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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,729 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Like I said it's a pragmatic management decision by RTE.

    Read the post.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,919 ✭✭✭gifted


    I see Michael Martin has had his say....got the jump on Leo.....political pressure might start to ramp up on her now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,095 ✭✭✭Tow


    Then Brendan Griffin asked Eimear Cusack about the cost of the backdated bogus Employee's rights (Holiday, Maternity, Pension Pay etc.), Cusack looked straight away at Bakhurst. Bakhurst then have a waffley answer. It was obvious they had prepared for this question beforehand and Bakhurst was to answer it. You can be sure the cost will run into may millions. It is at ~3:55 in the recording.


    Recording: https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/oireachtas-tv/video-archive/committees/8997

    When is the money (including lost growth) Michael Noonan took in the Pension Levy going to be paid back?



  • Administrators Posts: 54,091 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Richard Collins got the job.

    Making a role redundant means the role is no longer required. If you make your CFO redundant and then immediately hire another CFO then the role was clearly not made redundant.

    Redundancy payments are treated differently for tax purposes for the recipient, you can pay very little tax on them. Redundancy is a very specific thing with very specific rules.

    A golden handshake is very different to redundancy, certainly as far as tax is concerned. You and your employer can come to an agreement where you will leave and get x amount of money for it, but you can't call it redundancy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,736 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    How can a company make the CFO position redundant? This is one of the most important roles in a company any company and usually the CFO is the last to leave and turn out the lights when a company folds. This is just a farce.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,575 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Apologies I didn't realise if you repeat something and bold it, it becomes infallible and invalidates all other opinion.

    It's an extremely weird situation.

    Do I win?



  • Administrators Posts: 54,091 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Yea it's odd.

    It's unclear though if she actually got formal redundancy or it was just a golden handshake payment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,729 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Unfortunately not.

    Just read the post and stop putting your own spin on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    "It brings An Posts credibility into it too."

    An Post are good at their core business. Everything else they delve in is expensive & inefficient. For many years, there has been a fall off in households ignoring the licence and An Post have done feck all to chase it, despite that it's been their gig.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,095 ✭✭✭Tow


    Correct. Now RTE will be paying the extra Tax (whatever about the penalties and interest), however this payment itself has to be taxed. This can add an extra +60% to the cost.

    The Large Cases/Corporates Division will be no doubt be dealing with RTE. They tend to have more softly-softly approach than others, so RTE may get off the penalties and interest.

    When is the money (including lost growth) Michael Noonan took in the Pension Levy going to be paid back?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,575 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    It's your opinion lad, I'm entitled to mine. It's how discussion works.

    Although my opinion went nowhere near a literal government TD accused him of doing yesterday.

    Brendan Griffin, a Fine Gael TD, queried why RTÉ decided to pull advertising of the TV licence on channels outside its own platforms last July.

    “Ultimately I made the decision for a number of reasons,” Bakhurst said.

    “The main reason was because I thought that given what was emerging about RTÉ at that stage, and the constant scandal that was unfolding, I thought it would be inappropriate for us to be paying for adverts demanding people to pay the licence fee.”

    Griffin was highly critical of this decision, claiming it was a deliberate attempt by the board to get rid of the licence fee and collapse revenues.

    “Was this strategic? Is this part of hoping that the licence fee will ultimately fail and completely collapse and you’ll get what you were looking for,” the TD said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,575 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Indeed. I do believe we have the highest evasion rate in Europe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,729 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    So do you go along with Deputy Griffin's take on it ,in general, that there was an ulterior motive , I go with Backhursts take on it as a management decision.

    I don't see anything else pal.



  • Registered Users Posts: 811 ✭✭✭kazamo


    Bakhurst was also asked about contact with former FC.

    He said that O’Keefe wanted him to read out things on her behalf to the committee that she had prepared.

    He wasn’t willing to do that.

    Maybe he just got tired of people hiding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,397 ✭✭✭CH3OH


    Don't think Deidre O'Keeffe will be paying back the money any time soon..

    Kevin B indicated she left under the scheme and that there were "savings" made by 2 other employees leaving the department.

