Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee poll not working - pl ignore

retalivity · 17-11-2019 10:58pm

Sure why would she go anywhere? She's getting 250k+ a year to run a company into the ground with no requirement for oversight or checks and balances. And the 2 photos in that article are like an after and a before for photoshop.

fritzelly · 17-11-2019 11:08pm

retalivity wrote: »

And the 2 photos in that article are like an after and a before for photoshop.

Hahaha never noticed that

The Late Late Show · 19-11-2019 7:49am

The salaries of the presenters and sending off countless people to events like the Eurovision have been touted many times as wastes of money in RTE. What is less mentioned are a lot of the crappy programmes made. These when considered alone are cheap to make and give RTE fodder they can repeat over and over. Taken as a whole, they are very expensive. The likes of Pulling With My Parents, Wingman, Room To Improve and Fertility Shock are some recent examples. There have been countless one off shows with the likes of Francis Brennan, Keith Barry, Dermot Bannon, etc. too and I am sure NONE of these presenters come cheap either. When taken together, all these add up and add up to a lot of money wasted.

Money was also wasted on expensive but ultimately poor dramas like Rebellion and Taken Down. When compared to what others were making during the same time such as Peaky Blinders, The Handmaid's Tale, Better Call Saul. Killing Eve and Game of Thrones, these simply were not up to scratch. RTE's poor dramas have been put on DVD but how many have purchased their copies of Rebellion, Taken Down or Striking Out I wonder? All this waste of money is why RTE are where they are.

AndyBoBandy · 19-11-2019 8:24am

Well the paintings are going under the hammer today in London!!

Any bets what they’ll get? Anywhere between €300-€600k? Higher? Lower?

gordongekko · 19-11-2019 8:48am

The Late Late Show wrote: »

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Money was also wasted on expensive but ultimately poor dramas like Rebellion and Taken Down. When compared to what others were making during the same time such as Peaky Blinders, The Handmaid's Tale, Better Call Saul. Killing Eve and Game of Thrones, these simply were not up to scratch. RTE's poor dramas have been put on DVD but how many have purchased their copies of Rebellion, Taken Down or Striking Out I wonder? All this waste of money is why RTE are where they are.

The budget of one episode of the non rte dramas mentioned above would be many multiple of the total budget for all eyes yearly drama budget

Elmo · 19-11-2019 9:37am

gordongekko wrote: »

The budget of one episode of the non rte dramas mentioned above would be many multiple of the total budget for all eyes yearly drama budget

Yeah it is crazy to expect the highest of quality drama from any producer. Plenty of mediocrity coming during that time from the America and England that don't have a patch on Rebellion and Taken Down.

Peaky Blinders, The Handmaid's Tale, Better Call Saul. Killing Eve and Game of Thrones

I was dissapointed by Better Call Saul. I never got into Game of Thrones. Peaky Blinders looks good but yet to get to it fully, The Handmaid's Tale wouldn't be for me, nor would Killing Eve.

Not saying I was watching Grey's Anatomy or any Shaundaland rubbish, watched the first episode of The Good Doctor and thought good god. The DC set of comedy dramas from the CW, badly acted, badly written and often not funny. All being produced on the budget that RTÉ give to Drama.

The issue is that RTÉ aren't producing as many Drama as they once where, RTÉ have gone from spending 40m on drama in the 2000s to 25m on drama in the 2010s.

RabbleRouser2k · 19-11-2019 10:18am

Elmo wrote: »

Yeah it is crazy to expect the highest of quality drama from any producer. Plenty of mediocrity coming during that time from the America and England that don't have a patch on Rebellion and Taken Down.

I was dissapointed by Better Call Saul. I never got into Game of Thrones. Peaky Blinders looks good but yet to get to it fully, The Handmaid's Tale wouldn't be for me, nor would Killing Eve.

Not saying I was watching Grey's Anatomy or any Shaundaland rubbish, watched the first episode of The Good Doctor and thought good god. The DC set of comedy dramas from the CW, badly acted, badly written and often not funny. All being produced on the budget that RTÉ give to Drama.

