Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

elperello

elperello wrote: »

How would RTE TV manage to cover sport and special events like for instance elections without disrupting regular programming if there was no second channel?

Does RTE Network 2 need to cover sporting events? If the demand is there a commerical broadcaster can cover them.
Political events if important enough should be carried on RTE1 which I believe is where they are usually carried adn the News Channel was still there on the EPG the last time I flicked through channels which I admit was quite a few months ago.

Kivaro

elperello wrote: »

How would RTE TV manage to cover sport and special events like for instance elections without disrupting regular programming if there was no second channel?

We can only hope that it would interrupt regular programming, because their regular programming is terrible.

elperello

Deleted User wrote: »

Does RTE Network 2 need to cover sporting events? If the demand is there a commerical broadcaster can cover them.
Political events if important enough should be carried on RTE1 which I believe is where they are usually carried adn the News Channel was still there on the EPG the last time I flicked through channels which I admit was quite a few months ago.

Kivaro wrote: »

We can only hope that it would interrupt regular programming, because their regular programming is terrible.

Thanks for the replies but I remain to be convinced that selling off/closing down RTE 2 TV channel is a good idea.

I suspect that you are very much in the minority and aren't one to take the hard decisions that need to be taken.

Elmo

If the sale of RTÉ2 includes Champions League RTÉ ONE would have very little that would disturb its schedule, RTÉ's own 2024 strategy suggests moving all major sporting events to RTÉ ONE.

For news and current affairs RTÉ have RTÉ News.

Hotblack Desiato

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Adding RTE+1 and RTE2+2 was crazy when they had the Player, BBC have no +1 channels. It must be their own admition that the Player is pure unfit for purpose trash.

Costs nothing and brings in a little extra advertising revenue. The "space" it uses up on Saorview has to be paid for anyway and would otherwise be broadcasting testcards or binary zeroes.

goose2005

Deleted User wrote: »

They'd have paid based on a scale associated with the size of their potential audience.
It isn't public service broadscasting so they should not be buying it but bought it to prevent the commercial broadcasters taking it.
it is the sort of thing they do(or I remember them doing) like buying primetime US series and burning them off during the night after primetime just to stop the commercial stations getting a hold on them and using them as a base around which to build an evening's programming.

sometimes it was also as a "package", like if they want "Grey's Anatomy" they have to buy it in a bundle with a load of other shows that they don't really want.

goose2005

Elmo wrote: »

This is my take on American, English and Austrailian imports:-

1. RTÉ buy in too many hours for 2.5 channels (I include RTÉjr)
2. RTÉ have never cut their spend on imports, even though they stated they would examine all costs.
3. While cheaper to buy in the 25m spend does actually provide value
4. As pointed out most will appear in late night hours of RTÉ2 and RTÉONE or on the Player with little or no promotion.
5. RTÉ believe that they have to fill their schedules (Willie O'Reilly Twitter account) and the only way to do this is to buy in imports.
6. However those imports could produce 2 extra channels and be repeated late night or even give RTÉ2 and ONE a 100% repeat free prime time.
7. Take TG4 while heavy on repeats possibly as heavy as RTÉ2, yet it is able to spend a fraction of RTÉ2's spend on imports (this includes all of the animation which it dubs into Irish), and fill its schedule as well as RTÉ do.

Also RTE don't import anything except from the UK and US. Every movie is from Hollywood, there is no effort to reach a little wider, I think people would tolerate subtitles.

expectationlost

goose2005 wrote: »

sometimes it was also as a "package", like if they want "Grey's Anatomy" they have to buy it in a bundle with a load of other shows that they don't really want.

why would this be part of a package? Its a one off, Oprah isn't a show anymore...

elperello

Deleted User wrote: »

I suspect that you are very much in the minority and aren't one to take the hard decisions that need to be taken.

I might well be in a minority but I'm ok with that.

Thank heavens neither you or I will have to take "the hard decisions".

