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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,066 ✭✭✭gifted


    Ive said it before.....they broke up FAS when it turned out they were a shower if chancers....why are they not doing the same with RTE?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,122 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Oh you can bet the whole system is rotten to the core. Sure just look at the latest D Hotel now closing its doors to become a refugee centre. Absolutely scandalous what is going on and yet anyone the exposes it it labelled a far right or some other character assassination is done. Those in power whether they are politicians, public servants or within that circle are riding us rotten and laughing at us.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Paul on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭kazamo


    Yes the country is full of it but can’t see Politicans going after local authorities unless forced into it. Local Authorities have had political “influence” on them in the past and digging that hornets nest might be a little close for comfort, no knowing what they would find out about party colleagues.

    I expect the RTE public humiliation hearings to continue for some time as you can’t buy that level of publicity for the members holding court.

    The sooner tv licence renewals falls off a cliff, the sooner Politicans will have to make a decision on RTE’s future funding. The 451k revelation might be the event to end the fence sitting in Dáil Éireann.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Paul on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    I thought it was very interesting the way he handled that question, because at first he approached it in the usual coached way deflecting to legal advice and holding back and then all of a sudden dropped the number. It wasn't exactly forensic questioning or force from Dillion that elicited the information either.

    It seemed like he had been pondering letting the committee know and that it was an "oh **** it I'm telling them this, it was ridiculous carry on". It may well have been a challenge to O'Keefe to take them on, to call her legal bluff.

    Coveneys package on the other hand was agreed by Bakhurst, so carries with it a good deal more political risk for him. It doesn't really wash that he could reveal one, but not the other but technically I guess they were different payments with one being the VES and the other a contract termination one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,102 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    I'd imagine the shenanigans at RTE are a drop in the ocean compared to what goes on in the HSE. But no-one is ever going to touch that, too many people involved, i'd imagine 50%+ of the country knows someone at a desk job within that behomoth, and if anything ever tries to get done, it will be shut down almost immediately by "bUt PeOpLe WiLl dIe....."



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,470 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Nothing weird about that.... its about not throwing petrol on a fire that was already raging.

    As a management decision it's pragmatic and sensible from an RTE standpoint.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,574 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The license fee is not optional if you have the qualifying equipment to decode a signal.

    Reminding people of their obligation under law is neither inappropriate or solely up to Bakhurst.

    He engaged in a practice that may cost us all money.

    It brings An Posts credibility into it too.

    The law hasn't changed because RTE management are incompetent. And it's not a point you can argue if do find yourself in court.

    It's an extremely weird situation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,595 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    as I have said before on here, really An Post should be running those ads.

    I don't think yesterdays performance will get people to buy the licence fee. Kevin B was almost word for word on the Dee Forbes interview with joe.ie on how they had to start impressing upon people the importance of RTÉ and the programming it delivers. And after that it was downhill for them.


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,595 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    yes they should be looking at all Semi-states in same way, RTÉ is just the tip of the iceberg. But RTÉ makes it look like they are doing their job.


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,799 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Yeah I did think it was odd too. It's clear he has no time for O'Keefe but I wonder too whether Kevin is looking at an exit as well. He seemed to just blurt the figure out as if he has given up. Perhaps he was calling her bluff.

    Coveney is a weasel and should be compelled to attend asap.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,470 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Like I said it's a pragmatic management decision by RTE.

    Read the post.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,066 ✭✭✭gifted


    I see Michael Martin has had his say....got the jump on Leo.....political pressure might start to ramp up on her now



  • Posts: 9,954 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Then Brendan Griffin asked Eimear Cusack about the cost of the backdated bogus Employee's rights (Holiday, Maternity, Pension Pay etc.), Cusack looked straight away at Bakhurst. Bakhurst then have a waffley answer. It was obvious they had prepared for this question beforehand and Bakhurst was to answer it. You can be sure the cost will run into may millions. It is at ~3:55 in the recording.

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    Recording: https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/oireachtas-tv/video-archive/committees/8997



  • Administrators Posts: 55,210 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Richard Collins got the job.

    Making a role redundant means the role is no longer required. If you make your CFO redundant and then immediately hire another CFO then the role was clearly not made redundant.

    Redundancy payments are treated differently for tax purposes for the recipient, you can pay very little tax on them. Redundancy is a very specific thing with very specific rules.

