shown itself to be sensitive to scandal when exposed. The Chatterton case is old and Vince has already been through with it once, but it's hardly as if Twitter cares about a detail like that, and if it came up again, well, the last thing WWE needs is for their chairman to get embroiled and not simply some talent who they can sack at a moment's notice.

LineOfBeauty · 21-06-2020 5:16pm

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

... Seriously dude?

Seriously weird place to draw the line.

J. Marston · 21-06-2020 5:30pm

I'm shocked a lot more hasn't come out about Vince. From the outside looking in as a "smart fan" you've got a sleazy old man booking himself into sexualised angles with Trish, Sable, Torrie, Stacy etc.

B.A._Baracus · 21-06-2020 5:33pm

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

Seriously weird place to draw the line.

"Please won't someone think of the children!"
Etc etc.

Doesn't matter what I say. I know you're the type to play the moral outrage angle. Getting a right bang from what you said.

So go do it with someone else.

the eternal struggler · 21-06-2020 5:55pm

Just seen Scotty Davis has hit back. This is going to get a lot worse and messy before it gets better.

brianblaze · 21-06-2020 6:05pm

the eternal struggler wrote: »

Just seen Scotty Davis has hit back. This is going to get a lot worse and messy before it gets better.

I assume we all know the age of consent in Ireland is 17 and that's what the allusion was to at the start of that?

(Not picking anyone's side here. Just pointing out the clear intent of how that was worded)

Agent Coulson · 21-06-2020 6:07pm

If that statement he made about age is true then she raped him.

the eternal struggler · 21-06-2020 6:15pm

brianblaze wrote: »

I assume we all know the age of consent in Ireland is 17 and that's what the allusion was to at the start of that?

Oh God that never even twigged with me. ****ing hell.

J. Marston · 21-06-2020 6:20pm

Wrestling promotion call bullshít on Will Ospreay saying he never blacklisted Pollyanna...

https://twitter.com/IntWresLeague/status/1274740497454686209?s=19

Skeezy fúck.

LineOfBeauty · 21-06-2020 6:49pm

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

"Please won't someone think of the children!"
Etc etc.

Doesn't matter what I say. I know you're the type to play the moral outrage angle. Getting a right bang from what you said.

So go do it with someone else.

It'd be nice if you thought of some of the actual children who've been sexually abused instead of going to bat for some kind whose podcast you listen to on the way to work.

B.A._Baracus · 21-06-2020 7:34pm

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

It'd be nice if you thought of some of the actual children who've been sexually abused instead of going to bat for some kind whose podcast you listen to on the way to work.

Funny. I don't listen to podcasts. Never really got them :pac:

But let's back track. I posted something and I prefaced it with "only my opinion" then you reply with:

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

Yes that's what's out of hand. Not the rape, grey rape or pedophilia rampant in pro wrestling, and specifically Irish and British wrestling, it's the swingers accusation that has crossed the line.

... Which is sarcastic. See, you've already made up your mind. You are not looking to engage in a debate or discussion.
All you want is for me to get back so you can tell me how wrong I am.

So as I said before, go do this with someone else

#SpeakOut - Sexual Assault Allegations Superthread

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