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Chemical weapon used on civilians in Syria + Airstrikes

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    #302
    Shurimgreat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭Shurimgreat


    donegaLroad wrote: »
    sorry, I dont understand what you mean. The 'left' dont have a vested interest in the arms industry, as far as I know.

    And Russia doesn't have an arms industry?


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    #303
    archer22
    Registered Users Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭archer22


    Shurimgreat wrote: »
    Gimme a break.

    More of the "my missile is bigger than your missile" nonsense. Your handlers are going to be very dissappointed with your efforts tonight!

    I think this tread is a bit too stressful for you...maybe you should take a rest.

    Lie down in a quiet place breathe deeply and try to relax


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    #304
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    prinzeugen wrote: »
    Does Russia have a crystal ball? How do they know that they are going to be hit with missiles?

    They only way they would know is because it is them doing the attacking.

    If anyone is staging false flag attacks it is Vlad. Would love to see how Russia would retaliate considering Russian equipment and crews are a load of crap.

    Look at how many planes crashed when that hulk of a so-called carrier visited the Med.

    Russian troops are stationed in around Damascus any attack with cruise missiles could kill Russian soldiers. Russia will not stand by and allow Nato to topple Assad.

    Russia can match America with advanced aircraft, tanks and missiles. You have obviously never looked up what kind of military equipment Russia has?


    I normally would not post this but I think important to dispel myths on here.

    They have the most modern tank in the world.


    Their fighters would match anything the Americas got.





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    #305
    donegaLroad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭donegaLroad


    Shurimgreat wrote: »
    And Russia doesn't have an arms industry?

    so are you claiming that the USA are the 'right'?


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    #306
    CZ 453
    Registered Users Posts: 1,725 ✭✭✭CZ 453


    Don't want this to go into a military thing but America spends 10 times what Russia spends. Let that sink in.


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    #307
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Russian troops are stationed in around Damascus any attack with cruise missiles could kill Russian soldiers. Russia will not stand by and allow Nato to topple Assad.

    Russia can match America with advanced aircraft, tanks and missiles. You have obviously never looked up what kind of military equipment Russia has?


    I normally would not post this but I think important to dispel myths on here.

    They have the most modern tank in the world.


    Their fighters would match anything the Americas got.

    Not in service X

    Not in service X


    And America has Apache's gunships and Vipers

    3rd generation stealth Actively flying in Syria



    They also have very modern and battle proven tanks and fighting vehicles

    That was a very short and disappointing game of Top Trumps


    Myths dispelled ✓
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    #308
    Shurimgreat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭Shurimgreat


    Their airplanes also routinely crash including tragically the one with the red army choir.
    They have one rusting diesel powered aircraft carrier against 20 nuclear powered American ones.
    No fifth generation fighters in active service.
    Cruise missiles which are erratic and prone to landing hundreds of miles off course. And so on and so forth.


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    #309
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    CZ 453 wrote: »
    Don't want this to go into a military thing but America spends 10 times what Russia spends. Let that sink in.

    A lot of that money goes to maintaining bases around the world and probably lot of money is stolen.


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    #310
    CZ 453
    Registered Users Posts: 1,725 ✭✭✭CZ 453


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    A lot of that money goes to maintaining bases around the world and probably lot of money is stolen.

    Now I know your on a wind up. Fair play. Happy hunting.


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    #311
    archer22
    Registered Users Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭archer22


    The Americans are in no fit condition to fight at the moment...they still haven't recovered from all that green beer on Saint Fatties day.


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    #312
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Shurimgreat wrote: »
    Their airplanes also routinely crash including tragically the one with the red army choir.
    They have one rusting diesel powered aircraft carrier against 20 nuclear powered American ones.
    No fifth generation fighters in active service.
    Cruise missiles which are erratic and prone to landing hundreds of miles off course. And so on and so forth.

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    #313
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Russian troops are stationed in around Damascus any attack with cruise missiles could kill Russian soldiers. Russia will not stand by and allow Nato to topple Assad.

    Russia can match America with advanced aircraft, tanks and missiles. You have obviously never looked up what kind of military equipment Russia has?


    I normally would not post this but I think important to dispel myths on here.

    They have the most modern tank in the world.


    Their fighters would match anything the Americas got.




    Does Russia have the capacity to deploy these beyond neighboring countries? It's kind of important.

    Russia isn't a serious world power anymore. It's moved down the list due to China. It's been reduced to online trolling to project power. It's run like a feudalistic mafia state. If not for oil and gas, they have nothing to contribute. The monthly wage there is pitiful. Bribery is still a thing over there. It's basically a white Nigeria with nukes.