The issue is that RTÉ aren't producing as many Drama as they once where, RTÉ have gone from spending 40m on drama in the 2000s to 25m on drama in the 2010s.

I never got into Breaking Bad, or BCS. Just stopped watching a lot of TV, tbh. Game of Thrones started to dip around Season 5, the rest was poor, and then the final season killed it. Handmaid's Tale should have ended after one season-once they tried to 'add' to the book, it was ridiculous.

Yeah, the Shondaland shows are soap operas with a bigger budget-I miss the days of medical dramas where you spent the majority of the show in the hospital, but got the best damn drama out of it. (ER for example. Even All Saints, that New Zealand or Australian medical drama).
I find the likes of Grey's Anatomy a slog to get through-and that's just one episode.

Jesus-have they really cut down that much? And you know that 25 million in 2010's money won't go as far as 25 million in 2000's would have. Probably have tighter shooting schedules too-because if the budget is smaller, they'll probably have to have everything done a lot quicker.

Marcos · 19-11-2019 11:53am

The Late Late Show wrote: »

The salaries of the presenters and sending off countless people to events like the Eurovision have been touted many times as wastes of money in RTE. What is less mentioned are a lot of the crappy programmes made. These when considered alone are cheap to make and give RTE fodder they can repeat over and over. Taken as a whole, they are very expensive. The likes of Pulling With My Parents, Wingman, Room To Improve and Fertility Shock are some recent examples. There have been countless one off shows with the likes of Francis Brennan, Keith Barry, Dermot Bannon, etc. too and I am sure NONE of these presenters come cheap either. When taken together, all these add up and add up to a lot of money wasted.

Well take a look at all the talent represented by NK management and see how many of them appear on RTE regularly. I bet even the ones that don't have their own programmes appear on the likes of the Late Late etc.

Elmo · 19-11-2019 12:13pm

Marcos wrote: »

Well take a look at all the talent represented by NK management and see how many of them appear on RTE regularly. I bet even the ones that don't have their own programmes appear on the likes of the Late Late etc.

I just don't know what it is, I think its Ryan Tuberity. That An Post Book awards ad, we're all a bit of a novel .... oh **** off.

James Brown · 19-11-2019 3:14pm

gordongekko wrote: »

The budget of one episode of the non rte dramas mentioned above would be many multiple of the total budget for all eyes yearly drama budget

Fair point, but Better call Saul is as basic as you can get for a drama. An office, some locations. We could recreate something similar for cheap enough.

James Brown · 19-11-2019 3:17pm

Marcos wrote: »

Well take a look at all the talent represented by NK management and see how many of them appear on RTE regularly. I bet even the ones that don't have their own programmes appear on the likes of the Late Late etc.

I'm very sure when Lottie Ryan caught her 'break' this was a major factor.
It's how these big agencies work. Give such and such a spot and I'll send over the other fella. Sad thing is this is a monopoly of the mundane keeping out any unknown, unconnected talent.

Elmo · 19-11-2019 3:23pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Fair point, but Better call Saul is as basic as you can get for a drama. An office, some locations. We could recreate something similar for cheap enough.

never understood RTÉ's opposition to an Irish version of something like Law & Order. Your talking Murder scene, interrogation room, office, court room.

James Brown · 19-11-2019 3:25pm

Elmo wrote: »

never understood RTÉ's opposition to an Irish version of something like Law & Order. Your talking Murder scene, interrogation room, office, court room.

They don't have the talent in house and would rather do something else than bring in outsiders. I've had dealings with one of their Drama commissioners. It can be a total one person vetting process, that's if you've an in to be vetted in the first place. Like most RTE folk their credentials consist of having gotten a job in RTE.

Banzai600 · 19-11-2019 3:43pm

Marcos wrote: »

Well take a look at all the talent represented by NK management and see how many of them appear on RTE regularly. I bet even the ones that don't have their own programes appear on the likes of the Late Late etc.

this is kinda what ive been banging on about for years - the same overpaid faces, or so called "it" ppl, same old shows, junk reality irish tv etc and chat shows. merry go round.