    A golden handshake is very different to redundancy, certainly as far as tax is concerned. You and your employer can come to an agreement where you will leave and get x amount of money for it, but you can't call it redundancy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,122 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    How can a company make the CFO position redundant? This is one of the most important roles in a company any company and usually the CFO is the last to leave and turn out the lights when a company folds. This is just a farce.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,574 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Apologies I didn't realise if you repeat something and bold it, it becomes infallible and invalidates all other opinion.

    It's an extremely weird situation.

    Do I win?



  • Administrators Posts: 55,210 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    Yea it's odd.

    It's unclear though if she actually got formal redundancy or it was just a golden handshake payment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,470 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Unfortunately not.

    Just read the post and stop putting your own spin on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    "It brings An Posts credibility into it too."

    An Post are good at their core business. Everything else they delve in is expensive & inefficient. For many years, there has been a fall off in households ignoring the licence and An Post have done feck all to chase it, despite that it's been their gig.



  • Posts: 9,954 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Correct. Now RTE will be paying the extra Tax (whatever about the penalties and interest), however this payment itself has to be taxed. This can add an extra +60% to the cost.

    The Large Cases/Corporates Division will be no doubt be dealing with RTE. They tend to have more softly-softly approach than others, so RTE may get off the penalties and interest.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,574 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    It's your opinion lad, I'm entitled to mine. It's how discussion works.

    Although my opinion went nowhere near a literal government TD accused him of doing yesterday.

    Brendan Griffin, a Fine Gael TD, queried why RTÉ decided to pull advertising of the TV licence on channels outside its own platforms last July.

    “Ultimately I made the decision for a number of reasons,” Bakhurst said.

    “The main reason was because I thought that given what was emerging about RTÉ at that stage, and the constant scandal that was unfolding, I thought it would be inappropriate for us to be paying for adverts demanding people to pay the licence fee.”

    Griffin was highly critical of this decision, claiming it was a deliberate attempt by the board to get rid of the licence fee and collapse revenues.

    “Was this strategic? Is this part of hoping that the licence fee will ultimately fail and completely collapse and you’ll get what you were looking for,” the TD said.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,574 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Indeed. I do believe we have the highest evasion rate in Europe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,470 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    So do you go along with Deputy Griffin's take on it ,in general, that there was an ulterior motive , I go with Backhursts take on it as a management decision.

    I don't see anything else pal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭kazamo


    Bakhurst was also asked about contact with former FC.

    He said that O’Keefe wanted him to read out things on her behalf to the committee that she had prepared.

    He wasn’t willing to do that.

    Maybe he just got tired of people hiding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,933 ✭✭✭CH3OH


    Don't think Deidre O'Keeffe will be paying back the money any time soon..

    Kevin B indicated she left under the scheme and that there were "savings" made by 2 other employees leaving the department.

    But that begs the question .. what savings were made to get rid of these 2 people?

    I really think that there should be a fraud investigation to decide if D Forbes and D O' Keeffe concocted a scheme to allow DOK to leave with a huge severance package without complying with company policy.

    It seems crazy that only 2 people were involved in the decision to give DOK the package .. and one of them seems to be DOK

    Sick notes might not be so quickly accepted by the Gardai



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,243 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    Don't think it's redundancy be ause the position was not retired.

    RTE is dead in the water. What's the point In paying a licence fee ? How many of them would be needed to pay the back tax and penalties on 450K ???

    RTEis done. Toast.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,122 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    The cheek of O'Keefe to have her solicitors contact Backhurst to have him say things on her behalf. Fair play to Backhurst in telling her to make them herself as she has an invite to the hearing. Maybe that's why he blurted out her package, he is just sick of having to deal with the crap that these cowards created. O'Keefe must have a high opinion of herself doing what she did.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,623 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    You often hear white, middle aged men being blamed for a lot of the dodginess in this country.

    I give you ....


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭kazamo


    No it won’t…..all the Politicans are jumping on this bandwagon to get their own sound bite in.

    Political grand standing at its best……and it stops the questions about issues that do impact us like housing, transport etc.


    If this was a former Sec General of a Department they would be trusting some process or other.

    “The investigation is ongoing and we wait for all the facts before making any further comment” 🤔



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭Karppi


    It seems to me that RTE is in terminal decline, and is actually accelerating its own demise. It is a biblical mess, there is so much wrong with its governance, management, its laissez-faire attitude to proper HR policies, procedures and processes, that you really have to regard it as the company from Hell. I feel very sorry for the people who do a decent job - in diabolical circumstances - and try to keep going. It's got to be a demoralising place to work.

    RTE is not "fixable". It's time to disassemble it, salvage the bits worth keeping, and cut the losses. Our losses, that is!



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