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    #314
    Chrongen
    Registered Users Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭Chrongen


    super_furry wrote: »
    Of course! It's definitely Gatling "promoting fake news" and not the brand new account ending in a string of random number that has seemingly just signed up so they can tell everyone that Syria is a false flag attack, glorious leader Putin is best leader and the western media is lying to you, but you should trust Sputnik News.

    Mr Gatling has stated that American military forces were invited into Syria. Now if you would like to stand by that bit of fakery then go ahead. If you would like to distance yourself from such a lie then by all means step up.


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    #315
    prinzeugen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,891 ✭✭✭prinzeugen


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Russian troops are stationed in around Damascus any attack with cruise missiles could kill Russian soldiers. Russia will not stand by and allow Nato to topple Assad.

    Russia can match America with advanced aircraft, tanks and missiles. You have obviously never looked up what kind of military equipment Russia has?


    I normally would not post this but I think important to dispel myths on here.

    They have the most modern tank in the world.


    Their fighters would match anything the Americas got.




    PSML! Propaganda.

    They have 2 fighters (that is 2 planes not 2 types of plane) that might stand a chance against a F22 and that is only if they can get the engines to work..

    And why do these propaganda videos use a bad American robot voice?


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    #316
    Chrongen
    Registered Users Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭Chrongen


    RandomName2 wrote: »
    Trump was Putin's preferred winner in the US presidential election, but beyond that they are rivals, pure and simple.

    Can you explain how the Russians can determine who lives in the White House?


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    #317
    Chrongen
    Registered Users Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭Chrongen


    Shurimgreat wrote: »
    Assad, Gadaffi, Milosevic and Saddam. All beloved poster boys of the Irish hard left.
    They still lament the passing of Saddam and Gadaffi!

    No, just the millions of innocents who have been needlessly butchered because the 4 men you mentioned were so dreadful that such a holocaust had to occur, or so we're supposed to believe.


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    #318
    Chrongen
    Registered Users Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭Chrongen


    Shurimgreat wrote: »
    Well who the fcuk else is going to step up? The Germans? French? Italians?

    Thats right, no-one. The Europeans couldn't even end the Yugoslav Civil War in their own back yard. They are scared sh*tless of any kind of military action.
    As for the UN we know their record.


    STEP UP?

    The US STARTED the crisis in Syria. They unleashed and funded their ISIS bastards in an attempt to smash the country and install a pro-Washington stooge and now here you are saying that they are the only ones who can solve this mess?

    Are you fcuking serious?


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    #319
    Chrongen
    Registered Users Posts: 1,304 ✭✭✭Chrongen


    archer22 wrote: »
    Strange how Trump never hurled insults and threats at Netanyahu when he had hundreds of unarmed protesters shot recently...western media and politicians were very quiet about it also
    .Even though it was very real and no doubts about it.

    No diplomats expelled either.

    A couple allegedly poisoned in England and a diplomat is expelled without so much as an investigation.

    Israeli government forces are filmed murdering civilians.....not "accused" of or "suspected" of..actually FILMED and not so much as an admonishment.

    I guess I'm an anti-Semitic Putinbot for pointing this out.

    You see this is what the debate has become. A game. The defenders of US/NATO know that "their" guys are a duplicitous bunch of murderers. They just don't want to admit it. It would force them to do a bit of self exploration. Maybe even admit that they allowed themselves to be fooled for so long. And it's a lot easier to double down than to grow a pair and stand on one's own two feet.


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    #320
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Chrongen wrote: »
    No diplomats expelled either.

    A couple allegedly poisoned in England and a diplomat is expelled without so much as an investigation.

    Israeli government forces are filmed murdering civilians.....not "accused" of or "suspected" of..actually FILMED and not so much as an admonishment.

    I guess I'm an anti-Semitic Putinbot for pointing this out.

    You see this is what the debate has become. A game. The defenders of US/NATO know that "their" guys are a duplicitous bunch of murderers. They just don't want to admit it. It would force them to do a bit of self exploration. Maybe even admit that they allowed themselves to be fooled for so long. And it's a lot easier to double down than to grow a pair and stand on one's own two feet.

    Hate America ✓
    It's all America fault✓
    Hate Israel✓
    Denial of anything russia✓
    Deflection of anything russia✓
    Deflection of anything assad✓
    Denial of anything assad✓

    Just another late night rant ✓
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    #321
    [Deleted User]
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    It's frankly amazing that this anti-Russia rhetoric has gone from nonexistent a few years ago to equal to American society.