RTE its a closed shop and guaranteed earner for socialites and their entourage . its noting but repugnant, sloth type money waste, we dont need rte, full stop mo.

ShamNNspace · 19-11-2019 5:23pm

Elmo wrote: »

never understood RTÉ's opposition to an Irish version of something like Law & Order. Your talking Murder scene, interrogation room, office, court room.

Or what about something like midsummer murders, Vera, Lewis or endeavour or doc Martin.

AndyBoBandy · 19-11-2019 10:14pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Well the paintings are going under the hammer today in London!!

Any bets what they’ll get? Anywhere between €300-€600k? Higher? Lower?

they got €195k in total.

2 of the paintings didn't even sell

VinLieger · 20-11-2019 12:05pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

they got €195k in total.

2 of the paintings didn't even sell

Says it all really about whats wrong with RTE

elperello · 20-11-2019 1:52pm

VinLieger wrote: »

Says it all really about whats wrong with RTE

I am glad they didn't sell because I don't believe selling things off is the answer to their problems.

jelutong · 20-11-2019 2:05pm

They could always put Joe,Tubs and Ray on the transfer market. That would bring in a tidy penny.

facehugger99 · 20-11-2019 2:08pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

they got €195k in total.

So enough to almost pay 7 months of Dee Forbes salary and allowances.

What a fcuking joke of an organisation.

Elmo · 20-11-2019 2:32pm

facehugger99 wrote: »

So enough to almost pay 7 months of Dee Forbes salary and allowances.

What a fcuking joke of an organisation.

And allowance pish awh more like 5 months and a half.

Weepsie · 20-11-2019 2:36pm

If a show is well written (like BCS) it doesn't have to be expensive . RTE keep commission badly written shows though and keep commissioning shows by the same bad writers.

Amy Huberman, Alison Spittle and a few others are nicking a living through rte.

sligojoek · 20-11-2019 2:44pm

Weepsie wrote: »

If a show is well written (like BCS) it doesn't have to be expensive . RTE keep commission badly written shows though and keep commissioning shows by the same bad writers.

Amy Huberman, Alison Spittle and a few others are nicking a living through rte.

RTE have given both of them more than a good leg up. If they can't make it in the real world by now they should give up.

James Brown · 20-11-2019 2:53pm

I know of with a producer on TG4. He use to write, produce and direct his own show, (might still do). There was no oversight. He literally had his own tax payer funded hobby. Again his only credentials were he had gotten a job in RTE.

Elmo · 20-11-2019 3:17pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

I know of with a producer on TG4. He use to write, produce and direct his own show, (might still do). There was no oversight. He literally had his own tax payer funded hobby. Again his only credentials were he had gotten a job in RTE.

I assume its their Comhra programme? Otherwise all most everything is Independently produced for TG4, with the exception of RTÉ's programmes on the channel such as An Nuacht.

elperello · 20-11-2019 3:35pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

I know of with a producer on TG4. He use to write, produce and direct his own show, (might still do). There was no oversight. He literally had his own tax payer funded hobby. Again his only credentials were he had gotten a job in RTE.

Was it good content?

James Brown · 20-11-2019 4:51pm

elperello wrote: »

Was it good content?

It was not. It was an Irish language sketch show. I forget the name. Many years ago. I mean we'd all have heard of it if it were any good.

Elmo · 20-11-2019 5:07pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

It was not. It was an Irish language sketch show. I forget the name. Many years ago. I mean we'd all have heard of it if it were any good.

RíRá? not really a sketch show. I need to know lol.

Anyway Tubs won't be found wanting, his audience will on the other hand, suppose when a 15% cut means you have to live of 420,000 per year you wouldn't want to be found wanting!

Scott Tenorman · 20-11-2019 5:20pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

they got €195k in total.

