10 people shot dead in Texas

Ash.J.Williams · 18-05-2018 8:27pm

BattleCorp wrote: »

I was asked a question and I answered it.

Guns can be owned safely.

We know

lawred2 · 18-05-2018 8:30pm

Gun nuts and the NRA love this stuff. Plenty of weasel words but ultimately this is good for business.

Especially with a lunatic in the White House who does kindergarten gun actions during speeches.

Sofiztikated · 18-05-2018 8:32pm

BattleCorp wrote: »

I have 7 guns here in Ireland, 3 of which are semi automatic. All are fully licensed. I don't have 30 round magazines but I do have 10 round magazines. I have 2 .357 calibre guns. I don't carry any of them around. My guns are used at the range only.

I can assure you that all schools around me are at no risk of me going on a shooting spree. I have been vetted by the Gardai and I have been stamped sane. :-)

If a person is sane, responsible, law abiding and keeps their guns safely stored, then I have no problem with that.

Dots1982 · 18-05-2018 8:37pm

People asking when will this end.

If school kids and adults who want gun control refuse to go to school or work until there are millions not going to school or work this issue would be resolved in a fortnight. Unfortunately those that want want gun control march, send tweets and make speeches instead and the NRA laugh into their sleeves.

Hit America’s economy and this becomes the presidents & political problem. Right now it’s just a private citizen’s problem.

Grayson · 18-05-2018 8:50pm

Manic Moran wrote: »

The San Francisco area county in which I live (Contra Costa) has had one murder per 100,000 citizens so far this year (11 murders, pop 1.1mil). I am not permitted to carry a firearm, there are no signs up anywhere saying "Can't carry here". My office is in Austin, TX, Travis County. Homicide rate thus far this year is exactly the same. (12 murders, pop 1.2mil). So you may -feel- safer here in the Bay Area than in Texas because you are not reminded that people may legally carry firearms, but are you actually safer because of it?

And when the probabilities do catch up with you, even if it's in a safe place like Dublin, saying "Well, that's a statistical aberration" is not much of a consolation.

I remember reading in the last week that the murder rate for San Francisco was twice that of Dublin (Ireland).

I googled Contra Costa. It's not San Francisco. It's a rather larger but suburban area. I've been around Dublin (for everyone else it's a town in that county) and Danville and Walnut Creak. It's very different to San Francisco. So are you comparing ,like with like when you compare Where you live with Austin?

Hitman3000 · 18-05-2018 9:13pm

badtoro wrote:

Great contribution, did you type it all yourself?

Y..e...a...h..

circadian · 18-05-2018 9:14pm

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

You need to google what a strawman argument is.

He really needs to up his troll game. Tonight in particular has been nothing but low energy guff.

Uncharted · 18-05-2018 9:56pm

Silane wrote: »

It blows my mind that Irish people think they can tell Americans what to do, when alcohol in Ireland kills more people per capita then guns murders in America. It also costs our economy massive amounts in lost productivity and the burden on the emergency services is massive. It's also probably a factor in most murders here, and then there's the domestic and sexual abuse that also goes along with it.

But hey, not everybody abuses alcohol here, most people use it responsibly, plus its just part of our culture, so it's grand. (Where have we heard that before?)

Yes.......but you can't turn multiple people into alcoholics against their will from 40yards away.....

goat2 · 18-05-2018 10:03pm

Dots1982 wrote: »

People asking when will this end.

If school kids and adults who want gun control refuse to go to school or work until there are millions not going to school or work this issue would be resolved in a fortnight. Unfortunately those that want want gun control march, send tweets and make speeches instead and the NRA laugh into their sleeves.

Hit America’s economy and this becomes the presidents & political problem. Right now it’s just a private citizen’s problem.