    Not only are we segregating ourselves into echo chambers online, we now have well-meaning fools calling people out as Russian bots or sympathisers for not following the status quo.


    I despise every single person who resorts to that BS. It's weak, cowardly and will ruin society. Debate the points or log off. Stop stifling people.


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    #322
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    Gatling wrote: »
    Chrongen wrote: »
    No diplomats expelled either.

    A couple allegedly poisoned in England and a diplomat is expelled without so much as an investigation.

    Israeli government forces are filmed murdering civilians.....not "accused" of or "suspected" of..actually FILMED and not so much as an admonishment.

    I guess I'm an anti-Semitic Putinbot for pointing this out.

    You see this is what the debate has become. A game. The defenders of US/NATO know that "their" guys are a duplicitous bunch of murderers. They just don't want to admit it. It would force them to do a bit of self exploration. Maybe even admit that they allowed themselves to be fooled for so long. And it's a lot easier to double down than to grow a pair and stand on one's own two feet.

    Hate America ✓
    It's all America fault✓
    Hate Israel✓
    Denial of anything russia✓
    Deflection of anything russia✓
    Deflection of anything assad✓
    Denial of anything assad✓

    Just another late night rant ✓

    He's not wring though.


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    #323
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,378 ✭ [Deleted User]


    smurgen wrote: »
    He's not wring though.

    Which is exactly why Gatling had to reply like that. Debating was impossible so defamation of character was used instead.


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    #324
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users Posts: 12,248 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Debate the points or log off.

    Which should be easy, but as you say, people are very factionalised.

    And the reality is, there are actually very few "points" that can be debated.

    The only information source for this attack is the jihadist group which has already agreed to leave the location and move north.

    There is no verification of any kind.... this is a fact.

    This jihadist group has claimed to be under chemical weapon attack repeatedly over the last couple of months.... this again, is a fact.

    People should be very aware and very concerned over the West's sudden rush for war based simply on the word of some defeated islamists.


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    #325
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    So someone attacked military base in Homs targeting apparently Iranian forces ,
    United states saying that they have not launched any attacks on Syria .
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    #326
    pitifulgod
    Registered Users Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭pitifulgod


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    Trump needs to be skeptical of his intelligence services. Bush and Obama were hoodwinked into pointless wars by their enemies within. Trump needs to be the guy that says NO. Set the precedent for the next president. Really Make America Great Again.

    Personally, I'd prefer for Trump not to engage in situations like this. The main reason, he's unreliable and dangerous. On the other hand, the world should not stand by as chemical weapons attacks occur.


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    #327
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users Posts: 12,248 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    Gatling wrote: »
    So someone attacked military base in Homs targeting apparently Iranian forces ,
    United states saying that they have not launched any attacks on Syria .

    The airfield in question is about halfway between Homs and Palmyra..... around 50kms from the Lebanon border.

    Reports say 14 casualties.

    Both the US & now France have denied involvement.
    Given its location, its right within range of the Israeli AF


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    #328
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    The airfield in question is about halfway between Homs and Palmyra..... around 50kms from the Lebanon border.

    Reports say 14 casualties.

    Both the US & now France have denied involvement.
    Given its location, its right within range of the Israeli AF

    That's what I was thinking ,
    It's the same base that they previously hit back in February if I'm correct
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    #329
    BoJack Horseman
    Registered Users Posts: 12,248 ✭✭✭✭BoJack Horseman


    Gatling wrote: »
    It's the same base that they previously hit bakc in February if I'm correct

    Yes, it has been hit before.

    And this just now....

    https://twitter.com/BarzanSadiq/status/983241229487009792


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    #330
    Angry bird
    Closed Accounts Posts: 808 ✭✭✭Angry bird


    An Israeli attack. It's a strange world where chemical attacks by jihadists on innocent civilians is used as an excuse by Israel, all to make Assad and co, enemy no. 1 again. Utterly disgusting.


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    #331
    RandomName2
    Registered Users Posts: 5,566 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    Chrongen wrote: »
    Can you explain how the Russians can determine who lives in the White House?

    Well it's not really related to the thread topic, but technically they can't. In practice, it's like it's always been: attempting to nudge events through use of propaganda. Take Russia Today, before the election all of its content was anti-Hilary Clinton, the day after the election it becomes anti-Trump. Fairly transparent.


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