2 of the paintings didn't even sell

Why has no-one asked them why the hell they are collecting art in the first place? How is that within their public service remit? :mad:

Elmo · 20-11-2019 5:33pm

Scott Tenorman wrote: »

Why has no-one asked them why the hell they are collecting art in the first place? How is that within their public service remit? :mad:

All public buildings have to provide 1% of their cost to Art.

https://www.thejournal.ie/central-bank-approves-sculpture-4799737-Sep2019/

In line with planning requirements, the Central Bank agreed with Dublin City Council to commission an artwork for the public space directly outside the campus on North Wall Quay.

Following submissions through an invited competition, and subsequent procurement process, it was decided to commission a sculpture by the artist Eva Rothschild entitled ‘A Double Rainbow’. Planning permission for this artwork was submitted to Dublin City Council on 2 May 2019.

The artist’s fee will come to €70,000 and design and build costs will come to approx. €250,000. Ms Rothschild currently represents Ireland at the 58th Venice Art Biennale.

https://www.centralbank.ie/images/default-source/about/docklands-campus/public-art-testimonial-756x292px.jpg?sfvrsn=4

If I was a conspiracy theorist on that commission from the central bank of Ireland to an artist named Rothchild. :eek:

James Brown · 20-11-2019 6:09pm

Elmo wrote: »

RíRá? not really a sketch show. I need to know lol.

Anyway Tubs won't be found wanting, his audience will on the other hand, suppose when a 15% cut means you have to live of 420,000 per year you wouldn't want to be found wanting!

The ones listed on Wiki only cover the 2000's.

No fear lads and lassies...

RTÉ and Acorn TV commission second season of Irish Comedy Finding Joy
http://iftn.ie/news/?act1=record&only=1&aid=73&rid=4293087&tpl=archnews&force=1

ShamNNspace · 20-11-2019 7:10pm

I see Terry prone is back on rte on Daithis sofa on the afternoon discussing various happenings around the country.. The Irony of that one earnestly goin on about bullying... Same aul talking heads on rte day in day out nothing new to say. Stale as yesterday's bread

tayto lover · 20-11-2019 7:18pm

ShamNNspace wrote: »

I see Terry prone is back on rte on Daithis sofa on the afternoon discussing various happenings around the country.. The Irony of that one earnestly goin on about bullying... Same aul talking heads on rte day in day out nothing new to say. Stale as yesterday's bread

If it’s not her it’s Mary O’Rourke.
Closed shop RTÉ, cronies and relatives. All at the trough, all well heeled already with pensions.
Should be closed down.

sligojoek · 20-11-2019 7:40pm

RTE supporting the arts.

GMSA · 20-11-2019 7:53pm

sligojoek wrote: »

RTE supporting the arts.

More like the art not supporting RTE. :pac:

RabbleRouser2k · 20-11-2019 9:15pm

tayto lover wrote: »

If it’s not her it’s Mary O’Rourke.
Closed shop RTÉ, cronies and relatives. All at the trough, all well heeled already with pensions.
Should be closed down.

Tbh, Virgin Media 1 aren't exactly putting out anything better. If you tune into Ireland AM in the morning, it's literally 'TV for mammies who can't use the internet'.

A few years ago, it was decent, wake you up easy kind of television with interesting discussion. Now it's 'Let's read out another, boring, vapid text from someone who's probably been up all night with a baby with colic, or teething, and who's barely functioning on 30 minutes of sleep and this text barely makes sense'... ad nauseum.

And then it's discussion of last night's I'm a Celebrity: Get me out of here, in case you missed it because you were doing everything in your power to avoid it.

I'm not looking for amazing television, I just want something that's not crap.

ShamNNspace · 20-11-2019 9:40pm

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Tbh, Virgin Media 1 aren't exactly putting out anything better. If you tune into Ireland AM in the morning, it's literally 'TV for mammies who can't use the internet'.

A few years ago, it was decent, wake you up easy kind of television with interesting discussion. Now it's 'Let's read out another, boring, vapid text from someone who's probably been up all night with a baby with colic, or teething, and who's barely functioning on 30 minutes of sleep and this text barely makes sense'... ad nauseum.

And then it's discussion of last night's I'm a Celebrity: Get me out of here, in case you missed it because you were doing everything in your power to avoid it.