While watching the news on this this evening, I was thinking the same, if people stayed away from school and college, it would make them sit up and listen to large numbers, then it would show that people are afraid to enter schools and colleges due to these gun laws, I would be afraid if I had children in education in America, to send them to school, would worry each day that they would come home unharmed

Manic Moran · 18-05-2018 10:11pm

Grayson wrote: »

I remember reading in the last week that the murder rate for San Francisco was twice that of Dublin (Ireland).

I googled Contra Costa. It's not San Francisco. It's a rather larger but suburban area. I've been around Dublin (for everyone else it's a town in that county) and Danville and Walnut Creak. It's very different to San Francisco. So are you comparing ,like with like when you compare Where you live with Austin?

It's where I am vs where my office is. Seemed more appropriate to give places relevant to my actual life than academic numbers pulled from a table.

However, if you must have the San Francisco figures, there have been 12 homicides since Jan 1st (same as Travis County), but the county population is only 865,000.

Could be worse. Alameda County, between me and SF, is running at 27 murders out of 1.6mil people. Oakland accounts for 21 of those. (420,000 pop).

Dots1982 · 18-05-2018 10:25pm

goat2 wrote: »

Dots1982 wrote: »

People asking when will this end.

If school kids and adults who want gun control refuse to go to school or work until there are millions not going to school or work this issue would be resolved in a fortnight. Unfortunately those that want want gun control march, send tweets and make speeches instead and the NRA laugh into their sleeves.

Hit America’s economy and this becomes the presidents & political problem. Right now it’s just a private citizen’s problem.

While watching the news on this this evening, I was thinking the same, if people stayed away from school and college, it would make them sit up and listen to large numbers, then it would show that people are afraid to enter schools and colleges due to these gun laws, I would be afraid if I had children in education in America, to send them to school, would worry each day that they would come home unharmed

When the Florida school reopened after that massacre 95% of students turned up for the first day back.

Those kids, going back to walk around those corridors for hours a day a few weeks after that horror. They shouldn’t have being anywhere near it in my opinion.

Capt'n Midnight · 18-05-2018 10:28pm

http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2017/10/04/too-close-to-current-shooting-next-shooting-to-talk-about-gun-control-us-politicians-confirm/

LEADING politicians in America have helpfully lectured anyone asking for legislative change to gun laws to take a long, hard look at themselves as it is simply too soon to discuss the matter, owing to the fact it is too close to the current and next mass shooting tragedies.

http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2017/11/16/poll-what-is-your-favourite-us-mass-shooting-so-far-this-year/

Silane · 19-05-2018 6:23am

Paul_Mc1988 wrote: »

Oh yeah im going around shooting people with my pint on a saturday night.

I go shooting all the time and I've never shot anybody so by your logic guns aren't a problem either.

Paul_Mc1988 wrote: »

People kill themselves with drink they generally dont kill others and never on a scale like guns do.

http://alcoholireland.ie/facts/case-studies-kids/
"Almost half of the perpetrators of homicide were intoxicated when the crime was committed"

"One in eleven, or approximately 318,000 of the full adult population, said that they or a family member were assaulted by someone under the influence of alcohol in the past year"

I'm not saying guns aren't an issue in America, I'm just saying I think it's funny that Irish people think they're somehow more enlightened than Americans when we have our own similar problems which we defend with the exact same logic as Americans who support guns.

Irish Guitarist · 19-05-2018 7:10am

Is it just me or did that statement by the sheriff sound like he was trying not to offend gun owners? "Neither of these weapons were owned or legally possessed by the shooter". No, they belonged to his father.

NIMAN · 19-05-2018 7:29am

It's getting harder and harder to feel any shock after these shootings

As hard as it is to hear about innocent people getting murdered, it's quite clear thata lot of Americans, and especially those with power, are dumb enough to not see a problem with the amount of guns in their society.

But sure we'll say the next victims are in are thoughts and prayers, that'll make it all better.

Your prayers aren't working folks.