SPDUB

Elmo wrote: »

They should have asked to add RTÉ PLUS when the asked to let RTÉ ONE +1 got 24 hours and for the addition of RTÉ2+1. I don't really understand why they didn't ask for RTÉ2+1 to be 24 hours

Why apply for things you are not not going to be given .

The Government has indicated with the total lack of a response to RTE's proposal to move kid's programmes off RTE2 that there is some things it's pointless asking for

political analyst

Deleted User wrote: »

Does RTE Network 2 need to cover sporting events? If the demand is there a commerical broadcaster can cover them.
Political events if important enough should be carried on RTE1 which I believe is where they are usually carried adn the News Channel was still there on the EPG the last time I flicked through channels which I admit was quite a few months ago.

Yes.

If a Gaelic match that could run into extra time was shown on RTÉ 1 on a weekend afternoon and it did go into extra time, then Six-One would run late - can you imagine the outcry that would cause?

Furthermore, the RTÉ News channel is useful for sporting events to which RTÉ has the rights but couldn't broadcast in the analogue era due to other sporting events being shown at the same time. Some Gaelic matches have been broadcast on the news channel because of conflict of schedules.

For Euro and World Cup matches, the news channel has also been useful when two matches are played at the same time.

Besides, getting rid of RTÉ 2 would leave viewers who are solely reliant on Saorview in areas that don't receive terrestrial overspill from Britain or from NI with even less choice than they currently have.

political analyst

Elmo wrote: »

If the sale of RTÉ2 includes Champions League RTÉ ONE would have very little that would disturb its schedule, RTÉ's own 2024 strategy suggests moving all major sporting events to RTÉ ONE.

For news and current affairs RTÉ have RTÉ News.

RTÉ still has to have news bulletins on its main channel. As far as I know, Six-One has never run late - why let it happen now or in the future?

Elmo

SPDUB wrote: »

The Government has indicated with the total lack of a response to RTE's proposal to move kid's programmes off RTE2 that there is some things it's pointless asking for

RTÉ applied for the move of RTÉjr from RTÉ2, the minister of the day refused to make a decision, he was asked 3 times when he would make a decision and he said soon and on the last occasion he said please see his last response, that was 3 months between each question, that was Pat Rabbitte, then Alex White took over the position the question was asked of him again and he advised that RTÉ had Withdrawn that proposal, no reason given. The government did drag their feet alright but RTE also withdrew the proposal after the BAI had carried out the required SIA. (The government should have made a decision on this proposal). Since then RTÉ have applied for Oireachtas TV on Saorview and the extension of RTÉ +1 and the addition of RTÉ2+1 on a part-time basis. Both of which the government agreed to.

Elmo

elperello and political analyst

RTÉ 2024 strategy states

"We will move RTÉ's biggest sporting moments to RTÉ ONE"

Now while this does not mean the full suite of sporting event it does mean

Any Irish Rugby or Soccer Match
The Semi-finals and Finals of the GAA Championships

Meanwhile if RTÉ2 was to be sold it would be sold with sporting events, perhaps this would just cover an agreement from the new owners to take any GAA games that might cause disruption to RTÉ ONE's schedule along with sports like UEFA Champions League which RTÉ are not planning to move over to RTÉ ONE.

You also seem to think that RTÉ should own all of the sporting rights that they currently own.

Elmo

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Costs nothing and brings in a little extra advertising revenue. The "space" it uses up on Saorview has to be paid for anyway and would otherwise be broadcasting testcards or binary zeroes.

I would slightly disagree with you here, as neither channel has added to RTÉ ONE or RTÉ2 audience share.

It would make more sence to have RTÉ3 and RTÉ4.

They would consist of the shows RTÉ1 and RTÉ2 air after 12 on the same schedule, if you like RTÉ 1+18 and RTÉ2 +18. while both channels can air RTÉ one's and TWO's prime-time schedules and night.

Should RTÉ have to sell RTÉ2 well... that solves the sporting problem above .... using RTÉ 1+1 for live sport imagine! (I believe that was the original plan in anycase).

Hotblack Desiato

goose2005 wrote: »

Also RTE don't import anything except from the UK and US. Every movie is from Hollywood, there is no effort to reach a little wider, I think people would tolerate subtitles.