I'm not looking for amazing television, I just want something that's not crap.

It's all become very grey. Anything even mildly controversial is avoided. Anybody who strays from the groupthink is "disappeared" just think myers or waters I'm sure there are many more. One day they are there the next they are banished from the screens never to be seen again

RabbleRouser2k · 20-11-2019 9:59pm

ShamNNspace wrote: »

It's all become very grey. Anything even mildly controversial is avoided. Anybody who strays from the groupthink is "disappeared" just think myers or waters I'm sure there are many more. One day they are there the next they are banished from the screens never to be seen again

Yeah, when Mark Cagney retired, he made a 'brief' mention of Aidan Cooney, thanking him while also not going into details as to why he was let go from the then TV3.
Aidan was a bit of a laugh, but I get the feeling that the sense of cameraderie that used to exist at TV3 (and the debate) was slowly phased out when it became VM1.
Aidan being let go, as well as many other people being let go, probably affected morale at the place.
Probably one of the reasons Mark left.

Now it's TV for just bland, mindless rubbish.

Elmo · 20-11-2019 10:04pm

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Yeah, when Mark Cagney retired, he made a 'brief' mention of Aidan Cooney, thanking him while also not going into details as to why he was let go from the then TV3.
Aidan was a bit of a laugh, but I get the feeling that the sense of cameraderie that used to exist at TV3 (and the debate) was slowly phased out when it became VM1.
Aidan being let go, as well as many other people being let go, probably affected morale at the place.
Probably one of the reasons Mark left.

Now it's TV for just bland, mindless rubbish.

I’d say that Mark Cagney was given a job for the boys, in 1999 he was still relatively well known.

according to him he took a 30% pay cut at one point, if your able to take such a cut your well paid. When he renegotiate TV3 told him he wasn’t need as it’s just a tv breaky show with a small audience not worth his wage, when they can bring in others would for a lot less money. It was grey when he was there and he looked bored after 20 years. IMO

ShamNNspace · 20-11-2019 11:03pm

On tg4 now very interesting programme about tory Island But they dropped the subtitles after the first break.. Very sloppy production and its not the first time

RabbleRouser2k · 20-11-2019 11:59pm

Elmo wrote: »

I’d say that Mark Cagney was given a job for the boys, in 1999 he was still relatively well known.

according to him he took a 30% pay cut at one point, if your able to take such a cut your well paid. When he renegotiate TV3 told him he wasn’t need as it’s just a tv breaky show with a small audience not worth his wage, when they can bring in others would for a lot less money. It was grey when he was there and he looked bored after 20 years. IMO

He'd been in radio for a while, was a buddy of Gerry Ryan's, and Dave Fanning's, to name a few.

He was less green than some of the hosts they have now. Glenda Gilson got a pretty high profile gig because she was Liam Lawlor's niece.
Far better presenters than her out there.
At least Cagney put in the hours.

ShamNNspace wrote: »

On tg4 now very interesting programme about tory Island But they dropped the subtitles after the first break.. Very sloppy production and its not the first time

TG4 often do that-it's crazy how that channel became less professional as time went on, rather than more professional.
Still, I often tune into that more than I tune into RTE 2.
It's bizarre tho-TG4 seems to just show repeats of shows from 40 years ago-in prime time slots.

Very odd.

facehugger99 · 21-11-2019 8:24am

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Tbh, Virgin Media 1 aren't exactly putting out anything better. If you tune into Ireland AM in the morning, it's literally 'TV for mammies who can't use the internet'.

You don't have to pay €160 a year for Virgin

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

I'm not looking for amazing television, I just want something that's not crap.

You are living in a golden age of tv with a myriad of options to access it all.

Wanderer78 · 21-11-2019 8:33am

facehugger99 wrote:

You don't have to pay â‚¬160 a year for Virgin

I seriously doubt you d get Virgin for â‚¬160 a year?

facehugger99 wrote:

You are living in a golden age of tv with a myriad of options to access it all.