Greysquirel09 · 19-05-2018 8:55am

Silane wrote: »

I go shooting all the time and I've never shot anybody so by your logic guns aren't a problem either.

http://alcoholireland.ie/facts/case-studies-kids/
"Almost half of the perpetrators of homicide were intoxicated when the crime was committed"

"One in eleven, or approximately 318,000 of the full adult population, said that they or a family member were assaulted by someone under the influence of alcohol in the past year"

I'm not saying guns aren't an issue in America, I'm just saying I think it's funny that Irish people think they're somehow more enlightened than Americans when we have our own similar problems which we defend with the exact same logic as Americans who support guns.

Yeah everyone in Ireland is an expert on American gun law once a shooting happens. No one here gets it. I often wonder what Americans think looking in at our country. Alcoholism rife, embarrassing health system, can't even house our own Citizens etc etc. And here we are pontificating to them. Laughable really.

punisher5112 · 19-05-2018 8:58am

Greysquirel09 wrote: »

Yeah everyone in Ireland is an expert on American gun law once a shooting happens. No one here gets it. I often wonder what Americans think looking in at our country. Alcoholism rife, embarrassing health system, can't even house our own Citizens etc etc. And here we are pontificating to them. Laughable really.

Seriously.....

That sounds exactly like the USA but over there it's even worse.

Look up on Netflix a series called dope and that will show you what they have it like over there.

Bubbaclaus · 19-05-2018 9:03am

Those damn liberals with yet another mass shooting.

everlast75 · 19-05-2018 9:18am

Greysquirel09 wrote: »

Yeah everyone in Ireland is an expert on American gun law once a shooting happens. No one here gets it. I often wonder what Americans think looking in at our country. Alcoholism rife, embarrassing health system, can't even house our own Citizens etc etc. And here we are pontificating to them. Laughable really.

Really!? i would take our gun caused deaths, our health system and our homeless stats over the US any day. You should maybe try again.

And i don't see any pontification. I see part frustration or resignation that any country who does nothing after Sandy Hook has a very real mental sickness and its not clear how that can be cured.

Meanwhile, kids are dying and politicians are in the pockets of the NRA and despite there being evidence that the majority of americans want gun control, those politicians won't do anything because success in politics is generally linked to funding.

Greysquirel09 · 19-05-2018 9:33am

everlast75 wrote: »

Really!? i would take our gun caused deaths, our health system and our homeless stats over the US any day. You should maybe try again.

And i don't see any pontification. I see part frustration or resignation that any country who does nothing after Sandy Hook has a very real mental sickness and its not clear how that can be cured.

Meanwhile, kids are dying and politicians are in the pockets of the NRA and despite there being evidence that the majority of americans want gun control, those politicians won't do anything because success in politics is generally linked to funding.

You don't live in America you don't get it. I'm sorry but it's just that simple.

Bubbaclaus · 19-05-2018 9:40am

Greysquirel09 wrote: »

You don't live in America you don't get it. I'm sorry but it's just that simple.

Well clearly neither do you if you are claiming their health system is better and they don't have a homeless problem.

Greysquirel09 · 19-05-2018 9:43am

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Well clearly neither do you if you are claiming their health system is better and they don't have a homeless problem.

Homeless problem among middle class.. oops I said it.

Richard Hillman · 19-05-2018 10:02am

They are copycat killings. Stop giving the killers notoriety and they will reduce.

Greysquirel09 · 19-05-2018 10:04am

Richard Hillman wrote: »

They are copycat killings. Stop giving the killers notoriety and they will reduce.

Good point.

pjohnson · 19-05-2018 10:06am

Greysquirel09 wrote: »

Homeless problem among middle class.. oops I said it.

You've said a lot of oopsworthy things

Greysquirel09 · 19-05-2018 10:29am

pjohnson wrote: »

You've said a lot of oopsworthy things

It's very difficult to argue a point on these threads with people who have no lived experience or cop on of situation. Saying our healthcare is better than America. I mean that's just embarrassing.