    But that begs the question .. what savings were made to get rid of these 2 people?

    I really think that there should be a fraud investigation to decide if D Forbes and D O' Keeffe concocted a scheme to allow DOK to leave with a huge severance package without complying with company policy.

    It seems crazy that only 2 people were involved in the decision to give DOK the package .. and one of them seems to be DOK

    Sick notes might not be so quickly accepted by the Gardai



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,968 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    Don't think it's redundancy be ause the position was not retired.

    RTE is dead in the water. What's the point In paying a licence fee ? How many of them would be needed to pay the back tax and penalties on 450K ???

    RTEis done. Toast.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,736 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    The cheek of O'Keefe to have her solicitors contact Backhurst to have him say things on her behalf. Fair play to Backhurst in telling her to make them herself as she has an invite to the hearing. Maybe that's why he blurted out her package, he is just sick of having to deal with the crap that these cowards created. O'Keefe must have a high opinion of herself doing what she did.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,992 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    You often hear white, middle aged men being blamed for a lot of the dodginess in this country.

    I give you ....





  • Registered Users Posts: 811 ✭✭✭kazamo


    No it won’t…..all the Politicans are jumping on this bandwagon to get their own sound bite in.

    Political grand standing at its best……and it stops the questions about issues that do impact us like housing, transport etc.


    If this was a former Sec General of a Department they would be trusting some process or other.

    “The investigation is ongoing and we wait for all the facts before making any further comment” 🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,784 ✭✭✭Karppi


    It seems to me that RTE is in terminal decline, and is actually accelerating its own demise. It is a biblical mess, there is so much wrong with its governance, management, its laissez-faire attitude to proper HR policies, procedures and processes, that you really have to regard it as the company from Hell. I feel very sorry for the people who do a decent job - in diabolical circumstances - and try to keep going. It's got to be a demoralising place to work.

    RTE is not "fixable". It's time to disassemble it, salvage the bits worth keeping, and cut the losses. Our losses, that is!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,736 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    I am surprised that the ordinary people that work in there are not out on strike or having work stoppages to show how angry they are. They should be out spitting bullets at these people and the unions should be up in arms as well at the carry on but not a word from them and no one has asked them their opinion. In one of the earlier PAC meetings there was a guy there that was suppose to represent the workers, was he there yesterday?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,575 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The net result is still the same.

    If what he did results in less people paying their licence fee, than the organisation will need more tax payer funding.

    Maybe you are happy to pay twice for it, I'm not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,589 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Why hasn't Dee Forbes been doorstepped by an RTE journalist like what you'd see on Prime Time.

    No one believes she's sick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,729 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    No,the result is not the same

    One results in what is a pragmatic management decision, that most sensible people can understand

    The other is some kind of conspiracy far fetched theory with alleging of ulterior motives from Backhurst.

    Even by RTE standards that’s far fetched.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,589 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Car crash with Catherine Martin on RTE Radio One.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,589 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    RTE executives will sleep grand once Catherine Martin is the minister.

    Completely out of her depth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,095 ✭✭✭Tow


    I don't know why she is on air, she has nothing to add.

    Edit: They are lining up Cusack for an exit package.

    When is the money (including lost growth) Michael Noonan took in the Pension Levy going to be paid back?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,736 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Probably told or advised that she needs to be seen, even if she does nothing, just be seen and act like you care. These Green Ministers are really not up to the job Ryan, O'Gorman and Martin are so out of their depth and FF and FG are delighted that they are just letting them hang themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,575 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    One results in what is a pragmatic management decision

    It's not pragmatic to indulge in a practice that may require a further tax payers bailout.

    Repeating it constantly won't make it so either.

    It was at best a weird decision, but in reality it's further evidence of continuing incompetence. Maybe the government TD is right in his assertions, he would have access to more information than both of us.

    Given we have the highest evasion rate in Europe, the DG would be much better focusing his attention on how that can be improved as the current methods and massive costs associated with it are clearly not working.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,597 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Catherine Martin has been incredibly poor throughout this scandal. What has she actually done? What have any of the cabinet done? FFG condone fraud and corruption yet again through inaction.