Golden age! Fcuking hell, with the majority of it pure ****e

RabbleRouser2k · 21-11-2019 8:59am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

I seriously doubt you d get Virgin for €160 a year?

Golden age! Fcuking hell, with the majority of it pure ****e

It's not a golden age of tv tho-I mean, netflix, amazon, and the other services not available over here(yet) such as Disney +, Hbo Now, etc. Aren't television-they don't even require a TV.
Streaming services aren't television-because they don't operate in the same ways that television used to.

The Golden age of TV was the 70s and 80s. Sometime in the 90s, was when we got 'targeted' tv channels-the likes of Nickelodeon or HBO.
The Golden age of tv has passed, sadly.

Elmo · 21-11-2019 11:26am

facehugger99 wrote: »

You don't have to pay €160 a year for Virgin

Virgin Media Television are part of Ireland 2nd biggest telecommunications company, one of the worlds largest telecommunications companies.

It's not a golden age of tv tho-I mean, netflix, amazon, and the other services not available over here(yet) such as Disney +, Hbo Now, etc. Aren't television-they don't even require a TV.
Streaming services aren't television-because they don't operate in the same ways that television used to.

The Golden age of TV was the 70s and 80s. Sometime in the 90s, was when we got 'targeted' tv channels-the likes of Nickelodeon or HBO.
The Golden age of tv has passed, sadly.

It will still be known as TV a TV series. It's they easy word to describe content. If you want to be padanitic

1970s/1980s the golden era of the mini series and Brit TV (perhaps the early 1990s also)
1990s golden era of Network American TV
2000s golden era of Cable American TV
2010s golden era of streamers of which HBO is a cable broadcaster.

HBO Now is Sky Atlantic, won't be coming in the near future.

You might be thinking of services rather than content.

AndyBoBandy · 21-11-2019 9:16pm

Thursday night prime time and we are being shown 3 year old repeats of the Great British bake off!!

The Late Late Show · 23-11-2019 6:52pm

Another thing I have noticed with the chatshows on RTE is they put the rubbish guests on first and expect people to wait around until the good guest(s) are put on last. People are not going to sit around waiting for a good guest and endure drivel for 3/4s of the show. Ryan Tubridy's show should be about 1 hour to 1.5 hours long tops not nearly 3 hours long. Last night, Trevor McDonald was on (a good guest) but the usual poor fare preceded him. Likewise, when Bobby 'Mr Moonlight' Ryan's son and daughter were on, they too were on last after nearly 2 hours of drivel. RTE are not going to win much viewers if this is how they go on.

Weepsie · 23-11-2019 6:56pm

RabbleRouser2k wrote: »

Tbh, Virgin Media 1 aren't exactly putting out anything better. If you tune into Ireland AM in the morning, it's literally 'TV for mammies who can't use the internet'.

Yeah, but they're doing it at a fraction of the cost

end of the road · 23-11-2019 8:24pm

The Late Late Show wrote: »

Another thing I have noticed with the chatshows on RTE is they put the rubbish guests on first and expect people to wait around until the good guest(s) are put on last. People are not going to sit around waiting for a good guest and endure drivel for 3/4s of the show. Ryan Tubridy's show should be about 1 hour to 1.5 hours long tops not nearly 3 hours long. Last night, Trevor McDonald was on (a good guest) but the usual poor fare preceded him. Likewise, when Bobby 'Mr Moonlight' Ryan's son and daughter were on, they too were on last after nearly 2 hours of drivel. RTE are not going to win much viewers if this is how they go on.

and they are not going to win actual viewership of the show if they put the good guests on first. people will just tune in to watch who they want and tune out after. by leaving the better lot til last, the idea is some will at least wait around. yes many won't but some will.

this is normal standard practice.

The Late Late Show · 23-11-2019 8:34pm

end of the road wrote: »

and they are not going to win actual viewership of the show if they put the good guests on first. people will just tune in to watch who they want and tune out after. by leaving the better lot til last, the idea is some will at least wait around. yes many won't but some will.

this is normal standard practice.

Shorter show with better guests is the answer.

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