Bubbaclaus · 19-05-2018 11:00am

Greysquirel09 wrote: »

It's very difficult to argue a point on these threads with people who have no lived experience or cop on of situation. Saying our healthcare is better than America. I mean that's just embarrassing.

You've clearly no idea how the US healthcare system works. Thank god for Ireland's public healthcare system.

You're embarrassing yourself here. Go read a book before replying.

lawred2 · 19-05-2018 11:04am

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Greysquirel09 wrote: »

It's very difficult to argue a point on these threads with people who have no lived experience or cop on of situation. Saying our healthcare is better than America. I mean that's just embarrassing.

You've clearly no idea how the US healthcare system works. Thank god for Ireland's public healthcare system.

You're embarrassing yourself here. Go read a book before replying.

I wouldn't be thanking anyone for our public health system.

It's barely average at best by European standards.

Wanderer78 · 19-05-2018 11:04am

Richard Hillman wrote:

They are copycat killings. Stop giving the killers notoriety and they will reduce.

America's school shootings are a lot more complicated than just copycat killings, and sadly such events will not be prevented from happening again, for the foreseeable future

pjohnson · 19-05-2018 11:05am

lawred2 wrote: »

I wouldn't be thanking anyone for our public health system.

It's barely average at best by European standards.

Perhaps but Ameica's is the poster boy for failed inefficient healthcare that costs far too much for far too little benefit.

Akrasia · 19-05-2018 11:11am

Greysquirel09 wrote: »

Good point.

yeah, sweeping a problem under the carpet makes it go away.

One thing that I think needs to happen, is that these people need to be captured alive, prosecuted and given life sentences with no chance of parole.

These school shooters are often elaborate suicide attempts. The shooters assume they're going to be shot dead by the police so they never get to experience the consequences of their actions.

This is the first instance in a long time that the shooter has been captured alive. This 17 year old might have thought his life sucked before he did this. Well, the rest of his life is going to be in a cage in a brutal and unforgiving federal prison system.

Greysquirel09 · 19-05-2018 11:21am

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

You've clearly no idea how the US healthcare system works. Thank god for Ireland's public healthcare system.

You're embarrassing yourself here. Go read a book before replying.

I know exactly how it works thank you very much I've been through the system. Talking about the standards and level of care. Thank god for Ireland's public healthcare system... after what's been going on the last month in this country. I'm not going to go on I'll just give you a chance to withdraw it.

Greysquirel09 · 19-05-2018 11:24am

Akrasia wrote: »

yeah, sweeping a problem under the carpet makes it go away.

One thing that I think needs to happen, is that these people need to be captured alive, prosecuted and given life sentences with no chance of parole.

These school shooters are often elaborate suicide attempts. The shooters assume they're going to be shot dead by the police so they never get to experience the consequences of their actions.

This is the first instance in a long time that the shooter has been captured alive. This 17 year old might have thought his life sucked before he did this. Well, the rest of his life is going to be in a cage in a brutal and unforgiving federal prison system.

Last shooter was caught alive also in Florida.

Billy86 · 19-05-2018 11:34am

Around the same number if not more children have been killed (edit) by guns in the US since Sandy Hook (five and a half years) than US military members have died on duty since 9/11 (just shy of seventeen years)... and this article is from before this latest shooting.

http://www.newsweek.com/gun-violence-children-killed-sandy-hook-military-soldiers-war-terror-911-848602

The report accounts for total deaths in the five military operations since the war on terror began following the September 11, 2001 attacks through 10 a.m. EST Thursday, March 15. Over 17 years of combat, the U.S. has lost 6,929 soldiers. Including Department of Defense civilians killed overseas, that number grows to 6,950.

In the five years and three months since the December 14, 2012 massacre at Sandy Hook in Newtown, Connecticut, when 20-year-old Adam Lanza killed 20 first graders and six adults with an AR-15-style rifle, about 7,000 children have died by gunfire. Though the exact figure is unclear, it rivals the tally of U.S. military deaths overseas—in 11 fewer years.

tinpib · 19-05-2018 11:47am

Billy86 wrote: »

Around the same number if not more children have been killed in school in the US since Sandy Hook

No, it's that more children have been killed by gunfire, not children killed in schools.