Especially if the content was a little raunchy... ;);)

Hotblack Desiato

political analyst wrote: »

Yes.

If a Gaelic match that could run into extra time was shown on RTÉ 1 on a weekend afternoon and it did go into extra time, then Six-One would run late - can you imagine the outcry that would cause?

They might have to get the ref to stall the ball so they can broadcast the Angelus :pac:

Besides, getting rid of RTÉ 2 would leave viewers who are solely reliant on Saorview in areas that don't receive terrestrial overspill from Britain or from NI with even less choice than they currently have.

The proposal isn't to get rid of RTE2, it's to sell it off so someone else can make a go of it (Network 2, anyone?) instead of the dire embarrassment it is now.

Hotblack Desiato

Elmo wrote: »

I would slightly disagree with you here, as neither channel has added to RTÉ ONE or RTÉ2 audience share.

Well you're wrong there because I watched it yesterday, so that's at least one viewer

It would make more sence to have RTÉ3 and RTÉ4.

They can't properly fill the schedule on RTE1 and 2 as it is without a lot of repeats.

The J Stands for Jay

goose2005 wrote: »

Also RTE don't import anything except from the UK and US. Every movie is from Hollywood, there is no effort to reach a little wider, I think people would tolerate subtitles.

I think they would. Netflix are showing a Lupin, a French language series, as being in their top 10 in Ireland.

Elmo

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Well you're wrong there because I watched it yesterday, so that's at least one viewer



They can't properly fill the schedule on RTE1 and 2 as it is without a lot of repeats.

With the exception of RTÉ ONE in 2020 their plus 1services just take an audience from the main channel.

RTÉ3 would air RTÉ2's late night programs from 7pm followed by RTÉ2 from six that day

7pm Peaky Blinders
8pm Bachelors Walk
9pm NCIS: New Orleans
10pm Prodigal Son
11pm Neighbours
11:30 Home and Away
12am Mountains - Life Beyond the Clouds
1am The Hunt
2am Fleabag

Same for RTÉ4 but with RTÉ1
7pm The Week in Politics
8pm The Tommy Tiernan Show
9pm Mrs America
10pm Troy: Fall of a City
11pm Call the Midwife
12am Nationwide
12:30 My Tribe - Mo Threibh
1am EastEnders
1:30 Grow, Cook, Eat
Repeat, HD
2am RTÉ News: Nine O'Clock and Weather
2:35 Claire Byrne Live
3:35 The Confessors

Obviously you schedule your late nights to suit 7pm so peaky blinders would end up on 3 at 9pm

Skyfloater

McGaggs wrote: »

I think they would. Netflix are showing a Lupin, a French language series, as being in their top 10 in Ireland.

You can add "Call my agent" to that, it's very good.

elperello

Elmo wrote: »

elperello and political analyst

RTÉ 2024 strategy states

"We will move RTÉ's biggest sporting moments to RTÉ ONE"

Now while this does not mean the full suite of sporting event it does mean

Any Irish Rugby or Soccer Match
The Semi-finals and Finals of the GAA Championships

Meanwhile if RTÉ2 was to be sold it would be sold with sporting events, perhaps this would just cover an agreement from the new owners to take any GAA games that might cause disruption to RTÉ ONE's schedule along with sports like UEFA Champions League which RTÉ are not planning to move over to RTÉ ONE.

You also seem to think that RTÉ should own all of the sporting rights that they currently own.

So you reckon the big audience events should be on RTE 1 which makes sense but why not continue to have an alternative schedule on RTE 2?

How much do you think RTE 2 would raise in a sale?

I don't think sporting rights are set in stone. RTE may lose some and gain others according to the market.

For instance if Formula 1 goes back to FTA when the Sky deal ends RTE could be in the running.

Overall I still think it would be a mistake to restrict RTE to only one full schedule channel.

Elmo

elperello wrote: »

So you reckon the big audience events should be on RTE 1 which makes sense but why not continue to have an alternative schedule on RTE 2?