    Niamh Smyth has achieved 100 times more than Martin in a few hours.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,575 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    I do believe she has a large drive way and electric gate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,736 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    She has been playing hide and seek for most of it. An absolutely pathetic Minister.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,597 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Coveney must have had huge power and influence in RTE to be able to steamroll a pet project with no governance.

    As director of Strategy, he must have been very useful to his brother in FG.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,729 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    You are veering off the point , my friend.

    Any CE worth his/her salt would make the decision to pull specific advertising when the bad publicity arose .

    That wasn’t a “weird “ decision, far from it, it was a standard pragmatic decision that management would make.

    Anything else is pure supposition, and conspiracy theory stuff, and speculation.

    That’s all I’m interested in……over!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,262 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    It seems to me that potentially Dee and Breda didn't get on too well, but to say that is strange because Dee always had an exit date of either 2021 or 2023, its a medium term job, and they had to get to 2020 before she left, are you that desperate to leave because you have animosity toward a colleague?

    I think the question "Where you afraid of Dee Forbes?" was a good one because it all doesn't make sense.

    This is why both Forbes and O'Keeffe need to explain themselves. (was Dee massively disliked by everyone?).

    As for removing people from their positions? Yes, it is difficult, I think you'd have to pay out severance pay.


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,594 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Sunday World visited her house down in Glandore. Were told to **** off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,575 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The "bad publicity" doesn't seem to be abating any time soon.

    So do we just forget about the legal obligation to inform people until Kevin decides to take his head out of the sand?

    And keep letting the tax payers shovel in cash for short falls this may cause?

    I'd rather not.

    "That’s all I’m interested in……over!"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,783 ✭✭✭Trampas


    Like all good reporters they went home because someone said so



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,970 ✭✭✭Deise Vu


    The 450k figure for O’Keeffe is a bit too round for my liking. Even under the fig leaf of a fake redundancy surely it should have been calculated at so many years service times relevant salary.

    Then is this figure gross or net? Even under redundancy legislation that level of payment will attract significant tax. Also does it include or exclude lump sum payments due under her pension (up to 1.5 times salary assuming RTÉ gives gold-plated public service style pensions. She only worked 18 years but I have seen public servants make top up payments that are laughably cheap. For example Enda and Micéal were able to keep their teacher’s pensions going full whack for a pittance in comparison to the benefits.

    I suppose the pension question will never be asked given the golden future awaiting the questioners too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    This information is being redacted, to stop more serious licence fee evasion.

    If Buckfast wants to restore any trust or credibility with the Irish public, there needs to be images of RTE staff walking out with their stuff in boxes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,729 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Let’s keep to the point of my post, my friend.

    That is that almost any CE would take the same option as Mr Backhurst took given the circumstances his company was in. That it’s not “weird’ .

    Everything else is supposition and nothing to do with my point.

    Has the ‘penny’ dropped yet , buddy?


    Over……..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,487 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Post edited by Boards.ie: Paul on

    Scrap the cap!



  • Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭redoctober


    "We need more women in top-paid jobs...."

    *gets coat*



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,260 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    When told he was under privlidge his legal concerns just evaporated...it's a wonder he did not burst out lauging with the relief and joy of shifting the spotlight to her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,338 ✭✭✭arctictree


    Never going to happen. Civil Service/Semi States do not do compulsory redundancies. Its all big payouts/early retirement/exit packages etc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,291 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    I worked for a US company here.

    A senior manager flew in to fix a problem. He fired anyone connected with the problem.... a whole team of people, let HR deal with the fallout afterwards.

    He went back to eating his sandwich with no emotions shown.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,594 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Well if they didn't open the door there wasn't much they could do. He said she wasn't there.

    Somewhat surprised that she hasn't been snapped out and about. Wouldn't be entirely surprised if she was out of the country tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,575 ✭✭✭✭Boggles




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,919 ✭✭✭gifted


    Never realised that.....one would wonder is this why the government has let this shite storm continue....obviously not of course.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,597 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    But what protection does being "under privilege here" at a Dail committee bring?

    When Bakhurst said 450k, there is an audible "Jesus" in the background. Probably from Dillon.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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