Still a shocking figure no matter what way you look at it though.

Billy86 · 19-05-2018 11:50am

Apologies, skimmed over that and missed it - have edited now!

mynamejeff · 19-05-2018 12:29pm

AnneFrank wrote: »

Imagine all the junkies around the quays in dublin had guns, this would happen every day

well no,

the average junkie has convictions for either drugs or violent crime

that would disqualify them from legally owning a firearm as it does in ireland

im most states the punishments for a felon being caught with a fire arm are long jail terms and they actually serve them in america

JP Liz V1 · 19-05-2018 12:32pm

And still Trump will do f*ck all

RIP those victims

Bunny Colvin · 19-05-2018 12:36pm

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

And still Trump will do f*ck all

RIP those victims

This is beyond Trump, it's their culture sure.

They need to tear up that country and start again. A factory reset.

Greysquirel09 · 19-05-2018 12:39pm

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

And still Trump will do f*ck all

RIP those victims

Ah it's Trumps fault now.

dr.fuzzenstein · 19-05-2018 12:51pm

mynamejeff wrote: »

well no,

the average junkie has convictions for either drugs or violent crime

that would disqualify them from legally owning a firearm as it does in ireland

im most states the punishments for a felon being caught with a fire arm are long jail terms and they actually serve them in america

And it's working fabulously! A resounding, 100% success.

In the five years and three months since the December 14, 2012 massacre at Sandy Hook in Newtown, Connecticut, when 20-year-old Adam Lanza killed 20 first graders and six adults with an AR-15-style rifle, about 7,000 children have died by gunfire.

America is just a culture of violence.
Their entire culture is based on violence, it is the preferred method of conflict resolution.
It amazes me that there are no travel advisories for the US, it's the most violent country in the developed world and vast swathes of it now look like the 3rd world.
It is a country for the top 10% and everyone else is completely unimportant. Their healthcare, social and educational systems tell you that. And their gun death statistics.
Not only does the ruling elite have no interest in changing this, it's in their interest to keep the 90% dumb and uninformed.
How else do you get turkeys to consistencies vote for Christmas every single time.

Anyways, nothing will change. America is in love with it's gun culture and yes, guns are more important than children, you'd have to be a grade A moron to pretend otherwise.
A lot of lip service "of course we value the lives of our children", but nothing changes, so that is just bulls*t and waffle.
If they cared, they would do something.

Bubbaclaus · 19-05-2018 1:26pm

Greysquirel09 wrote: »

I know exactly how it works thank you very much I've been through the system. Talking about the standards and level of care. Thank god for Ireland's public healthcare system... after what's been going on the last month in this country. I'm not going to go on I'll just give you a chance to withdraw it.

You're very lucky to either have had the money or the health insurance to go through the US health system so. Youre clearly clueless about the millions of people that cant even access healthcare in the states.

You can stop talking absolute horse ****e now. Ireland's system isn't perfect, but at least it's a public system with the same level of access for every citizen. Rather than the US where the richer you are the better care you receive and the poor can **** off.

19-05-2018 1:36pm

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

And still Trump will do f*ck all

Is there some president he should be living up to in this regard?

Greysquirel09 · 19-05-2018 1:38pm

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

You're very lucky to either have had the money or the health insurance to go through the US health system so. Youre clearly clueless about the millions of people that cant even access healthcare in the states.

You can stop talking absolute horse ****e now. Ireland's system isn't perfect, but at least it's a public system with the same level of access for every citizen. Rather than the US where the richer you are the better care you receive and the poor can **** off.