Do you think it makes sense because RTÉ have made this decision. I would look at it more like this, RTÉ2 without sports flounders, removing Big Sporting Events from the channel would diminish their audience even further.

RTÉ could have an alternative schedule on RTÉ News.

How much do you think RTE 2 would raise in a sale?

The sale would also include RTÉ2+1, 2FM and the extra digital stations 2XM, Pulse and Gold. Based on the value given to TV3, UTV Ireland and Communicorp Stations, I would suggested around €80 to €100million. Though this wouldn't be a reason for selling the stations.

overall I still think it would be a mistake to restrict RTE to only one full schedule channel.

RTÉ is not restricted to one full channel schedule, it has RTÉ News and RTÉ ONE +1, and as I have already pointed out RTÉ ONE +1 does not need to be a full plus one service. Here is another idea for the 3 channels

RTÉ ONE as is
RTÉ ONE +1 to become RTÉ plus (with no News programming, vast majority of programmes an hour later from RTÉ)
RTÉ News to take RTÉ ONE news programming an hour later with alternative news programming at 6 and at 9, e.g. international News or sports news or Entertainment news.

elperello

Elmo wrote: »

Do you think it makes sense because RTÉ have made this decision. I would look at it more like this, RTÉ2 without sports flounders, removing Big Sporting Events from the channel would diminish their audience even further.

RTÉ could have an alternative schedule on RTÉ News.



The sale would also include RTÉ2+1, 2FM and the extra digital stations 2XM, Pulse and Gold. Based on the value given to TV3, UTV Ireland and Communicorp Stations, I would suggested around €80 to €100million. Though this wouldn't be a reason for selling the stations.



RTÉ is not restricted to one full channel schedule, it has RTÉ News and RTÉ ONE +1, and as I have already pointed out RTÉ ONE +1 does not need to be a full plus one service. Here is another idea for the 3 channels

RTÉ ONE as is
RTÉ ONE +1 to become RTÉ plus (with no News programming, vast majority of programmes an hour later from RTÉ)
RTÉ News to take RTÉ ONE news programming an hour later with alternative news programming at 6 and at 9, e.g. international News or sports news or Entertainment news.

I thought maybe something like an All Ireland might be upgraded to RTE 1 and cover regular programming on RTE 2. I don't really mind if they do it the other way.
If you try to run schedule on News it won't ne News any more.

That's a lot of money. I didn't know it would be worth that.

Again, if you change the remit of +1 and News one of them or both will become de-facto RTE 2. The schedules would have to be published and advertised in advance like RTE 2.

As I said before I'd be slow to part with RTE 2 but I can see how the chance of a windfall of 80-100 k would be attractive.

Elmo

elperello wrote: »

As I said before I'd be slow to part with RTE 2 but I can see how the chance of a windfall of 80-100 k would be attractive.

I wouldn't be selling it for the mulla. Personally as I have said I would make RTÉ2 and 2fm an independent broadcaster like Channel 4, should the government want to divest itself of the broadcaster that would be up to them. In any case some of the debt that RTÉ would have to move with the new broadcaster also, which would be far more attractive than the pay out.

I thought maybe something like an All Ireland might be upgraded to RTE 1 and cover regular programming on RTE 2.

If RTÉ does move the big sporting events to RTÉ1 you can be guaranteed that they will be very little on RTÉ2 during those game.

I don't really mind if they do it the other way.
If you try to run schedule on News it won't ne News any more.

It has no schedule it is not a news channel. RTÉ news should repeat Sport analysis programmes, it should have arts and culture news. They have at last started repeating Nuacht TG4. It should air BBC Horizon, along with BBC Newsline.

StevenToast

So RTE have been employing a Jimmy Saville for years......

Elmo

Eoghan McDermott has left the building!

RabbleRouser2k

As long as they don't get Ciara Kelly to replace him.

She's some reprehensible scumbag.

Elmo

Well Oprah had an audience of 725,000 views or 50% of the audience watching TV.

Few mentioning that RTÉ2 doesn't usually have news and current affairs.

I suppose this is why they have RTÉ2 for things like this.