Are you for real?? 90% of people have health insurance in the USA it's not some unaffordable system that only millionaires access. You've absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Everybody who is in need of medical care gets it. The poor are at a major disadvantage there no doubt. Same as this bleeding kip we live in here. Seriously stop spouting nonsense. The standard and service and range of medical in the USA is far superior. I don't see too many sob stories on American tv of people saying we can only get this operation done in Ireland!

RustyNut · 19-05-2018 1:52pm

BattleCorp wrote: »

I wouldn't agree with this statement. I'm fairly sure most gun owners are parents and that they value their children's lives.

Just because you like guns doesn't mean that you don't value the life of a child.

As individuals yes but as a society no.

How many kids lives would be saved annually if it was mandatory for gun owners to keep their guns securely locked and ammunition stored separately.

How many toddlers have shot toddlers because someone feels the need to exercise their "right" to keep a loaded firearm within reach at all times.

Gun owners rights seem to trump children's rights, or that's how it seems to me anyway.

Bubbaclaus · 19-05-2018 1:53pm

Greysquirel09 wrote: »

Are you for real?? 90% of people have health insurance in the USA it's not some unaffordable system that only millionaires access. You've absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Everybody who is in need of medical care gets it. The poor are at a major disadvantage there no doubt. Same as this bleeding kip we live in here. Seriously stop spouting nonsense. The standard and service and range of medical in the USA is far superior. I don't see too many sob stories on American tv of people saying we can only get this operation done in Ireland!

Sure as long as it's only 10% (30 million people!) that can **** off in the states that's alright so. Every single citizen in Ireland can access the public system.

And speaking of homeless, I haven't seen 100s of people living under bridges in homeless societies burning rubbish in a barrel in Ireland any time lately.

StinkyMunkey · 19-05-2018 1:55pm

I never used to buy into the argument that the news coverage promoted this type of carnage, but I do now. It's now an ingrained trend, ever nut job with a gun now feels compelled to go out on a killing spree.

At one stage doing something like this would gain you infamy, now it's so common place, by the time the next one happens, your forgotten about.

Civilians don't need assault rifles, but the gun fan boys will try persuade you an AR 15 and the likes are not one. These type of guns have no business in the hands of civilians.

Stricter gun controls will help, if they save one life, the inconvenience towards the general public are worth it.

When a gun nuts start arguing that you should ban cars and anything else that can kill, they simply look over the fact that guns where invented to kill people. It's like saying breathing air is killing me, so ban breathing. It's a ridiculous argument coming from someone who hasn't got a leg to stand on and is throwing sh1t at an argument and hoping some sticks.

This type of carnage will continue until you remove the one common denominator - Guns. But alas, that won't happen, so the cycle continues and always will.

But I believe tighter gun controls can help.

Greysquirel09 · 19-05-2018 2:03pm

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Sure as long as it's only 10% (30 million people!) that can **** off in the states that's alright so. Every single citizen in Ireland can access the public system.

And speaking of homeless, I haven't seen 100s of people living under bridges in homeless societies burning rubbish in a barrel in Ireland any time lately.

No one is refused medical care in the United States will you get that into your head. They get bills of many thousands of dollars which are written off by the hospitals or by government insurance now please stop trying to continue this ridiculous argument and get back on topic. Burning rubbish in barrels you actually have me laughing you must be watching either Rocky or Trading places. Please get back on topic you are talking nonsense.

Graces7 · 19-05-2018 2:05pm

hgfj wrote: »

Thanks for the assurance. Feel a lot safer now. Whew! (wipes sweat off brow.)

and his exact location please to avoid.

pjohnson · 19-05-2018 2:06pm

Greysquirel09 wrote: »

No one is refused medical care in the United States will you get that into your head. They get bills of many thousands of dollars which are written off by the hospitals or by government insurance now please stop trying to continue this ridiculous argument and get back on topic. Burning rubbish in barrels you actually have me laughing you must be watching either Rocky or Trading places. Please get back on topic you are talking nonsense.

Ahahahahaha what nonsense told you this?

10 people shot dead in Texas

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